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Jakyl25 01/01/21 12:51:29 PM #51:	But for real though the simplest explanation is that they made Sauron fight a war on multiple fronts And if Mordor really is an allegory for WW2 Germany, accidentally or not, we see how that went --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:948989886] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>But for real though the simplest explanation is that they made Sauron fight a war on multiple fronts And if Mordor really is an allegory for WW2 Germany, accidentally or not, we see how that went</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DM_DOKURO 01/01/21 12:51:29 PM #52:	I'd think they just sabotaged Sauron's recruitment and armies. If Sauron took Minas Tirith, there's no last stand, and he and his armies wouldn't be distracted, likely leading to the capture of the hobbits in Mordor --- The death is my life, the strength becomes my weakness, the journey has ended <cite>DM_DOKURO posted [p:948989890] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I'd think they just sabotaged Sauron's recruitment and armies. If Sauron took Minas Tirith, there's no last stand, and he and his armies wouldn't be distracted, likely leading to the capture of the hobbits in Mordor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 01/01/21 12:53:01 PM #53:	How dare you bring up the world allegory anywhere near Lord of the Rings.... --- https://imgur.com/G17qCv1 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:948989931] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>How dare you bring up the world allegory anywhere near Lord of the Rings.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/01/21 12:54:46 PM #54:	GANON1025 posted... How dare you bring up the world allegory anywhere near Lord of the Rings.... Hey I can maybe buy that they werent INTENDED as allegory. This happened to me personally in college when I made a short movie that I didnt even realize was allegorical until someone pointed it out to me and then it was clear as day. But come on. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:948989977] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>GANON1025 posted...</cite> <quote>How dare you bring up the world allegory anywhere near Lord of the Rings.... </quote> Hey I can maybe buy that they werent INTENDED as allegory. This happened to me personally in college when I made a short movie that I didnt even realize was allegorical until someone pointed it out to me and then it was clear as day. But come on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 01/01/21 12:55:18 PM #55:	GANON1025 posted... By the way, f* Tom Bombadil. Best thing the movies did was leave the guy out. blocked --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:948989990] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>GANON1025 posted... </cite> <quote>By the way, f* Tom Bombadil. Best thing the movies did was leave the guy out.</quote> blocked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 01/01/21 12:55:26 PM #56:	But Tolkein Said --- https://imgur.com/G17qCv1 <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:948989994] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>But Tolkein Said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/01/21 12:57:18 PM #57:	I will say that the idea of the Shire being an allegorical England is hilarious English propaganda Just a simple folk who stay out of the rest of the worlds business, yep! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:948990055] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I will say that the idea of the Shire being an allegorical England is hilarious English propaganda Just a simple folk who stay out of the rest of the worlds business, yep!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 01/01/21 1:02:02 PM #58:	also if you want the cliff's notes on Bombadil: -He's just kinda a dude that has immense power but keeps to himself -I don't think Tolkien himself even knew what his whole deal was -The theory I like is that he's one of the Valar (who are one notch higher than Gandalf and Sauron on the kinda god hierarchy) -In the books, he is met early on and gets the hobbits out of some scrapes in his forest, and gives them some stuff. He also completely no-sells the Ring, seeing through the invisibility and putting it on himself with no positive or negative effects. -One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. -I obviously like the dude but have to admit that leaving him out of the movies didn't change much. To you I would describe him as the equivalent of a secret boss that has 0 relevance to the plot and looks like a joke, but could absolutely kick the ass of any character in the game if they wanted to --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:948990183] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>also if you want the cliff's notes on Bombadil: -He's just kinda a dude that has immense power but keeps to himself -I don't think Tolkien himself even knew what his whole deal was -The theory I like is that he's one of the Valar (who are one notch higher than Gandalf and Sauron on the kinda god hierarchy) -In the books, he is met early on and gets the hobbits out of some scrapes in his forest, and gives them some stuff. He also completely no-sells the Ring, seeing through the invisibility and putting it on himself with no positive or negative effects. -One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. -I obviously like the dude but have to admit that leaving him out of the movies didn't change much. To you I would describe him as the equivalent of a secret boss that has 0 relevance to the plot and looks like a joke, but could absolutely kick the ass of any character in the game if they wanted to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 1:02:56 PM #59:	Jakyl25 posted... But for real though the simplest explanation is that they made Sauron fight a war on multiple fronts And if Mordor really is an allegory for WW2 Germany, accidentally or not, we see how that went I can't see how this is "something we will never know about". --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:948990200] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>But for real though the simplest explanation is that they made Sauron fight a war on multiple fronts And if Mordor really is an allegory for WW2 Germany, accidentally or not, we see how that went</quote>I can't see how this is "something we will never know about". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 1:10:45 PM #60:	Tom Bombadil posted... also if you want the cliff's notes on Bombadil: -He's just kinda a dude that has immense power but keeps to himself -I don't think Tolkien himself even knew what his whole deal was -The theory I like is that he's one of the Valar (who are one notch higher than Gandalf and Sauron on the kinda god hierarchy) -In the books, he is met early on and gets the hobbits out of some scrapes in his forest, and gives them some stuff. He also completely no-sells the Ring, seeing through the invisibility and putting it on himself with no positive or negative effects. -One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. -I obviously like the dude but have to admit that leaving him out of the movies didn't change much. To you I would describe him as the equivalent of a secret boss that has 0 relevance to the plot and looks like a joke, but could absolutely kick the ass of any character in the game if they wanted to Come on, dude. He is the True Dark Power. https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:948990401] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil posted... </cite> <quote>also if you want the cliff's notes on Bombadil: -He's just kinda a dude that has immense power but keeps to himself -I don't think Tolkien himself even knew what his whole deal was -The theory I like is that he's one of the Valar (who are one notch higher than Gandalf and Sauron on the kinda god hierarchy) -In the books, he is met early on and gets the hobbits out of some scrapes in his forest, and gives them some stuff. He also completely no-sells the Ring, seeing through the invisibility and putting it on himself with no positive or negative effects. -One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. -I obviously like the dude but have to admit that leaving him out of the movies didn't change much. To you I would describe him as the equivalent of a secret boss that has 0 relevance to the plot and looks like a joke, but could absolutely kick the ass of any character in the game if they wanted to</quote>Come on, dude. He is the True Dark Power. https://km-515.livejournal.com/1042.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 01/01/21 1:14:13 PM #61:	:) --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png Radiant wings as the skies rejoice, arise, and illuminate the morn. <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:948990497] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>:) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/01/21 1:21:14 PM #62:	Tom Bombadil posted... -One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. It was also stated that even if he did hold onto the ring, Sauron would still overrun the rest of the world outside of Bombadils small domain and Bombadil would most likely just remain within it and do nothing. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:948990685] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil posted... </cite> <quote>-One of the ideas the Council had was to let him keep the Ring, and it was shot down not because he couldn't protect it, but because he would probably not understand why that was important, and lose it somewhere. </quote> It was also stated that even if he did hold onto the ring, Sauron would still overrun the rest of the world outside of Bombadils small domain and Bombadil would most likely just remain within it and do nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/01/21 1:26:11 PM #63:	tom bombadil fits the more whimsical tone that part of the book is going for but yeah, it's not a huge deal that he's not in the movie. a cameo (which jackson was planning on filming) could have worked, though. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:948990838] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>tom bombadil fits the more whimsical tone that part of the book is going for but yeah, it's not a huge deal that he's not in the movie. a cameo (which jackson was planning on filming) could have worked, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/01/21 2:12:16 PM #64:	I understand people coming up with theories because it's fun, off the top of my head jar jar is a Sith Theory for an example, but if this dude can no sell the goddamn ring, I feel like that deserves an explanation. What the fuck --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:948992184] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote> I understand people coming up with theories because it's fun, off the top of my head jar jar is a Sith Theory for an example, but if this dude can no sell the goddamn ring, I feel like that deserves an explanation. What the fuck </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heroic Bigpun 01/01/21 2:19:16 PM #65:	Also it's interesting to know that other characters in the book do acknowledge Him and his power. World-building indeed --- pUnny at his phone. Expect tYpos <cite>Heroic Bigpun posted [p:948992407] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Also it's interesting to know that other characters in the book do acknowledge Him and his power. World-building indeed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/01/21 2:19:57 PM #66:	Tolkien was going for an old school mythological style with these stories. Some things just have no explanation. I mean even Elrond and Gandalf are just like, who knows, when it comes to Bombadil. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:948992437] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Tolkien was going for an old school mythological style with these stories. Some things just have no explanation. I mean even Elrond and Gandalf are just like, who knows, when it comes to Bombadil. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GildedFool 01/01/21 3:55:28 PM #67:	Tom Bombadil is a fascinating character and the portion of the book in his forest is the most interminable dross I have ever had the misfortune to read. Absolutely fucking dire. --- https://i.imgtc.com/tP0gkiQ.png <cite>GildedFool posted [p:948995586] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil is a fascinating character and the portion of the book in his forest is the most interminable dross I have ever had the misfortune to read. Absolutely fucking dire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 01/01/21 4:07:04 PM #68:	who would win in a fight between tom bombadil and one punch man? --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:948995930] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>who would win in a fight between tom bombadil and one punch man? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/01/21 5:20:37 PM #69:	I mean the simplest explanation is that hes just some forest spirit outside of the general mythology that Eru allows to exist for funsies --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:948998246] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I mean the simplest explanation is that hes just some forest spirit outside of the general mythology that Eru allows to exist for funsies</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/01/21 5:41:08 PM #70:	Tom Bombadil is one of the most fun characters in Battle for Middle Earth 2. He doesnt actually attack, he just dances and swings around singing his own name like a Pokmon and everything around him gets thrown into the sky like Sauron swinging his giant mace in the first scene of the movie. Its incredible. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:948998749] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil is one of the most fun characters in Battle for Middle Earth 2. He doesnt actually attack, he just dances and swings around singing his own name like a Pokmon and everything around him gets thrown into the sky like Sauron swinging his giant mace in the first scene of the movie. Its incredible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davidponte 01/01/21 5:41:33 PM #71:	Hearing that the Tom Bombadil parts of the books are bad makes me want to go back and give them a chance because I was reasonably enjoying reading the first one up until he was introduced then immediately fell off of it. --- I was the final Undisputed Champion in UCA history, but azuarc was our Guru Champion! <cite>davidponte posted [p:948998766] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Hearing that the Tom Bombadil parts of the books are bad makes me want to go back and give them a chance because I was reasonably enjoying reading the first one up until he was introduced then immediately fell off of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 5:42:59 PM #72:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Tom Bombadil is one of the most fun characters in Battle for Middle Earth 2. He doesnt actually attack, he just dances and swings around singing his own name like a Pokmon and everything around him gets thrown into the sky like Sauron swinging his giant mace in the first scene of the movie. Its incredible. Lol what --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:948998793] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Tom Bombadil is one of the most fun characters in Battle for Middle Earth 2. He doesnt actually attack, he just dances and swings around singing his own name like a Pokmon and everything around him gets thrown into the sky like Sauron swinging his giant mace in the first scene of the movie. Its incredible.</quote>Lol what </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 01/01/21 5:45:20 PM #73:	davidponte posted... Hearing that the Tom Bombadil parts of the books are bad makes me want to go back and give them a chance because I was reasonably enjoying reading the first one up until he was introduced then immediately fell off of it. yeah, it's a lot of filler and isn't particularly interesting it definitely gets better after that --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:948998863] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>davidponte posted... </cite> <quote>Hearing that the Tom Bombadil parts of the books are bad makes me want to go back and give them a chance because I was reasonably enjoying reading the first one up until he was introduced then immediately fell off of it.</quote> yeah, it's a lot of filler and isn't particularly interesting it definitely gets better after that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/01/21 7:09:49 PM #74:	Corrik7 posted... Lol what https://youtu.be/enUgkYN7TFI lol --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:949001447] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Lol what</quote> https://youtu.be/enUgkYN7TFI lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 7:36:42 PM #75:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://youtu.be/enUgkYN7TFI lol Lol who comes up with this shit --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949002205] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/enUgkYN7TFI lol</quote>Lol who comes up with this shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoolCly 01/01/21 8:06:14 PM #76:	Jakyl25 posted... And yes there are plenty of other magical rings it could have been Three rings for the Elven kings under the sky Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone Nine for mortal men doomed to die One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne The Three and some of the Seven are accounted for, Gandalf has one of the Three himself, but as far as Gandalf knew about the rest it could be any of them Until he did more research ummm ackshually Gandalf assumes it's just an unrelated magic ring imbued with power. There were many magical rings created throughout the years with various powers and abilities. The elves were always making magic shit back in the day. If he thought it was any of the 1/3/7/9 rings he would have been mega concerned because it's known the One Ring was designed for corrupting those things. He wasn't suspicious that Bilbo's Ring was related to that business at all until he noticed Bilbo's odd behaviour at the party and set off for research --- The batman villians all seem to be one big joke that batman refuses to laugh at - SantaRPG <cite>CoolCly posted [p:949003062] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>And yes there are plenty of other magical rings it could have been Three rings for the Elven kings under the sky Seven for the Dwarf lords in their halls of stone Nine for mortal men doomed to die One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne The Three and some of the Seven are accounted for, Gandalf has one of the Three himself, but as far as Gandalf knew about the rest it could be any of them Until he did more research</quote> ummm ackshually Gandalf assumes it's just an unrelated magic ring imbued with power. There were many magical rings created throughout the years with various powers and abilities. The elves were always making magic shit back in the day. If he thought it was any of the 1/3/7/9 rings he would have been mega concerned because it's known the One Ring was designed for corrupting those things. He wasn't suspicious that Bilbo's Ring was related to that business at all until he noticed Bilbo's odd behaviour at the party and set off for research </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/01/21 9:52:03 PM #77:	While I have you guys here what was up with the Gandalf The Grey to Gandalf The White transformation? I'm assuming the books elaborate on all of these things --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949006142] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>While I have you guys here what was up with the Gandalf The Grey to Gandalf The White transformation? I'm assuming the books elaborate on all of these things </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 9:53:23 PM #78:	Punnyz posted... While I have you guys here what was up with the Gandalf The Grey to Gandalf The White transformation? I'm assuming the books elaborate on all of these things He was reborn. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949006177] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>While I have you guys here what was up with the Gandalf The Grey to Gandalf The White transformation? I'm assuming the books elaborate on all of these things</quote>He was reborn. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/01/21 10:06:41 PM #79:	I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949006534] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AbsoluteUnit 01/01/21 10:11:12 PM #80:	Punnyz posted... I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? I mean technically you could say this about anything, but in the lore its not just cuz, its specifically because God realized Saruman was no longer the white wizard and brought Gandalf back as the new white wizard to keep Sauron in check. --- Hey man nice shot. Good shot man. <cite>AbsoluteUnit posted [p:949006680] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it?</quote> I mean technically you could say this about anything, but in the lore its not just cuz, its specifically because God realized Saruman was no longer the white wizard and brought Gandalf back as the new white wizard to keep Sauron in check. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/01/21 10:15:22 PM #81:	Punnyz posted... I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? Well, he died. Then he was brought back as a White Wizard which is more powerful. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949006806] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted... </cite> <quote>I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it?</quote>Well, he died. Then he was brought back as a White Wizard which is more powerful. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Crispy 01/01/21 10:53:46 PM #82:	the wizards are basically minor/low level gods already, they just try to avoid using their full powers or meddling in the affairs of mortals as much as possible to avoid falling into temptation and being corrupted by their own power like Saruman. --- The only certain death in the universe is Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons. Not changing this line until I beat Seven Heroes (2/24/07) - Fulfilled 2/20/18 <cite>Mr Crispy posted [p:949007845] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>the wizards are basically minor/low level gods already, they just try to avoid using their full powers or meddling in the affairs of mortals as much as possible to avoid falling into temptation and being corrupted by their own power like Saruman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/02/21 6:52:18 AM #83:	Punnyz posted... I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? I think this one is specifically cited as one of the few instances of direct divine intervention Eru (God) was just like Im sending you back with more power because youre that damn worthy --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949015351] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted...</cite> <quote>I was about to ask "why" but yea, I have the wrong mindset for this series the answer is "just cuz" every time, isn't it? </quote> I think this one is specifically cited as one of the few instances of direct divine intervention Eru (God) was just like Im sending you back with more power because youre that damn worthy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RikkuAlmighty 01/02/21 7:38:57 AM #84:	y'all are some nerds i want in --- https://backloggery.com/cwistofu <cite>RikkuAlmighty posted [p:949015914] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>y'all are some nerds i want in </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 01/02/21 1:46:24 PM #85:	yeah, Saruman gave in to corruption and power Gandalf sacrificed himself for the sake of mortals --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:949023868] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>yeah, Saruman gave in to corruption and power Gandalf sacrificed himself for the sake of mortals </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/02/21 1:48:58 PM #86:	Saruman lost the White and became the of All Colors. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949023957] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Saruman lost the White and became the of All Colors. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 01/02/21 2:34:38 PM #87:	AbsoluteUnit posted... its specifically because God realized Saruman was no longer the white wizard and brought Gandalf back as the new white wizard to keep Sauron in check. Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?" probably now the answer is just cuz --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:949025268] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>AbsoluteUnit posted... </cite> <quote>its specifically because God realized Saruman was no longer the white wizard and brought Gandalf back as the new white wizard to keep Sauron in check.</quote> Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?" probably now the answer is just cuz </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/02/21 2:35:28 PM #88:	God doesnt really care, it was really just out of mad respect for Gandalfs sacrifice --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949025298] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>God doesnt really care, it was really just out of mad respect for Gandalfs sacrifice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/02/21 2:38:43 PM #89:	Also I think Tolkien said that God pushed Gollum into Mount Doom after he bit Frodos finger off which IMO is bullshit --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949025366] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Also I think Tolkien said that God pushed Gollum into Mount Doom after he bit Frodos finger off which IMO is bullshit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/02/21 2:40:28 PM #90:	see, this is why I made this topic, to learn of crazy ass tidbits like that lol --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949025415] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>see, this is why I made this topic, to learn of crazy ass tidbits like that lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 01/02/21 2:48:11 PM #91:	CassandraCain posted... Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?" probably now the answer is just cuz Sauron was basically a fallen angel. Or more specifally melkor was. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:949025620] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite> <quote>Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?" probably now the answer is just cuz</quote>Sauron was basically a fallen angel. Or more specifally melkor was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/02/21 2:51:55 PM #92:	CassandraCain posted... Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?" Perhaps the same could be asked of all religions? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:949025725] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite> <quote>Well then the question becomes "why didn't 'God' keep Sauron in check himself or better yet not create him in the first place?"</quote> Perhaps the same could be asked of all religions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/02/21 2:55:29 PM #93:	also I watched Two Towers already and starting return of the king That blonde chick thats longing for Aragon she walked up to him and said something, I thought she said "my stool" and then fucking Aragon drink that shit (literally?) But then I rewinded it with the caption on and it said "Speaks in Elvish" I was like thank god but anyways,t hats the only thing I can think of to bring up. I surprisingly don't have any other questions at the moment. I sure wish there were some Elvin survivors from the Helm's deep battle though :( --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949025810] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>also I watched Two Towers already and starting return of the king That blonde chick thats longing for Aragon she walked up to him and said something, I thought she said "my stool" and then fucking Aragon drink that shit (literally?) But then I rewinded it with the caption on and it said "Speaks in Elvish" I was like thank god but anyways,t hats the only thing I can think of to bring up. I surprisingly don't have any other questions at the moment. I sure wish there were some Elvin survivors from the Helm's deep battle though :( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/02/21 2:56:43 PM #94:	I will bring up Remember the LOTR ps2 games? Almost everyone I knew played those I missed out I...sorta want to see if I can track them down now --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949025845] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I will bring up Remember the LOTR ps2 games? Almost everyone I knew played those I missed out I...sorta want to see if I can track them down now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 01/02/21 2:58:30 PM #95:	I mean in commenting on the war against Morgoth, which makes the War of the Ring look like a tea party, someone (I think it was another Maia? or maybe the narrator) implied that all the immense suffering and death that came from that conflict was maybe a little justified because a lot of great stories and songs came out of it. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:949025912] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>I mean in commenting on the war against Morgoth, which makes the War of the Ring look like a tea party, someone (I think it was another Maia? or maybe the narrator) implied that all the immense suffering and death that came from that conflict was maybe a little justified because a lot of great stories and songs came out of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punnyz 01/02/21 3:08:02 PM #96:	also good GOD I said Pippin and Merry sucked? FRODO fucking sucks --- https://imgur.com/qBpLe47 https://imgur.com/25MHSn1 <cite>Punnyz posted [p:949026234] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>also good GOD I said Pippin and Merry sucked? FRODO fucking sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Crispy 01/02/21 3:15:05 PM #97:	god more or less killed saruon at the end of the second age. Saruon pretended to be reformed, and gained influence in the human kingdom that's basically Atlantis. He eventually convinced them to try to go attack the elves in the west, and god just wrecked their entire civilization as punishment. (also turned the world into a sphere so that no one could get to the elves in the west again, even the other elves) Saruon lost his physical form in the destruction, and spent most of the third age chilling out trying to regain his strength and build up another army. During the Hobbit, Gandalf kept disappearing because he went off to fight the Necromancer with the other wizards not knowing at the time it was actually Saruon trying to build up another army. also I think there was some pretty direct divine intervention at the end of the first age in finally getting around to killing Morgoth, but I'm pretty rusty on the details. --- The only certain death in the universe is Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons. Not changing this line until I beat Seven Heroes (2/24/07) - Fulfilled 2/20/18 <cite>Mr Crispy posted [p:949026447] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>god more or less killed saruon at the end of the second age. Saruon pretended to be reformed, and gained influence in the human kingdom that's basically Atlantis. He eventually convinced them to try to go attack the elves in the west, and god just wrecked their entire civilization as punishment. (also turned the world into a sphere so that no one could get to the elves in the west again, even the other elves) Saruon lost his physical form in the destruction, and spent most of the third age chilling out trying to regain his strength and build up another army. During the Hobbit, Gandalf kept disappearing because he went off to fight the Necromancer with the other wizards not knowing at the time it was actually Saruon trying to build up another army. also I think there was some pretty direct divine intervention at the end of the first age in finally getting around to killing Morgoth, but I'm pretty rusty on the details. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/02/21 3:15:36 PM #98:	Punnyz posted... I sure wish there were some Elvin survivors from the Helm's deep battle though :( Theres at least one! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949026469] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Punnyz posted...</cite> <quote> I sure wish there were some Elvin survivors from the Helm's deep battle though :(</quote> Theres at least one!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/02/21 3:17:26 PM #99:	redrocket posted... I mean in commenting on the war against Morgoth, which makes the War of the Ring look like a tea party, someone (I think it was another Maia? or maybe the narrator) implied that all the immense suffering and death that came from that conflict was maybe a little justified because a lot of great stories and songs came out of it. The Silmarillion frames all of existence as being music so that makes some level of sense --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:949026533] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>redrocket posted...</cite> <quote>I mean in commenting on the war against Morgoth, which makes the War of the Ring look like a tea party, someone (I think it was another Maia? or maybe the narrator) implied that all the immense suffering and death that came from that conflict was maybe a little justified because a lot of great stories and songs came out of it. </quote> The Silmarillion frames all of existence as being music so that makes some level of sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JonThePenguin 01/02/21 3:26:31 PM #100:	Corrik7 posted... Sauron was basically a fallen angel. Or more specifally melkor was. They both were, with Melkor being of a higher order than Sauron. --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion <cite>JonThePenguin posted [p:949026811] in Hobbit/LOT... [t:79211607]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>Sauron was basically a fallen angel. Or more specifally melkor was.</quote>They both were, with Melkor being of a higher order than Sauron. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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