Poll of the Day > should the covid-19 vaccine be mandatory

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id go with yes so this pandemic can finally die down & go on with our normal livlihoods making a stable income from our small business that got put into temporary closing

It shouldn't need to be, but at this point it might be necessary.

It should at least be required for certain jobs, was reading about nurses saying they wouldn't get it.

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The deployment of the COVID-19 vaccine is planned to take place over the course of a year based on supply, and whether or not the person is at risk. After that window when everyone has access to the vaccine, but he haven't reached herd immunity? I don't think we will get to that state.

There's the idea that businesses could require you to have the vaccine to enter, however, I don't see this happening because I can't think of any reasonable way to enforce this that isn't pure fascism.

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Yes, we need to get back to normal before the tyrannical governors bring on more restrictions.
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btw: The current projections show the US will reach herd immunity before everyone has access to the vaccine, or at least that was what I thought I read.

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only for things that already require a vaccine

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Cotton_Eye_Joe posted...

only for things that already require a vaccine

but those vaccines (like the ones for kids enrolling in school) have been tested and every side effect is known.
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Mandatory in the sense of "if you don't get it we'll break into your house and hold you down while we forcibly administer it"? No. Mandatory in the sense of "you need proof of vaccination to do anything in public once distancing/mask restrictions are lifted"? That's more reasonable.

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Yes, end of story.

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Na, we dont know the long term effects of the vaccine, plus ive heard they put computer chips in it to keep track of us.

Judgmenl posted...

btw: The current projections show the US will reach herd immunity before everyone has access to the vaccine, or at least that was what I thought I read.

thats a load of bullshit

many millions of people would have to die before reaching herd immunity and doing so would give the virus countless opportunities to propagate and mutate into new strains

the whole concept of herd immunity is a terrible strategy that likely would not even work

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jkdarlow posted...

Na, we dont know the long term effects of the vaccine, plus ive heard they put computer chips in it to keep track of us.

how the fuck are they gonna put a computer chip into a syringe dude, thats not how ANYTHING works. And if they want to track people all they have to do is track your damn phone.

use your fucking brain

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Mead posted...

how the fuck are they gonna put a computer chip into a syringe dude, thats not how ANYTHING works. And if they want to track people all they have to do is track your damn phone.

use your fucking brain

nano chips mate, they're well tiny.

jkdarlow posted...

nano chips mate, they're well tiny.

dude they dont even want to send people $600

you really think theyre gonna spend the billions/trillions it would take to produce cutting edge technology and maintain the infrastructure for monitoring just to secretly track everyone in the country when they could literally just get more detailed info about people and their locations from Facebook or Google?

Mead posted...

use your fucking brain

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Yes. And it should be a requirement to get a stimulus check.

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papercup posted...

And it should be a requirement to get a stimulus check.

If the vaccine is the solution then everyone should go back to work and not need stimulus checks.

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papercup posted...

Yes. And it should be a requirement to get a stimulus check.

Thats brilliant.

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jkdarlow posted...

nano chips mate, they're well tiny.

I'll give you a secret from an Electrical Engineer.
The smaller the battery, the less charge it can hold.
So if it's nano chips, they won't be able to hold a lot of charge.
If they're sending signals through human bodies, that requires a lot of power, which, a lot of power requires a lot of charge.
So it won't last very long, if it even exists.

shadowsword87 posted...

I'll give you a secret from an Electrical Engineer.
The smaller the battery, the less charge it can hold.
So if it's nano chips, they won't be able to hold a lot of charge.
If they're sending signals through human bodies, that requires a lot of power, which, a lot of power requires a lot of charge.
So it won't last very long, if it even exists.

Bioelectricity.

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Considering that we can't even get enough vaccine for the people who want it at a time when it's most necessary, why would it be made mandatory down the road when the population has already been projected to have hit herd immunity? LOL!

If the vaccine had the promised 95% immunity and was actually in supply right now, enough people would step forward tomorrow that COVID would be a thing of the past by the end of January. And it could be done while keeping America a somewhat freer nation.

shadowsword87 posted...

I'll give you a secret from an Electrical Engineer.
The smaller the battery, the less charge it can hold.
So if it's nano chips, they won't be able to hold a lot of charge.
If they're sending signals through human bodies, that requires a lot of power, which, a lot of power requires a lot of charge.
So it won't last very long, if it even exists.

Unless it was powered by the human body itself!

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Bioelectricity.

Zeus posted...

Unless it was powered by the human body itself!

What the shit does that mean.
Is it tapping into nerves or something? We don't have electricity going through us.

Judgmenl posted...

The deployment of the COVID-19 vaccine is planned to take place over the course of a year based on supply, and whether or not the person is at risk. After that window when everyone has access to the vaccine, but he haven't reached herd immunity? I don't think we will get to that state.

There's the idea that businesses could require you to have the vaccine to enter, however, I don't see this happening because I can't think of any reasonable way to enforce this that isn't pure fascism.

Thing is though, how could you even prove you had it done before you enter into a place and so on?

SunWuKung420 posted...

If the vaccine is the solution then everyone should go back to work and not need stimulus checks.

Tell that to the people who lost their jobs, apartments, houses, etc over this past year when the goverment was dicking around focusing more on the election then to pump out a second stimulus check. Lets face it, in terms of this country alone, those who are in charge in America doesn't give two flying fucks about their people

shadowsword87 posted...

What the shit does that mean.
Is it tapping into nerves or something? We don't have electricity going through us.

Neurons function by conducting electrical impulses.

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TaKun782 posted...

Thing is though, how could you even prove you had it done before you enter into a place and so on?

Presumably by giving people some manner of vaccination card to show as proof of vaccination. That's likely to run into counterfeiting issues, though (because there's no shortage of people that would literally rather buy a black market proof of vaccination card than just get the vaccine and do their part for public safety, because 'Murica), and I'm not sure how to handle that for people who legitimately can't be vaccinated (allergies, immunocompromise...).

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adjl posted...

Presumably by giving people some manner of vaccination card to show as proof of vaccination. That's likely to run into counterfeiting issues, though (because there's no shortage of people that would literally rather buy a black market proof of vaccination card than just get the vaccine and do their part for public safety, because 'Murica), and I'm not sure how to handle that for people who legitimately can't be vaccinated (allergies, immunocompromise...).

Oh gawd...lol!! Yeah, I should have thought of that. But then all the black market concepts behind it that also get pretty crazy.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Neurons function by conducting electrical impulses.

Electrochemical impulses*

You don't just have actual electricity flowing around in there. You have sodium and potassium (and calcium, in the case of muscles) crossing axon membranes to create voltage differences that trigger the release of whatever chemical messengers correspond to that neuron. It wouldn't be completely impossible to create a device that could tap into that potential difference to draw power from it (that is, after all, roughly how batteries work), but you'd be extremely hard pressed to do so without interfering with normal nerve function, and you definitely can't just inject such a device into the bloodstream and hope it ends up attached to exactly the right spot on a neuron.

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No compulsory vaccination, no mask mandates, no lockdowns. My body my choice.

ImperialScrolls posted...

My body my choice.

So long as it is just your body, sure. Start breathing into other people's air, though, and you should expect to have to follow some guidelines to ensure you don't hurt them by doing so.

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adjl posted...

Presumably by giving people some manner of vaccination card to show as proof of vaccination. That's likely to run into counterfeiting issues, though (because there's no shortage of people that would literally rather buy a black market proof of vaccination card than just get the vaccine and do their part for public safety, because 'Murica), and I'm not sure how to handle that for people who legitimately can't be vaccinated (allergies, immunocompromise...).

what about my safety? it's a new vaccine w/o thoroughly documented side effects.
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adjl posted...

Start breathing into other people's air, though, and you should expect to have to follow some guidelines to ensure you don't hurt them by doing so.

So you're saying we should start being like Japan and China (among other places) where people wear masks all the time if they believe they have a cold or suspect others might? They've done that for a long time.

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ImperialScrolls posted...

No compulsory vaccination, no mask mandates, no lockdowns. My body my choice.

Had to get on an alt to say that?

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

what about my safety? it's a new vaccine w/o thoroughly documented side effects.

By the time any of this becomes an issue (heck, by the time you're even eligible for it, since I'm guessing you're not exactly high-priority), several million people will have been vaccinated before you. That's a thorough enough trial to be reasonable certain it won't hurt you.

DANTE20XX posted...

So you're saying we should start being like Japan and China (among other places) where people wear masks all the time if they believe they have a cold or suspect others might? They've done that for a long time.

*Shrug* It probably won't happen, but colds are also significantly less dangerous than Covid. It won't surprise me at all if wearing masks during flu season becomes a lot more common, particularly once we have clear data on how much milder it makes this flu season, but I doubt it'll ever become as commonplace as it is in East Asia, given how strongly so much of the US has resisted wearing them for a far more serious health concern. Many Americans have very explicitly proclaimed that they don't care about giving other people colds.

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ImperialScrolls posted...

No compulsory vaccination, no mask mandates, no lockdowns. My body my choice.

wrong

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I wouldn't care if it was. Certain people tend to call everything the government does Authoritarian anyway, those would be the only ones complaining. It's not like they can whine any louder.

Still, it doesn't feel right.

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the vaccine has been found to be effective at protecting people from serious illness from covid 19 but, as far is we know, it may still be possible for vaccinated people to become infected and infect other people.
So people get vaccinated to protect themselves.
If someone wants to risk the potentially serious effects of catching Covid-19 the risk is up to them.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Neurons function by conducting electrical impulses.

Ah yes, let me just tap directly into your nerve line and use that to charge a battery.
What can possibly go wron-- why are you screaming, oh, your arm doesn't work and you're in massive pain.

I have been hearing rumors that airlines will make it mandatory to fly with them

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GetMagnaCarter posted...

If someone wants to risk the potentially serious effects of catching Covid-19 the risk is up to them.

But not the risk of catching it and infecting others

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Yeah. Unless you have a valid medical reason (that isn't some made-up hippie bullshit, but from a real doctor), it should be mandatory. I don't see why people are so fucking stupid that they can't see how getting a vaccine is no different than obeying traffic laws or lining up to pay for groceries. Certain things are just a requirement of civilized society, and you either accept them or should face consequences.

Mead posted...

But not the risk of catching it and infecting others

so they should social distance and wear a mask when in close proximity with other people (at least if indoors) - these are probably more effective ways of not infecting people than getting vaccinated

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GetMagnaCarter posted...

so they should social distance and wear a mask when in close proximity with other people (at least if indoors) - these are probably more effective ways of not infecting people than getting vaccinated

they have to get vaccinated also

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Mead posted...

they have to get vaccinated also

they should to protect themselves from the harmful effects of Covid 19 if they do get infected

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GetMagnaCarter posted...

they should to protect themselves from the harmful effects of Covid 19 if they do get infected

Yeah, this has been going swimmingly for the last year.

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Should everyone get a vaccine? Yes.
Should they be forced to? No. I don't want to set that kind of precedent

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shadowsword87 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Neurons function by conducting electrical impulses.

Ah yes, let me just tap directly into your nerve line and use that to charge a battery.
What can possibly go wron-- why are you screaming, oh, your arm doesn't work and you're in massive pain.

There are pacemakers that runs/recharges on body energy though.
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BADoglick posted...

Should everyone get a vaccine? Yes.
Should they be forced to? No. I don't want to set that kind of precedent

then theyre gonna keep spreading the virus, covid doesnt care about freedom

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LeetCheet posted...

There are pacemakers that runs/recharges on body energy though.

Are there? Got a link for some? I'd love to read in on it.

shadowsword87 posted...

Are there? Got a link for some? I'd love to read in on it.

its pretty new stuff, most pacemakers for now are still using lithium batteries that have to be replaced every 10-15 years

it makes sense that a pacemaker could be recharged by the heart though, cause your heart has an electrical charge run through it every beat

https://www.designnews.com/electronics-test/tiny-device-harvests-energy-heart

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TaKun782 posted...

Tell that to the people who lost their jobs, apartments, houses, etc over this past year when the goverment was dicking around focusing more on the election then to pump out a second stimulus check. Lets face it, in terms of this country alone, those who are in charge in America doesn't give two flying fucks about their people

If $1200 is gonna make or break you, you've done goofed in life. That will help through a month maybe 2, now what? Teach a man to fish, don't give fish. People who lost they're job or house need a whole lot more than a stimulus check.

As to the question, no. I'm a big boy and I don't need big brother watching over my back telling me what I need or don't need to do. Its funny how people actually like gov't deciding what we can and can't do. Sheep.