Current Events > Why is it ok to believe in aliens but not believe in a god??

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It's funny how scientists consider completely wild speculations based on the existence of aliens as true as "theories" and sometimes even the existence of aliens as facts, but anything in the speculations based on existence of a deity like intelligent design considered pseudoscience or merely 'arguments'.

Theories like panspermia, wild zoo (aliens spying on us) and multiverses are utter BS in the same realms as scientists would love to call religion 'fiction' yet they dont.

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I think its because aliens by nature would still exist in the material world as opposed to the intangible nature of a deity

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Extraterrestrial life is believed to exist simply due to the fact that we ourselves exists, and given the absolute vastness of the Universe, there's a near-0% chance that we are the only life in the Universe.

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most of the time scientists say just say that intelligent alien life could exist. where are you finding that many scientists are taking that as a fact?

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God is not some guy telling you to read a book. God is an alien.

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Believing that aliens are somewhere out there in the massive universe is simple statistics.

Believing that intelligent aliens have visited Earth, let alone guided humanity, is just as ridiculous as believing in religion.

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Most scientists don't adhere to believe aliens visited Earth they say it's a rare mathematical possibility but statistically probably lightyears away from planet Earth. Whereas God is a product of fiction

Try_Another___ posted...

I think its because aliens by nature would still exist in the material world as opposed to the intangible nature of a deity

Solar_Crimson posted...

Extraterrestrial life is believed to exist simply due to the fact that we ourselves exists, and given the absolute vastness of the Universe, there's a near-0% chance that we are the only life in the Universe.

I find this argument weird in that it is basically trying to elevate anecdotal evidence into scientific fact.

You don't meet 1 person of an ethnicity and assume everyone of that ethinicity is like that one person.
But apparently 1 planet with life means we can assume there are a bunch more out there just like it.
Or said in a better way, if we find water, we find life. That is a bias.

I mean, if you wanna believe in a magic sky deity that's your choice.

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Its not OK to believe in God? A good number of people in the world believe in some deity.

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Mackorov posted...

It's funny how scientists consider completely wild speculations based on the existence of aliens as true as "theories" and sometimes even the existence of aliens as facts, but anything in the speculations based on existence of a deity like intelligent design considered pseudoscience or merely 'arguments'.

Theories like panspermia, wild zoo (aliens spying on us) and multiverses are utter BS in the same realms as scientists would love to call religion 'fiction' yet they dont.

You don't understand what scientific theory is.

Shut up


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Aliens work within science and logic. They are just living beings in the material world like us, but on another planet

Gods are in the supernatural realm and defies what we know about science

WingsOfGood posted...

I find this argument weird in that it is basically trying to elevate anecdotal evidence into scientific fact.

Yeah, I agree. Sure, there are scientists who believe there probably are aliens out there... somewhere, but I doubt many are saying that because humans are somehow proof of extraterrestrial life. Thats not scientific at all.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Extraterrestrial life is believed to exist simply due to the fact that we ourselves exists, and given the absolute vastness of the Universe, there's a near-0% chance that we are the only life in the Universe.

Ever heard of the Fermi Paradox?

Zikten posted...

Aliens work within science and logic. They are just living beings in the material world like us, but on another planet

Gods are in the supernatural realm and defies what we know about science

Except we have zero proof whatsoever of the existence of aliens. The very concept of aliens is human-conceived. Because it is based on the very premise that planets THEMSELVES give birth to life, and not some third party entity or deity.

Mackorov posted...

Except we have zero proof whatsoever of the existence of aliens. The very concept of aliens is human-conceived. Because it is based on the very premise that planets THEMSELVES give birth to life, and not some third party entity or deity.

This would be abiogenesis, based on even more shaky grounds

Mackorov posted...

Ever heard of the Fermi Paradox?

Yeah I played that DLC in Mass Effect 2

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Because one is a sky wizard

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WingsOfGood posted...

I find this argument weird in that it is basically trying to elevate anecdotal evidence into scientific fact.

You don't meet 1 person of an ethnicity and assume everyone of that ethinicity is like that one person.
But apparently 1 planet with life means we can assume there are a bunch more out there just like it.
Or said in a better way, if we find water, we find life. That is a bias.

finally someone got it right. We have zero trace or any evidence whatsoever of actual alien existence now or throughout history.

All we have is the flimsy basis we somehow are made to believe in that:

1. Abiogenesis is true and life forms out of inorganic matter given the right circumstances.

2. There is no divine intervention or from that of any pre-existing intellectual being whatsoever.

3. 'Alien' life forms based on the same assumptions we have set out on how life on Earth forms. Aliens could exist out of some other ways that breaks the laws of physics as we know it but that would mean scientists disregarding their very own studies

Lastly there is the strongest evidence actually, of aliens not existing. See Fermi Paradox. Literally almost all alien theories out there have been by scientists just trying to explain the Fermi Paradox to begin with. And so far there is no one theory that is universally accepted on.

Touch posted...

Yeah I played that DLC in Mass Effect 2

come back here once you know about it.

how inflated does your ego need to be to think there aren't any living creatures in an endless universe.

The little man who takes a shit every day and dies after 80 years and doesn't contribute anything to the planet thinks he is the most special creature in the universe? Really?

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

how inflated does your ego need to be to think there aren't any living creatures in an endless universe.

The little man who takes a shit every day and dies after 80 years and doesn't contribute anything to the planet thinks he is the most special creature in the universe? Really?

That sounds an awful alot like a religious argument.

How inflated is your ego to think the highest form of being in such a vast universe is a man or something that resembles a man (an alien).

Basically, apply rapid evolution to the form of a man and you can actually draw from that a god. A being connected to super high tech that allows it transfer data from thousands of cameras instantly into its brain, teleport, etc.
It can even terraform planets and create life.

But, despite all that, neither fantasy is scientific. Let us find some life on another planet before you consider alien life as fact please.
Same with teleportation. We almost got that maybe, let us not be too hasty.

That there's life on at least one of the trillions of yet undiscovered planets in the immeasurable vastness of space is more plausible than an immortal and eternal sky dude having created the entire universe with humanity on Earth as its crown jewel because hey um we are so vain lol.

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Thompson posted...

That there's life on at least one of the trillions of yet undiscovered planets in the immeasurable vastness of space is more plausible than an immortal and eternal sky dude having created the entire universe with humanity on Earth as its crown jewel because hey um we are so vain lol.

More plausible =/= it is a scientific thought.

Example: a regular unicorn, just a horse with a rhino-like horn is more plausible than a mermaid

But does that mean I should pretend it is factual or based on fact? No.

Mackorov posted...

Except we have zero proof whatsoever of the existence of aliens. The very concept of aliens is human-conceived. Because it is based on the very premise that planets THEMSELVES give birth to life, and not some third party entity or deity.

We don't have proof. But we know at least one planet sprung life. So it could happen again. We have no proof of gods existing anywhere in rhe universe. At least with biological life we know there is at least planet with it. So its been proven to have a precedent

The internet is chock full of people responding to arguments they made up themselves

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Mackorov posted...

Except we have zero proof whatsoever of the existence of aliens. The very concept of aliens is human-conceived. Because it is based on the very premise that planets THEMSELVES give birth to life, and not some third party entity or deity.

dude, life isn't just "humanoids"

we have literal proof of life on other planets. they aren't as intelligent as us, but the fact that life is out there is almost a given since our solar system is like .001% of this entire universe.

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One is science and one is fantasy. Our planet orbits one star, in a universe full of billions upon billions of stars. The consideration that we are the only thing alive in this universe is illogical. There is no chance that all of this exists for us, and only us.

On the other hand, there is a magical, impossible realm in the clouds controlled by an invisible deity that apparently can take the time to follow our morality for all of our existence, millions of us at a time, to judge where a non-existent thing in our body goes called a soul, but sits back while there is murder, rape, genocide, and extreme hatred ongoing. This deity allows the holocaust, the plague, school shootings occur as a "challenge" to make sure we continue to believe and pray to a "loving and peaceful" God. He/she in fact, loves us SO much that we need to suffer during our physical existence, worship him for allowing our existence to be shit, so when we die, we may or may not find peace under thousands of strict rules that we are supposed to follow.

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WingsOfGood posted...

You don't meet 1 person of an ethnicity and assume everyone of that ethinicity is like that one person.

No, you wouldn't. And scientists don't. The problem is that you're equating things that aren't on the same level.

The "alien" version of your suggestion would be "If you meet 1 life form, then you assume all life forms are like that one life form." And no scientist I've ever heard has suggested that.

A better way to put it would be "If you meet 1 person with a particular trait, then it's safe to assume that there is probably another person out there somewhere who also has that trait." And it would equate to the statement "If you meet 1 being that is alive, then it's safe to assume there are other beings out there that are also alive." They don't have to be the same kind of life. They just share the trait of being alive.

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The real thought provoking question is, would we even know the difference between God and a highly developed alien?

Like, if we saw an alien that had the power to move stars. Wouldn't most people look at that and think that is the power of a God? Yet we have actually theorized how it could be done through science...

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sigh...I see no one here has read Fermi's Paradox.

metralo posted...

dude, life isn't just "humanoids"

we have literal proof of life on other planets. they aren't as intelligent as us, but the fact that life is out there is almost a given since our solar system is like .001% of this entire universe.

no, no there isnt dude. There is not ONE single shred of evidence or even indication of evidence whatsoever throughout history till now, nor communication signals we've ever had with any form of extraterrestial. There isnt even a single microorganism in planets we've studied like Mars. Basically everywhere we"ve looked, life is completely barren in anywhere but Earth.

Also before you start that same old 'b-but there's trillions of planets out there!', please go read Fermi's Paradox

Mackorov posted...

sigh...I see no one here has read Fermi's Paradox.

That is a pretty short sighted argument. Assuming there are alien species around the same development as we are, we cannot pinpoint specifics of some of the planets in our own solar system, nevermind halfway across the known universe. Hell we haven't even seen everything our own planet has to offer.

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Mackorov posted...

no, no there isnt dude. There is not ONE single shred of evidence or even indication of evidence whatsoever throughout history till now, nor communication signals we've ever had with any form of extraterrestial. There isnt even a single microorganism in planets we've studied like Mars. Basically everywhere we"ve looked, life is completely barren in anywhere but Earth.

Also before you start that same old 'b-but there's trillions of planets out there!', please go read Fermi's Paradox

We have literally looked in like 5 places out of 500,000,000,000 to our capability

How the hell do you look at those odds, throw your hands up and say "Well, we're done here?"

Meanwhile thousands of years and thousands of religions and nothing has come up either, but we are supposed to say "Yes, this is real. I believe"

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Mackorov posted...

no, no there isnt dude. There is not ONE single shred of evidence or even indication of evidence whatsoever throughout history till now, nor communication signals we've ever had with any form of extraterrestial. There isnt even a single microorganism in planets we've studied like Mars. Basically everywhere we"ve looked, life is completely barren in anywhere but Earth.

Also before you start that same old 'b-but there's trillions of planets out there!', please go read Fermi's Paradox

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you are aware they have discovered microorganisms on planets right? this is literally life.

just shut the fuck up dude. god isn't real. cope with you never seeing your dead loved ones again now. we all go into blank when we die.

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Mackorov posted...

Theories like panspermia, wild zoo (aliens spying on us) and multiverses are utter BS in the same realms as scientists would love to call religion 'fiction' yet they dont.

Why do you believe multiverse theory is BS?

metralo posted...

you are aware they have discovered microorganisms on planets right?

you got a source for that?

ive been skimming Google results and not finding anything about this >_>


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metralo posted...

just shut the f*** up dude. god isn't real. cope with you never seeing your dead loved ones again now. we all go into blank when we die.

Its like you almost believe God is real :D

I'm fine with God, it's his fan club I can't stand.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

On the other hand, there is a magical, impossible realm in the clouds controlled by an invisible deity that apparently can take the time to follow our morality for all of our existence, millions of us at a time, to judge where a non-existent thing in our body goes called a soul, but sits back while there is murder, rape, genocide, and extreme hatred ongoing. This deity allows the holocaust, the plague, school shootings occur as a "challenge" to make sure we continue to believe and pray to a "loving and peaceful" God. He/she in fact, loves us SO much that we need to suffer during our physical existence, worship him for allowing our existence to be s***, so when we die, we may or may not find peace under thousands of strict rules that we are supposed to follow.

Sounds like you and Randy Newman think alike.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0TvfqmWf4M

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there are actual scientists with actual credibility that believe in aliens? like, all the dumb theories and not just "the world is big and life elsewhere might possibly exist"

Believe whatever you want just don't harm anyone or anything

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The "scientific" position isn't that life, let alone intelligent life definitely exist. The "scientific" position is in making statements about the likelihood or probability on the existence of alien life given actual data we know and can study about the existence of life, the conditions that support, and what we can observe and study from the known universe. It's the exact same reasoning we apply when making predictions about the weather. It is not remotely the same claims the religious make about a positive belief in the existence of god that have no factual basis in phenomena that can be repeatedly studied

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Probably the histrionically atheist left's fault.

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metralo posted...

you are aware they have discovered microorganisms on planets right? this is literally life.

"They" have not discovered microorganisms on other planets. It would serve you well to at least skim the wikipedia entry for extraterrestrial life before you say things like this

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I though there was a group of "theories" on how the earth got to be the where intelligent life could be which basically say God or something like God or luck?

It's obviously God tbh

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What if aliens believe in Gods?

FrankJaegr posted...

What if aliens believe in Gods?

If they are anything like us they probably do. Or used to. I think there are likely all kinds of civilizations out there at different levels. I'd be interested to know the current religious opinions of the ones who have surpassed us in tech though