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shockthemonkey posted...

This is why people call you a troll.

I back my opinions up, you continue to call me a troll. Ok

Hippocrates posted...

Non sequitur

If they had put that stuff in this game then great, but it wouldnt have improved it much for me. It certainly wouldnt have enhanced its main strengths. Like if I knew a Cyberpunk NPC had a daily schedule Id be like wow thats neat, anyway...

This keeps getting better!



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AP3Brain posted...

Witcher 1 and 2 weren't sand box in any kind of way. When you have 20 NPCs to work with it is pretty simple to give them a schedule and have them do stuff like go into their houses when it rains.

I haven't played a sand box open world game where random NPCs behave in realistic ways. Did CDPR set this expectation? I didn't follow much of the hype.

It's not so much about behaving realistically as much as well...behaving at all. GTA3 NPC's react more to the players actions and that was taken into account when developing the game.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2001/02/22/grand-theft-auto-how-smart-is-the-ai

With Grand Theft Auto 3, DMA has programmed its non-player characters, the artificial intelligence (AI), to perform several acts that simulate Good Samaritan behavior, but it's also programmed them with personalities, which means quirks, oddball behavior, and therefore even some surprises.

The pedestrians, or "peds," as DMA called them, in this game are programmed to act like good, law-abiding citizens. OK, well, the ones that look they are good law-abiding citizens usually are the ones who are good, law-abiding citizens, and the one who don't look the part, well, let's say you might expect different, perhaps even violent behavior from them. In Liberty City, the peds walk around in the morning and talk to one another. They are programmed to react to one another, and to you, too, depending on your actions. In Driver and Driver 2 cars never hit pedestrians. As soon as a car is inches from a ped, bam! He runs away. In Grand Theft Auto 3, the peds may fight back if you attack them!
Here's a good example. You can carjack any car in the game -- a cop car, bus, taxi, boat, limo, sports car, if it's in the game, it's yours for the taking. But depending on the non-player character in the game, he or she may react differently. In some cases, you open the door, grab the driver and throw them onto the ground. They yell, scream, or curse you. But some will simply lie on the ground afraid, while others may quickly get back on their feet and fight back. Yeah, they are programmed to get mad!

When it comes to recent games Watch Dogs Legion NPC's all have dynamic reactions to the player and also have day/night cycles along with relationships to other NPC's. I didn't expect that level but cars being able to drive around a roadblock seems like an easy enough expectation to hit.

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Hippocrates posted...

A Red Dead 2 NPC, let's take a farmer for example. He'll wake up at the ass crack of dawn. Head to his stables and hop on his milk wagon. He'll ride halfway across the map, all day long, to deliver crates of milk to Blackwater, or San Denis. He'll smoke a cigarette while the shopkeeper's help unloads the wagon. Then he'll hop back on, head back to his ranch, and get ready for bed. And there are tons of NPCs like this in Red Dead 2.

I do remember RDR2 having remarkable NPC AI! Haven't played a game like that since. I think there is difference working with small cowboy towns and large metropolis cities with thousands of characters though.

Grogu posted...

If they had put that stuff in this game then great, but it wouldnt have improved it much for me. It certainly wouldnt have enhanced its main strengths. Like if I knew a Cyberpunk NPC had a daily schedule Id be like wow thats neat, anyway...

Jesus where's the off button on this guy?

Darmik posted...

When it comes to recent games Watch Dogs Legion NPC's all have dynamic reactions to the player and also have day/night cycles along with relationships to other NPC's. I didn't expect that level but cars being able to drive around a roadblock seems like an easy enough expectation to hit.

Agreed with the last point, they really should fix it. Regardless, Watchdogs is a terrible, terrible game that cant touch Cyberpunk.

shockthemonkey posted...

Repeatedly saying its alive is not backing your opinions up when the city is clearly not alive. Have you ever been to a city? Did everyone simultaneously react the same way to everything?

Thats not what happens in Cyberpunk though? While most of them are walking, each NPC does something different... apparently if you keep watching them they carry on doing that thing forever or eventually disappear but I never felt compelled to do that.

If youre talking about the behaviour when you start shooting them then yeah, they skimmed there, but its not really that type of game and theres no incentive to do that.

https://youtu.be/EkpZhYG_Oq8

Here's a direct comparison of traffic being blocked in WD Legion and CP2077. No reason CP2077 couldn't have managed this.

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Agreed

I put in a refund request this afternoon. Shall we take bets on if I get the refund?

Grogu posted...

If youre talking about the behaviour when you start shooting them then yeah, they skimmed there, but its not really that type of game and theres no incentive to do that.

There's no incentive to do it in any game. But the effort is there in case the player does go for it.

The best games trick the player into feeling the city is alive even if they try to mess with it. In Cyberpunk 2077 it's more like a theme park ride that malfunctions if you poke it.

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Darmik posted...

There's no incentive to do it in any game. But the effort is there in case the player does go for it.

The best games trick the player into feeling the city is alive even if they try to mess with it. In Cyberpunk 2077 it's more like a theme park ride that malfunctions if you poke it.

I dont even disagree with that, though I get youre ragging on the game. They should have done more to make the game more reactive to the player I agree, but just walking and driving through the city feels amazing, even if it is just an illusion.

Darmik posted...

There's no incentive to do it in any game. But the effort is there in case the player does go for it.

The best games trick the player into feeling the city is alive even if they try to mess with it. In Cyberpunk 2077 it's more like a theme park ride that malfunctions if you poke it.

I'm not particularly warm on the idea of people poking amusement park rides that I'm on even if "nothing should happen"

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Darmik posted...

When it comes to recent games Watch Dogs Legion NPC's all have dynamic reactions to the player and also have day/night cycles along with relationships to other NPC's. I didn't expect that level but cars being able to drive around a roadblock seems like an easy enough expectation to hit.

Never played Watch Dogs. The NPC AI seems pretty good but has its flaws gamers were nit picking about when it came out (another example of unrealistic expectations).

https://www.polygon.com/2020/11/2/21546040/watch-dogs-legion-npc-simulation-routine-video-ps4-xbox-one-pc

It would've been somewhat cool to have similar NPC AI in Cyberpunk but the story and main characters in Cyberpunk seem much more interesting.

Conflict posted...

* Scripted NPCs that have dialog will say their dialog then proceed to stand there forever. They will also repeat the same dialog if the player leaves the area and visits again later.

I like swords

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AP3Brain posted...

Never played Watch Dogs. The NPC AI seems pretty good but has its flaws gamers were nit picking about when it came out (another example of unrealistic expectations).

https://www.polygon.com/2020/11/2/21546040/watch-dogs-legion-npc-simulation-routine-video-ps4-xbox-one-pc

It would've been somewhat cool to have similar NPC AI in Cyberpunk but the story and main characters in Cyberpunk seem much more interesting.

Those are nit picks. The CP2077 complaints are not and are immediately obvious. It's not an either/or situation here.

Again it's worse than GTA3.

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On the topic of refunds, I wonder if they would grant me one so I could migrate back to Steam. I bought it on GOG to support the company. But the game doesn't support Galaxy Overlay. So there's no easy way to take screenshots, no achievement pop ups, none of that.


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Stop making excuses for a company because they made one above average wrpg that gets overhyped one time.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Stop making excuses for a company because they made one above average wrpg that gets overhyped one time.

I cant believe people are defending this shit.

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Im glad I didnt buy 2077 yet cause watching people cry about it not living up to the hype is probably more entertaining than the game

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thronedfire2 posted...

Im glad I didnt buy 2077 yet cause watching people cry about it not living up to the hype is probably more entertaining than the game

The glitch comps are great.

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i was actually planning on buying this. glad i didn't just pick up blindly at launch like i do for many games

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