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Tenlaar posted...

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements

Sweet so can you define the difference between solicitation and inducement?

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TommyG663513 posted...

You can quite clearly do whatever you want when you are a ride share driver. Have you been a ride share driver, because I have. It doesn't work like a normal job and you seem to struggle with understanding this.

This is clearly something that you can do.

In the example of giving a coworker a ride home, I've done exactly that when my plan was to do ride share driving immediately after I got off my regular job. Instead, I give the coworker a ride home first for cash then I turned ride share on and started working.

So can you explain to me how I can't use my own property to make money?

Hes not going to give you a proper answer

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Tenlaar posted...

You quoted me talking about what entrapment is. If thats not what youre trying to talk about then I guess fuck off?

i was asking which law the police were attempting to cite the individual on. i guess you can't comprehend what i was talking about. still dodging the airport ride example i posted

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Twin3Turbo posted...

Hes not going to give you a proper answer

Im not interested in entertaining every but what about this other different situation post.

ShineboxPhil posted...

"Boot licking" has become the new "yikes" on ce board when someone has no input to a poster that fully explains their post. They immediately jump to those two words to attempt discrediting any validation of that poster.

Boot licker and yikes are both appropriate responses to anyone who would so willfully set morals aside to be right with the law.

Tenlaar posted...

Its not important enough to do anything about is a different argument than anything Im talking about. That could be true, though I imagine that its at least revenue neutral but likely revenue positive considering how quickly they seemed to get multiple drivers so the argument comes down to more of an I just dont think minor crimes should be policed which is hard for me to agree with.

The only line in my post that pertained to you was the line about you being a boot-licker, but since you can't help but to chime in, let's look at your argument a little closer. Nowhere in my post did I say minor crimes shouldn't be policed. If you can't even form an argument without pulling strawman or just outright lying about the perspective of the people you're talking to, you're wasting everyone's time. That said, obviously minor crimes should be policed. Doing so is a deterrent to minor crimes. Obviously the importance of that can't be overstated. All that holds some people back from committing those crimes is the fear of retribution.

But this scenario is different. Here, you have a working class citizen presented with a scenario where attempting to do good by their fellow man makes them a criminal. Keep in mind, in this scenario, the driver that pulls over is random. This could be someone that does things the correct way 99.9% of the time, and pulled over with good will wanting to help someone in a rough spot. The situation established by the officers (no way to access the app to help them legally) leaves them with two options. Leave those people hanging and drive away, or offer to help them off-the-books, the morally correct thing to do. Yes, it IS a crime. Is it such a serious situation that we have to involve law enforcement undercover? Does it necessitate an investigation or sting operation?

It would be different if these were drivers that uber or Lyft had investigated and found to be doing something malicious, such as driving to a pickup location, then cancelling the pickup and offering the person a ride off-the-books to deliberately cut off the rideshare company and avoid paying taxes. But they aren't. They're just presumably good citizens being tricked so the dept can wring them for cash.

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Tenlaar posted...

Im not interested in entertaining every but what about this other different situation post.

then leave with your tail between your legs

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KnightofShikari posted...

i was asking which law the police were attempting to cite the individual on. i guess you can't comprehend what i was talking about. still dodging the airport ride example i posted

I dont know what the laws in that area are. If youre arguing that the police are citing them with nonexistent laws then whatever, argue away.

Since you just cant help but chime in from a guy who put my name in his post. You guys are a trip.

I accept your concession. You can get back to polishing those boots now.

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Tenlaar posted...

Im not interested in entertaining every but what about this other different situation post.

He was arguing the exact point you were making though

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Tenlaar posted...

Im not interested in entertaining every but what about this other different situation post.

but before you were comparing the situation to a worker not ringing up an item, interesting how it suddenly switches when it's not going your way

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Tenlaar posted...

Im not interested in entertaining every but what about this other different situation post.

Dude, you clearly haven't worked ride share and are talking out your ass while I have worked ride share and know what I'm talking about.

I could sort of understand if someone had lyft and Uber decals on their car along with a sign that said "also offer cash rides off the books," but that is also massively impractical. Maybe performing five off the books rides per year isn't some huge crime. Uber and Lyft do not own you.

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I wish society acted in a way that we wouldn't need law enforcement.

I wonder how these cops feel deep down about being lapdogs for the taxi companies
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The real problem here is that it's not illegal to take cash payment for a job. The guy only commits a crime if he doesn't report it to the IRS come tax season.

Without seeing the video I assume they're taking action well before the guy filed his taxes.

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Im not surprised but its real funny to see someone flailing to defend this.

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cops acting as enforcers for the whims of a billion dollar corporation? what that's crazy no way

plus everyone knows if something is illegal that means it's bad, duh

KnightofShikari posted...

but before you were comparing the situation to a worker not ringing up an item, interesting how it suddenly switches when it's not going your way

The point was, and remains, that operating a business off the books doesn't isn't magically not operating a business. Everybody else tried to counter that simple statement with "but what about when I give my coworker a ride home from work?" bullshit. I don't really care if you guys want to crow like you've accomplished something here, you're just making bad points and pretending the law says what you want it to say instead of what it does.

Tenlaar posted...

The point was, and remains, that operating a business off the books doesn't isn't magically not operating a business. Everybody else tried to counter that simple statement with "but what about when I give my coworker a ride home from work?" bullshit. I don't really care if you guys want to crow like you've accomplished something here, you're just making bad points and pretending the law says what you want it to say instead of what it does.

But did the driver make his intent to not file taxes on this cash income known on record to these undercover officers?

Like I said before, just taking cash for a job isn't against the law.

Is it probable the guy wouldn't keep track of the cash and forget to file taxes on it (or maybe intentionally not file taxes on it)? Yes. But that doesn't mean regular police have the right to arrest someone over that possibility.

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Tenlaar posted...

The point was, and remains, that operating a business off the books doesn't isn't magically not operating a business. Everybody else tried to counter that simple statement with "but what about when I give my coworker a ride home from work?" bullshit. I don't really care if you guys want to crow like you've accomplished something here, you're just making bad points and pretending the law says what you want it to say instead of what it does.

So what does the law say?

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Even darkprince thinks this is dumb and yet tenlaar wont stop making nonsensical arguments

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Tenlaar usually reflexively defends the police. I'm not sure if it's a bit or if he's genuine

lol

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PoundGarden posted...

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