Current Events > AOC on Amazon jobs: A job that leaves you homeless and on food stamps is a scam.

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https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1340013942316429315



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isn't 15/hr the minimum wage for hourly workers at amazon

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Literally the perfect woman.

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it's weird seeing 3rd world job conditions/wages in 1st world countries

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TheMikh posted...

isn't 15/hr the minimum wage for hourly workers at amazon

The bigger question we should be asking, is why $31200 isn't a livable wage.

TheMikh posted...

isn't 15/hr the minimum wage for hourly workers at amazon

They might only get part time hours which would qualify them for food stamps if they dont make enough

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Pretty sure amazon pays more than most small businesses, not that I would rather work for amazon... but she isnt really making a good point here.

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Stop making them work with piss jars and inadequate AC systems

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The leader of the business is a trillionaire and the worker bees can barely afford to pay rent. Thats the issue if you can barely pay your rent, then how can you save to buy your own house? How can you save for retirement?

Alteres posted...

Pretty sure amazon pays more than most small businesses, not that I would rather work for amazon... but she isnt really making a good point here.

I imagine it benefits her to make Amazon jobs look as terrible as possible given that she fought hard to prevent that Amazon HQ from opening in her district that would have brought with it a ton of jobs and an influx of tax revenue.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The bigger question we should be asking, is why $31200 isn't a livable wage.

oh, absolutely. the cost of living is inflated beyond reason.

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Alteres posted...

Pretty sure amazon pays more than most small businesses, not that I would rather work for amazon... but she isnt really making a good point here.

Doesn't matter if they pay well if they don't give enough hours for you to survive on. Or that living expenses are just so much that even a decent wage isn't enough to pay your bills.

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s0nicfan posted...

I imagine it benefits her to make Amazon jobs look as terrible as possible given that she fought hard to prevent that Amazon HQ from opening in her district that would have brought with it a ton of jobs and an influx of tax revenue.

You don't know what you're talking about. AOC was opposed to a bad deal with Amazon that involved tax breaks for a company that already barely pays any taxes.

And you don't need Amazon to create jobs. Public works programs can create plenty of good paying jobs while simultaneously rejuvenating decaying communities and crumbling infrastructure.

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wiiking96 posted...

You don't know what you're talking about. AOC was opposed to a bad deal with Amazon that involved tax breaks for a company that already barely pays any taxes.

And you don't need Amazon to create jobs. Public works programs can create plenty of good paying jobs while simultaneously rejuvenating decaying communities and crumbling infrastructure.

Okay, well ping me when AOC has managed to create enough public works jobs in her district to offset the number of jobs that Amazon would have brought.

The fact that she opposed Amazon cutting a deal with the city doesn't change the fact that those jobs went elsewhere. I'm sure all the people in her district that can't find work really appreciate her standing up to her principles.

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But I thought we want to put the homeless to work lol

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Alteres posted...

Pretty sure amazon pays more than most small businesses, not that I would rather work for amazon... but she isnt really making a good point here.

How is being on food stamps and/or homeless whilst having a job not a scam? Can you explain how it isn't a good point?

You appear to have done a "whatabout", ignored her point and then made up another one in your head.

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s0nicfan posted...

Okay, well ping me when AOC has managed to create enough public works jobs in her district to offset the number of jobs that Amazon would have brought.

Why is it on her to offset that? She wasn't taking something away from people that already existed. You don't know if Amazon would have gone there anyway or that she singlehandedly turned them away. By that logic I guess she gets credit for every new job in her district too?

Also a better measure than "jobs", because as she said a ton of jobs are shit and barely help, would be if her district reduces the number of people who are homeless and on food stamps, but even then, there's only so much she can do about that in her position

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just makes me hopeless for our future when there are many people who see nothing wrong with an almost 2 trillion dollar company that won't pay their workers enough so they aren't homeless

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dud posted...

Why is it on her to offset that? She wasn't taking something away from people that already existed. You don't know if Amazon would have gone there anyway or that she singlehandedly turned them away. By that logic I guess she gets credit for every new job in her district too?

Also a better measure than "jobs", because as she said a ton of jobs are shit and barely help, would be if her district reduces the number of people who are homeless and on food stamps, but even then, there's only so much she can do about that in her position

It's literally her job to represent the interests of her district. The Amazon HQ was going to bring with it 25,000 jobs. How is lobbying against that in the interest of her district?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/new-york-will-lose-the-bulk-of-the-25000-jobs-that-were-promised-by-amazon-hq2.html

The loss of most of the new jobs is a major setback for New York as Amazon's new headquarters and its additional workforce were expected to further accelerate the city's economic growth, especially in certain sectors like technology and advertising. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo previously said the deal would bring in approximately $27 billion in revenue in exchange for the roughly $3 billion incentive package.

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Wow, cool, 27 billion dollars! I didn't know Amazon made so much money! Here all this time I thought they treated their employees like dogshit simply because they were barely scraping by

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HBKick18 posted...

just makes me hopeless for our future when there are many people who see nothing wrong with an almost 2 trillion dollar company that won't pay their workers enough so they aren't homeless

Here, Ill list all the things stopping any of those employees from quitting and getting a different job if they are unhappy with their current employment:

1.

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Actually reading the bloomberg article, it does absolutely no analysis on the numbers they gathered. It says the average pay for warehouse workers in a region drops immediately after amazon opens up there, which could just have been because they hire a shitton of people, many of whom will be in entry level positions.

Anyway, amazon might be a crappy company to work for because of their overall culture, but the pay is what attracts most people in the first place.

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John_Galt posted...

Here, Ill list all the things stopping any of those employees from quitting and getting a different job if they are unhappy with their current employment:

1.

"Lol if you aren't getting paid enough just get a job that pays more LMAO it's that easy"

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If you think life is difficult being poor just try being rich!

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John_Galt posted...

Here, Ill list all the things stopping any of those employees from quitting and getting a different job if they are unhappy with their current employment:

1.

Unemployment is 10 percent owing to the pandemic

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s0nicfan posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/14/new-york-will-lose-the-bulk-of-the-25000-jobs-that-were-promised-by-amazon-hq2.html

If your tax structure is so fucked up that you have to carve out a sweetheart exception for a business to even consider your town, maybe you should be looking into that instead.

Not Buying It AOC!

NOT BUYING IT!

Amazon
Ocasio
Cortez

NOT BUYING IT!!!!!!!!!!!

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Questionmarktarius posted...

If your tax structure is so fucked up that you have to carve out a sweetheart exception for a business to even consider your town, maybe you should be looking into that instead.

Sure, so AOC should have done that instead of fighting to turn away 27 billion in revenue and 25,000 jobs because they get 3 billion up front and "Amazon man bad."

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John_Galt posted...

Here, Ill list all the things stopping any of those employees from quitting and getting a different job if they are unhappy with their current employment:

1.

Things people who don't live in the real world say

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TheMikh posted...

isn't 15/hr the minimum wage for hourly workers at amazon

Its almost like when you start paying people what would have been a livable wage a decade ago it will no longer be a livable wage

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How dare she!? The dirty poors should know their place and kiss the asses of the noble, benevolent job creators who out of the kindness of their hearts, gave those people jobs.

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s0nicfan posted...

Sure, so AOC should have done that instead of fighting to turn away 27 billion in revenue and 25,000 jobs because they get 3 billion up front and "Amazon man bad."

Well, yeah, because now all the eggs aren't in one basket. Instead of chasing that one big monolithic corporation you're going to shit on for being "evil" anyway, small and medium businesses can more easily move in and stick around when they're not going to be taxed to death.

Amazon pays employees more than most businesses

their work conditions are pretty shit tier though


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s0nicfan posted...

turn away 27 billion in revenue

I guess I didn't spell it out enough for you.

Who do you think gets the bulk of the benefit of that 27 billion?

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s0nicfan posted...

Sure, so AOC should have done that instead of fighting to turn away 27 billion in revenue and 25,000 jobs because they get 3 billion up front and "Amazon man bad."

Pretty much no one who seriously looks at economic development issues would tell you that tax breaks for businesses "work"

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PoundGarden posted...

But I thought we want to put the homeless to work lol

This. I doubt they are homeless because of Amazon, more like they have a job despite being homeless and hopefully they can get that out that situation soon.

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Amazons the least abusive boy friend....

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Balrog0 posted...

Pretty much no one who seriously looks at economic development issues would tell you that tax breaks for businesses "work"

Just ask Wisconsin how the Foxconn deal is going

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John_Galt posted...

Here, Ill list all the things stopping any of those employees from quitting and getting a different job if they are unhappy with their current employment:

1.

That's what I did when I hated my job. I got $15 an hour and they started treating me like crap. Eventually I had enough and walked, spent some time getting myself together, and started a career.

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Balrog0 posted...

Pretty much no one who seriously looks at economic development issues would tell you that tax breaks for businesses "work"

It's just too bad there's no viable way to flat ban TIF bullshittery.

Intro2Logic posted...

Just ask Wisconsin how the Foxconn deal is going

That's an easy case, but even seemingly successful deals aren't what they're cracked up to be. To illustrate the point, let's say Amazon creates 1,000 jobs now instead of 25,000 with the tax deal. It's not necessarily true you want the latter even if you get all those jobs. For one thing, the world doesn't stop because Amazon decided not to create hq2. A certain number of jobs will be created regardless, the economy doesn't resolve around Amazon. For another, you can use those tax dollars on other things that might create more jobs per dollar. It's also a question of where the people who fill the jobs come from; in a place like NYC, plenty of people might commute from out of state, so your tax dollars are benefiting other localities and states (while putting pressure on your infrastructure).

It's not always straightforward like that

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Just got done reading the Bloomberg article, Amazon is messed up

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AOC's point here is that if Amazon jobs are the kinds of jobs that get created when you give tax cuts to the rich then we don't want those jobs.

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s0nicfan posted...

I imagine it benefits her to make Amazon jobs look as terrible as possible given that she fought hard to prevent that Amazon HQ from opening in her district that would have brought with it a ton of jobs and an influx of tax revenue.

a ton of jobs that still wouldnt have paid people enough to afford to live in that area


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CloneTheHero posted...

does she ever not say anything dumb? at this point even dems are looking at her cock eyed. people who think shes the next great leader are delusional. she'll vanish like a fart in the wind with her goofy rhetoric

Can you actually counter what she said with a coherent argument? Cus this post makes it sound like you can't

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Tyranthraxus posted...

AOC's point here is that if Amazon jobs are the kinds of jobs that get created when you give tax cuts to the rich then we don't want those jobs.

And now nobody is going to even look at the underlying issues here, because of both "lol AOC" and "hell yeah AOC".

CloneTheHero posted...

lol what an argument. so are you proposing we pay low skilled workers a lawyers salary?

idk man after watching this countrys lawmakers and Trumps legal team for the past couple years Im starting to think that maybe we pay lawyers too much money

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