Current Events > Cartoon Network schools the youth on gender pronouns

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zzeennoolloo posted...

G.I Joe and He-man actually did GOOD and HELPFUL PSAs at the end of their episodes during the 80's.

Example # 1: "Don't give strangers your address". Some pedo tricks some kid into giving him his address. Luckily, Roadblock from G.I Joe shows up and the pedo speeds away. Roadblock then strongly emphasizes that kids shouldn't give out their address or any other personal information to strangers. That advice still applies today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFthiZ_Jftc

Example # 2: He-man & The Masters of the Universe: don't do hard drugs. Hard drugs don't make your problems go away in the long run, they create bigger problems in the long run. This is advice that still applies today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYEDrNC9AWQ

Other cartoons did PSAs like this.... HELPFUL PSAs which could apply to anyone of any generation. And they did it very effectively with good storytelling.

^These G.I Joe and He-man PSA's are actually age appropriate (and they apply to everyone of any age group in any area. I know some fully grown adults during the year 2020 who can use the advice given in those G.I Joe and He-man PSAs).
Cartoon network's current PSA isn't age appropriate. The stuff they are discussing is something even some adults have a tough time grasping. A kid, who doesn't have proper knowledge of most of that stuff (why? because they are kids. Cognitively speaking they aren't up to that point yet, especially for those that haven't even hit puberty) isn't going to fully understand any of that. Also, the writing in that Cartoon Network PSA is horrible. The writing seems like it was written by some college student who wrote that Cartoon network PSA for an assignment that would only be read by a professor, not for a general audience of Cartoon Network viewers. Meanwhile, those G.I Joe and He-man PSAs are extremely well written and can be understood by anyone of any age.

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The_REAL_Duke_O posted...

Cartoon network's current PSA isn't age appropriate. The stuff they are discussing is something even some adults have a tough time grasping.

Know what might have helped those adults having a hard time grasping it? Wait for it...waaaaaaaait for it...

People discussing the issue and engaging in an open dialogue with them when they were younger.

If you dont feel safe, included, and seen unless people introduce themselves this way and unless people bother with ze/zir/etc, then I am skeptical that anything will ever be enough to feel safe/included/seen in regular company. It just wont catch on except through bigger efforts to control the public. Idk.

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Tenlaar posted...

People discussing the issue and engaging in an open dialogue with them when they were younger.

Most young kids aren't going to understand anything that's being said in that Cartoon network PSA. For crying out loud, some kids in the elementary school grades have a tough time in school when a lesson or test on identifying pronouns comes up. Add in gender related stuff into that which most adults have never heard of and don't even know what they mean (Ze and Zir, which aren't even recognized as real words in most dictionaries. Seriously, there are adults in this topic who are asking what Ze and Zir mean), how the hell are the younger kids suppose to grasp this stuff? In terms of paying people respect, there are these things called NAMES that 99.99% of people use to refer to others. Most people will go up to another person and say "Hi, my name is _______, how are you today?". Most people aren't going to go up to another person and throw out their preferred pronouns before they even say what their name is. Most people will introduce each other by their FIRST name and those names will be used.

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My work recently had a guest speaker that brought up the topic of pronouns in the work place. What he suggested people start doing is in their email signature / general conversation to say your preferred pronoun. This way it becomes a common thing to do, and doesn't single out those that need to use it. (AKA - it takes the pressure off of them to bring it up first, because others are already bringing it up)

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The_REAL_Duke_O posted...

The stuff they are discussing is something even some adults have a tough time grasping.

Adults are notoriously worse at learning new concepts than children.

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foxhound101 posted...

My work recently had a guest speaker that brought up the topic of pronouns in the work place. What he suggested people start doing is in their email signature / general conversation to say your preferred pronoun. This way it becomes a common thing to do, and doesn't single out those that need to use it. (AKA - it takes the pressure off of them to bring it up first, because others are already bringing it up)

In both general conversation and e-mails people tend to refer to each other by their NAMES which happen to be NOUNS. When I talk to someone I call them by their NAME (which is a noun), I don't refer to them as their pronoun. 99.99% of people refer to others by their NAMES (which happen to be nouns), not by their pronouns, regardless of who they are. Referring to someone by their name is the best way to show someone courtesy and be friendly towards them.

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zzeennoolloo posted...

In both general conversation and e-mails people tend to refer to each other by their NAMES which happen to be NOUNS. When I talk to someone I call them by their NAME (which is a noun), I don't refer to them as their pronoun. 99.99% of people refer to others by their NAMES (which happen to be nouns), not by their pronouns, regardless of who they are. Referring to someone by their name is the best way to show someone courtesy and be friendly towards them.

Are you suggesting we eliminate pronouns?

You used at least eleven pronouns in that post alone.

Pronouns are useful in conversation. Making sure we use the correct pronouns is respectful.

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radical rhino posted...

This is beyond embarrassing for Cartoon Network. Their parent company should fire the people responsible for this.

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CyricZ posted...

Pronouns are useful in conversation. Making sure we use the correct pronouns is respectful.

I'm calling people by their NAME (names are nouns) if I am speaking to them face to face or through e-mail, like 99% of people do.

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99% of the time youll talk to obviously one or the other and that 1% time just use their name.

"He wanted red, she wanted green and ROMAN wanted purple"

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zzeennoolloo posted...

I'm calling people by their NAME (names are nouns) if I am speaking to them face to face or through e-mail, like 99% of people do.

And when you reference these people in correspondence?

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foxhound101 posted...

What he suggested people start doing is in their email signature

That's actually what we do at my job.
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shockthemonkey posted...

This is such a weird argument. Like are you pretending that you never use pronouns at work?

It's "I don't see race" but for gender!

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