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Gafemage
12/15/20 4:10:45 PM
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DarthAragorn
12/15/20 4:12:02 PM
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yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir
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Solar_Crimson
12/15/20 4:12:27 PM
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Considering what happened with CN's thing about White/Black History before, this will also go over well.

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David1988
12/15/20 4:13:23 PM
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CN taught me to ask everyone their gender before I use a pronoun because one shouldnt ever assume, you may refer to them by a pronoun they dont identify with and therefore offensive.

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nativengine
12/15/20 4:14:36 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir


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SquirtleSkwad
12/15/20 4:15:17 PM
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I am always suspicious of a business who plays the woke card now.

It's almost certainly not because they care about social justice.

Especially if it's coming from Steven fucking Universe.

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nemu
12/15/20 4:16:18 PM
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The message is in the right place, but the whole "don't assume gender" and "introduce yourself with your gender pronouns" shit is never going to catch on. If someone has alternative pronouns, they can explain it and everyone else should hopefully be polite enough to use them. That's about as far as we need to go in polite society.
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Lost_All_Senses
12/15/20 4:16:20 PM
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I'll change my structure for specific occasions, but not as the norm. It complicates communication and makes stories confusing.

Which it seems like exactly what they're going for. I don't get why it's so hard to call someone by what they want. That's literally what names are. You do it anyway for everyone.

Imagine you saying "Im Jim" and someone going "Yeah... I'm not calling you Jim, fuck that"

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untrustful
12/15/20 4:16:31 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir
who came up with ze/zir anyway

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ultimate reaver
12/15/20 4:16:34 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
I am always suspicious of a business who plays the woke card now.

It's almost certainly not because they care about social justice.

Especially if it's coming from Steven fucking Universe.

does steven universe have a bad track record with this stuff or something?

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refmon
12/15/20 4:17:58 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
Especially if it's coming from Steven fucking Universe.
whaddyamean?

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SquirtleSkwad
12/15/20 4:21:11 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
does steven universe have a bad track record with this stuff or something?
No, it's just the only show they use to reach out with these messages. And they come off pretty patronizing.

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VerisimiIitude
12/15/20 4:21:21 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
I am always suspicious of a business who plays the woke card now.

It's almost certainly not because they care about social justice.

Especially if it's coming from Steven fucking Universe.
Im guessing this has to do with the handful of people on tumblr being extra on tumblr...

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ElatedVenusaur
12/15/20 4:24:34 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
does steven universe have a bad track record with this stuff or something?
My guess is that hes mad because its more the opposite.
SU Spoilers - The SU character there is Stevonnie: Steven fused with his friend Connie. Stevonnie is explicitly androgynous . They are even depicted shaving stubble(with a sword) in one episode.
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JuanCarlos1
12/15/20 4:25:05 PM
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Yep...70% of the people you meet will be non binary...

Ok, it's a nice thing to do. They forgot to do one where THEY POLITELY correct the person when incorrectly addressed with their preferred pronouns.

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SquirtleSkwad
12/15/20 4:25:20 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
My guess is that hes mad because its more the opposite.
SU Spoilers - The SU character there is Stevonnie: Steven fused with his friend Connie. Stevonnie is explicitly androgynous . They are even depicted shaving stubble(with a sword) in one episode.

That's one guess, but still incorrect.

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harley2280
12/15/20 4:26:51 PM
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What exactly is ze/zir?

Also I think one of the big things people struggle with when it comes to adopting pronouns is they've spent years in school being told you should never use they/them unless it's multiple people.
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averagejoel
12/15/20 4:40:24 PM
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harley2280 posted...
Also I think one of the big things people struggle with when it comes to adopting pronouns is they've spent years in school being told you should never use they/them unless it's multiple people.
the singular "they" is literally older than modern english.

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Smackems
12/15/20 4:41:12 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir


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SquirtleSkwad
12/15/20 4:44:17 PM
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averagejoel posted...
the singular "they" is literally older than modern english.
Now that's a lesson in etymology. Do Germans use "they"?

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harley2280
12/15/20 4:46:07 PM
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averagejoel posted...
harley2280 posted...
Also I think one of the big things people struggle with when it comes to adopting pronouns is they've spent years in school being told you should never use they/them unless it's multiple people.
the singular "they" is literally older than modern english.

Let me give some clarification, in American english a lot of style guides such as The American Heritage Book of English usage find the singular they as incorrect.
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Shadowplay
12/15/20 4:47:37 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir


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Garioshi
12/15/20 4:48:00 PM
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Neat

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Frizzurd
12/15/20 4:49:10 PM
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Surprised people aren't calling the mods over.

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Cobalt_Wasps
12/15/20 4:50:11 PM
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"dude" covers everything
so imma go with "dude"

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CM_Ponch
12/15/20 4:50:22 PM
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Who talks like that

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ViewtifulGrave
12/15/20 4:51:02 PM
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What is ze/zir?

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Garioshi
12/15/20 4:52:13 PM
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CM_Ponch posted...
Who talks like that
Their target demographic is children, I don't know if you've ever watched a Cartoon Network show.

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SocksForWokMAX5
12/15/20 4:53:35 PM
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CN jumped the shark

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Smackems
12/15/20 4:54:15 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
What is ze/zir?
Dumb

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harley2280
12/15/20 4:55:04 PM
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Smackems posted...
ViewtifulGrave posted...
What is ze/zir?
Dumb

Okay we get your opinion on it, but what does it actually mean?
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IShall_Run_Amok
12/15/20 4:55:41 PM
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I can't believe Cartoon Network is teaching my kids the English language. What's next, teaching them to wash their hands after flushing? Not in my country.

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averagejoel
12/15/20 4:56:28 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
Now that's a lesson in etymology. Do Germans use "they"?
I don't know about that particular pronoun, but the language does recognize three genders: masculine, feminine, and neutral.

my main reference point for this is Chaucer -- he was a Middle English writer (in the 1300s) who used the singular "they" quite a bit in his writing

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Smackems
12/15/20 4:57:06 PM
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harley2280 posted...
Okay we get your opinion on it, but what does it actually mean?
"I'm special give me attention"

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averagejoel
12/15/20 4:59:35 PM
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harley2280 posted...
Let me give some clarification, in American english a lot of style guides such as The American Heritage Book of English usage find the singular they as incorrect.
I'm unfamiliar, but my first guess would be that those guides are just outdated. do they by any chance suggest using "he" to refer to a single person of indeterminate gender?

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Gafemage
12/15/20 5:00:48 PM
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Garioshi posted...
Their target demographic is children

They to try to keep that guise going but their actual target demographic is adults with arrested development who were watching the same network in 2003
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harley2280
12/15/20 5:00:51 PM
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averagejoel posted...
harley2280 posted...
Let me give some clarification, in American english a lot of style guides such as The American Heritage Book of English usage find the singular they as incorrect.
I'm unfamiliar, but my first guess would be that those guides are just outdated. do they by any chance suggest using "he" to refer to a single person of indeterminate gender?

They are definitely outdated. They say you should use Him or Her if you don't know their gender.
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Pus_N_Pecans
12/15/20 5:02:23 PM
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That's neat. Some bits feel a little heavy handed, but I'll take it.

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Questionmarktarius
12/15/20 5:04:03 PM
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...
That's neat. Some bits feel a little heavy handed, but I'll take it.
So... Steven Universe
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fuming
12/15/20 5:05:55 PM
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This is extremely embarrassing. But I guess that's the target demo for cartoon network these days.
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Pandamonic
12/15/20 5:08:04 PM
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Good thing there's no Cartoon Network where I live.

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ModLogic
12/15/20 5:10:39 PM
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Questionmarktarius
12/15/20 5:11:48 PM
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I prefer amateur nouns anyway.
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Tenlaar
12/15/20 5:12:31 PM
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Good message, but holy shit that dialogue. "I feel seen." Come on cartoon bros.
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Lordgold666
12/15/20 5:16:02 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
yeah they can fuck off, I will never use ze/zir


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fuming
12/15/20 5:16:16 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
What is more embarrassing - Cartoon Network telling kids about gender pronouns or adults whining about it?

The idea of a for profit tv network using a show largely consumed by adults pretending to be woke by educating children who arent even watching in a very awkward stiff psa with awful dialogue is embarrassing. Not sure what your question is - do you mean adults whining about this psa, about being asked to use gender pronouns, about being informed about gender pronouns existing that literally all of them are aware of, what exactly are we talking about?
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radical rhino
12/15/20 5:19:38 PM
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This is beyond embarrassing for Cartoon Network. Their parent company should fire the people responsible for this.

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