Current Events > Is this how the police protect society?

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https://youtu.be/zdVgek9JJdI

Taxpayer dollars fund this, lol.

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what are they trying to do?

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without watching the video: cops are the biggest losers society has to offer

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viewmaster_pi posted...

what are they trying to do?

Catch Uber drivers who give cash rides rather than through the app

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monkeysRfunny posted...

Catch Uber drivers who give cash rides rather than through the app

Is this a bad thing? You guys realize theres a reason why stuff is a done certain way right? Theres guidelines, liabilities, and polices in place. Not to mention, the safety aspect of taking a ride with a random person thats not verified

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Is this a bad thing? You guys realize theres a reason why stuff is a done certain way right? Theres guidelines, liabilities, and polices in place. Not to mention, the safety aspect of taking a ride with a random person thats not verified

Wtf do you need undercover cops for that though?

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KStateKing17 posted...

Wtf do you need undercover cops for that though?

I dont disagree with that. Thats why I didnt argue with that lol. I agree thats dumb.

could be a huge problem there maybe thats why they did it I dunno

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Mark_DeRosa posted...

Is this a bad thing? You guys realize theres a reason why stuff is a done certain way right? Theres guidelines, liabilities, and polices in place. Not to mention, the safety aspect of taking a ride with a random person thats not verified

I don't think it's a bad thing since it is illegal, but at the same time I'm not sure they really need undercover officers to go after such minor offenses.

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Its not some mass nefarious scheme that the cops are heroically saving society from.

For people who dont know how this sting works and whats going on here. The undercover police officers are portraying someone whose phone is dead but looking for a ride from someone that works for Uber, Lyft, rideshare, etc. See normally you have to use the app, because it tracks down the rides you give and how much money you make for tax purposes. But since the undercover police officers are acting like their phone is dead, they are looking to pay a driver without using the app, so the driver would make money under the table and not have to pay taxes on it. They are worried about the fucking 6% of taxes someone might skip out on $20 when in reality this sort of emergency might really happen to someones phone that really died and is looking for a ride home with their kids with them.

Its really messed up that the cops are doing this for so many reasons. Is it a legit citation? Sure, but they are the ones making the situation in the first place causing a trap, and its fucking bullshit, this is why we cant have any one help each other out anymore.

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Not every police function has to pertain to nefarious stuff. When they enforce that stuff, youll complain about that. For all you know, it couldve been a one day thing requested from local townships there also dedicated cops to just traffic enforcement ya know

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is this a legit offense though? there's been plenty of times i've had friends drive on a road trip and paid them for gas and other stuff, so why would something like this be illegal?

also seems like they're wasting a ton of money to do something for a few pennies. notice the cop car and an undercover car show up right away, doesn't really look like the two plainclothes signaled via their phone, so maybe a radio or something else? a lot of equipment being used for couch money, all to trap a driver that thinks they're helping someone in need and not looking to cheat the government out of taxes

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KnightofShikari posted...

is this a legit offense though? there's been plenty of times i've had friends drive on a road trip and paid them for gas and other stuff, so why would something like this be illegal?

i guess this stops uber or lyft or whatever from getting their share/being taxed

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i don't understand what uber even has to do with it, actually. if they're random people who didn't use the app, then they're not customers, they're just random people offering someone money to go somewhere, right?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

i don't understand what uber even has to do with it, actually. if they're random people who didn't use the app, then they're not customers, they're just random people offering someone money to go somewhere, right?

Yeah, and if he doesnt ring it up then the guy at the gas station register is just a dude giving me snacks for a few bucks instead of a business being operated so there are no regulations or taxes involved!

Keep on smooth braining.

Theyve got to do something when theyre not shooting innocent people, right?

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Tenlaar posted...

Yeah, and if he doesnt ring it up then the guy at the gas station register is just a dude giving me snacks for a few bucks instead of a business being operated so there are no regulations or taxes involved!

Keep on smooth braining.

what the fuck are you talking about?? if somebody comes up and says "hey, i'll give you 20 bucks (or something) if you take me to the airport" should you be arrested if you do it?

love how this "smooth brain" shit is just an unmoddable way to insult people you don't like, like a crying child

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messed up and the cops probably think theyre so cool and sophisticated for doing these traps too

viewmaster_pi posted...

what the fuck are you talking about?? if somebody comes up and says "hey, i'll give you 20 bucks (or something) if you take me to the airport" should you be arrested if you do it?

love how this "smooth brain" shit is just an unmoddable way to insult people you don't like, like a crying child

A business doesnt stop being a business when you do things off the books. It just becomes fraud.

Tenlaar posted...

A business doesnt stop being a business when you do things off the books. It just becomes fraud.

what's your logic? so.... people who never drove for uber or lyft or whatever can do it? is this dude being paid by the hour by uber? is that even how uber works? can you talk with big boy words instead of wojack insults?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

what's your logic? so.... people who never drove for uber or lyft or whatever can do it? is this dude being paid by the hour by uber? is that even how uber works? can you talk with big boy words instead of wojack insults?

Yes, the rules are different for random people doing things for each other and people operating businesses. I dont even know how you expect me to say this in simpler terms.

Its good that the Uber driver knows about entrapment so the case will be thrown out and the police officers sued

ok, now explain how that applies to someone who isn't taking a rider request from the uber app. if i'm wrong and this guy's "on the clock" so to speak, then by all means, i'm listening if you can communicate it in a way that isn't riddled with condescending diatribe for once

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Kingbuffet posted...

Its good that the Uber driver knows about entrapment so the case will be thrown out and the police officers sued

You obviously dont know what entrapment is yourself.

Tenlaar posted...

You obviously dont know what entrapment is yourself.

shut up @boy

Kingbuffet posted...

shut up @boy

Please educate yourself on the subject if you want to talk about it. This is not entrapment.

Entrapment is a practice in which a law enforcement agent or agent of the state induces a person to commit a "crime" that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.

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Opportunity is not entrapment. Thats why sting operations are legal.

don't fucking duck me, @Tenlaar , if you think you're the smartest guy in the room and everyone else is a "smooth brain," then let's see it. do you uber people or something? don't break my heart and tell me you're talking out of your ass just to be an enlightened contrarian

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viewmaster_pi posted...

don't fucking duck me, @Tenlaar , if you think you're the smartest guy in the room and everyone else is a "smooth brain," then let's see it. do you uber people or something? don't break my heart and tell me you're talking out of your ass just to be an enlightened contrarian

Youre trying to argue that businesses stop being businesses if people do things off the books. Not interested.

Uber/Lyft drivers can just turn the app off at anytime they wish and do whatever they want. I was doing this stuff before the pandemic hit. People sometimes tip in cash as well. I don't believe there is any sort of rule preventing ride share drivers from turning the app off and giving a stranger a ride for cash.

But yeah these cops need to go after real crimes. They're just wasting time here. Sting operations and entrapment should be reserved for really dangerous crimes like sex trafficking and stuff like that. This is about as petty as you can get.

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He would've been arrested for obstructing official business where I live.

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Tenlaar posted...

Youre trying to argue that businesses stop being businesses if people do things off the books. Not interested.

The big difference here is ride share drivers own the property being used to make money. Convenience store workers own absolutely nothing in that store.

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Tenlaar posted...

Youre trying to argue that businesses stop being businesses if people do things off the books. Not interested.

Psst.

C'mere... Closer...
Closer... I got a secret for you~

You're full of shit.

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Its not just opportunity though, because the cops directly call them and ask them to commit a crime. Which btw, we havent actually yet established that it is a crime. Its pretty funny that you still havent managed to acknowledge the answer to the question viewmaster implicated the fact that these drivers work on commission.

Leave it to you to think this is a good thing for the community, lmao. Because, as most people who saw the way I framed my OP realized, thats what we are discussing here not Tenlaars personal interpretation of the law.

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TommyG663513 posted...

The big difference here is ride share drivers own the property being used to make money. Convenience store workers own absolutely nothing in that store.

Fine, compare it to a limo driver who is selling his services but not reporting it. Whatever. The point is that its a business being operated off the books.

Shablagoo posted...

Its not just opportunity though, because the cops directly call them and ask them to commit a crime. Which btw, we havent actually yet established that it is a crime. Its pretty funny that you still havent managed to acknowledge the answer to the question viewmaster implicated the fact that these drivers work on commission.

Leave it to you to think this is a good thing for the community, lmao. Because, as most people who saw the way I framed my OP realized, thats what we are discussing here not Tenlaars personal interpretation of the law.

Walking up to a drug dealer on a street corner and saying Im looking to buy some drugs isnt entrapment either. Presenting an opportunity is not entrapment, period. Leave it to you to pretend you know what the law is when youre just talking about how you want things to work in your fantasy world.

Tenlaar posted...

Fine, compare it to a limo driver who is selling his services but not reporting it. Whatever. The point is that its a business being operated off the books.

Someone's personal car vs. a limo that's likely a dedicated fleet car.

Maybe the only angle I see here is an Uber driver may be already writing off their personal car as a business expense (if possible in that context), but rideshare businesses are pretty much a mercenary framework. Literally makes more sense to compare an uber driver to boba fett. Has the freedom to do whatever he pleases with his vehicle.

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Tenlaar posted...

Fine, compare it to a limo driver who is selling his services but not reporting it. Whatever. The point is that its a business being operated off the books.

Ride share drivers can turn the app off in a seconds notice and they aren't on the clock. I've had random people at gas stations ask me for a ride and offered cash. I've had co-workers offer me cash for a ride home. Can you explain why being a ride share driver means you can never ever give a ride off the books for cash and why a non ride share driver can?

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KaZooo posted...

Someone's personal car vs. a limo that's likely a dedicated fleet car.

Maybe the only angle I see here is an Uber driver may be already writing off their personal car as a business expense (if possible in that context), but rideshare businesses are pretty much a mercenary framework. Literally makes more sense to compare an uber driver to boba fett. Has the freedom to do whatever he pleases with his vehicle.

There are private limo operators. I feel like youre intentionally avoiding the point to make an asinine argument. You cant operate an off the books business, which is whats happening in this situation.

Tenlaar really loves the taste of boots, I see.

What I just saw in this video is laughable. These officers are being paid to hassle people on the low rung about offering a ride to strangers in need off the books. Is that a tax dodge? Sure. Is it done outside of regulations and policies? Sure. Is it important enough to involve the men and women of law enforcement? No. Crime is too bad in this country for us to have man hours to devote to something petty like this. They're using American tax dollars to harass working-class American citizens.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Ride share drivers can turn the app off in a seconds notice and they aren't on the clock. I've had random people at gas stations ask me for a ride and offered cash. I've had co-workers offer me cash for a ride home. Can you explain why being a ride share driver means you can never ever give a ride off the books for cash and why a non ride share driver can?

Youre comparing somebody turning their driver app off when somebody asks them to give an off the books ride to somebody giving a coworker a ride home. Just stop.

So then the right thing to do is refuse to do it, and tell them to set it up using the app, or... just drive off and give them the middle finger the whole way?

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Tenlaar posted...

Walking up to a drug dealer on a street corner and saying Im looking to buy some drugs isnt entrapment either. Presenting an opportunity is not entrapment, period. Leave it to you to pretend you know what the law is when youre just talking about how you want things to work in your fantasy world.

then cite the law if you're so sure that the police are in the right

let's say i'm flying home, and the passenger next to me is friendly. he lives just a few blocks away from me, and my car is in the airport parking lot. since we're sorta friends, he offers to pay me some gas money in exchange for driving him home, it's cheaper for him than getting a taxi or uber, so it should be fine, right? what is your opinion?

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viewmaster_pi posted...

So then the right thing to do is refuse to do it, and tell them to set it up using the app, or... just drive off and give them the middle finger the whole way?

Using the app isn't an option for them in this scenario. One has a flip-phone and the other's phone is dead. Your only legal option is to leave them stranded in this scenario. If you help them, you're a filthy criminal.

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"Boot licking" has become the new "yikes" on ce board when someone has no input to a poster that fully explains their post. They immediately jump to those two words to attempt discrediting any validation of that poster.

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AzureAnihilator posted...

Tenlaar really loves the taste of boots, I see.

What I just saw in this video is laughable. These officers are being paid to hassle people on the low rung about offering a ride to strangers in need off the books. Is that a tax dodge? Sure. Is it done outside of regulations and policies? Sure. Is it important enough to involve the men and women of law enforcement? No. Crime is too bad in this country for us to have man hours to devote to something petty like this. They're using American tax dollars to harass working-class American citizens.

Its not important enough to do anything about is a different argument than anything Im talking about. That could be true, though I imagine that its at least revenue neutral but likely revenue positive considering how quickly they seemed to get multiple drivers so the argument comes down to more of an I just dont think minor crimes should be policed which is hard for me to agree with.

KnightofShikari posted...

then cite the law if you're so sure that the police are in the right

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements

Inducement is the threshold issue in the entrapment defense. Mere solicitation to commit a crime is not inducement. Sorrells v. United States, 287 U.S. 435, 451 (1932).

Tenlaar posted...

Youre comparing somebody turning their driver app off when somebody asks them to give an off the books ride to somebody giving a coworker a ride home. Just stop.

You can quite clearly do whatever you want when you are a ride share driver. Have you been a ride share driver, because I have. It doesn't work like a normal job and you seem to struggle with understanding this.

This is clearly something that you can do.

In the example of giving a coworker a ride home, I've done exactly that when my plan was to do ride share driving immediately after I got off my regular job. Instead, I give the coworker a ride home first for cash then I turned ride share on and started working.

So can you explain to me how I can't use my own property to make money?

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Tenlaar posted...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements

that says nothing about ride sharing, nice attempt to dodge everything though

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KnightofShikari posted...

that says nothing about ride sharing, nice attempt to dodge everything though

You quoted me talking about what entrapment is. If thats not what youre trying to talk about then I guess fuck off?