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Balrog0 posted...

So what kind of game is it? I thought open world sand boxy was sort of the point. I didn't follow development too closely

It's an RPG. RPGs and sandboxes aren't the same thing.

CM_Ponch posted...

Really bummed the name Grogu was wasted on a troll account

ah fuck, googled Grogu and got spoiled for the mandalorian

That's what I get for waiting the season out lol

Right so because I have a different opinion to you Im a troll. Ive admitted the traffic AI isnt acceptable, Ive admitted the wanted system isnt acceptable, but I genuinely dont understand what people want from NPCs? I cant think of a better city in any game, its totally believable and beautiful.

Ill hold my hands up and admit I barely followed any of the hype for this game, I just bought on the back of Witcher 3 being one of the best games of all time, and while this doesnt match that, its still a very good game, so maybe Im not as disappointed by broken promises.

AP3Brain posted...

That is the same statement that is in the article. NO WHERE does it say they are offering the refund services. They say to use PSN and Xbox or store refund.

They absolutely say you should have no issue returning for a refund. They don't have to offer a specific refund service to accomplish this. They say to first try to get a refund from the place they purchased it be it digital or physical and if they have any issue to contact them directly for help getting a refund. They completely walked that back. Its incredibly scummy.

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shockthemonkey posted...

This is not a compliment

Why? The Witcher 3 was exactly the same. Theres plenty of sandbox games.

Grogu posted...

I cant think of a better city in any game, its totally believable and beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUH6CF7gFkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9VMTk13wfo

You keep saying it's got good graphics. That's fine. I don't see how the immersion breaking, sub-PS2 AI is acceptable or defensible in any way

DarthAragorn posted...

It's an RPG. RPGs and sandboxes aren't the same thing.

I didn't say that they were dude. But people are saying it's not an rpg either

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Like every review mentioned how immersive the world is. What do you want me to say? NPCs not having schedules doesnt bother me. Walking and driving around the city is amazingly immersive, as well as the story and side quests obviously.

DarthAragorn posted...

It's an RPG. RPGs and sandboxes aren't the same thing.

They can be. The Bethesda games are. If the game was marketed as something like Mass Effect then yeah sure. But they marketed it as an open world game where you play as a gun for hire in a criminal underworld. They marketed the game as having the most believable open world game to date. They marketed the game having a living and breathing city with a day/night cycle.

Who was expecting traffic to not have AI before release? Or having NPC's vanish out of existence when you stop looking at them? This is basic stuff.

They didn't need to perform miracles but the open world standards are worse than any game I can think of. It's worse than GTA3.

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Liking something thats critically acclaimed is shilling now. ok

shockthemonkey posted...

its sad that you think youre fooling anyone, you set your post history to private and then only come into topics about Cyberpunk in order to praise it. What would you call that?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79176905
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79177055

Nice Cyberpunk topics

Darmik posted...

They can be. The Bethesda games are. If the game was marketed as something like Mass Effect then yeah sure. But they marketed it as an open world game where you play as a gun for hire in a criminal underworld. They marketed the game as having the most believable open world game to date. They marketed the game having a living and breathing city with a day/night cycle.

Who was expecting traffic to not have AI before release? Or having NPC's vanish out of existence when you stop looking at them? This is basic stuff.

They didn't need to perform miracles but the open world standards are worse than any game I can think of. It's worse than GTA3.

and those are things they should fix

but they also have nothing to do with whether the game is an RPG or not

Grogu posted...

Like every review mentioned how immersive the world is

We can see the game for ourselves. No one is interested in whatever lies reviewers say. I don't care if every single reviewer said the game is immersive. Anyone who can watch the footage on this game and say that, is lying right to your face.

Grogu posted...

Why? The Witcher 3 was exactly the same. Theres plenty of sandbox games.

Did you not play Witccher 3 at launch it was also incredibly broken on consoles at launch

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I dont have to watch footage because Ive played the game. Funnily enough I never felt compelled to watch specific NPCs for five minutes.

Grogu posted...

I dont have to watch footage because Ive played the game. Funnily enough I never felt compelled to watch specific NPCs for five minutes.

I knew you'd pick at that. Wish I could edit, or I'd have gone back and put "watch footage/played the game"

Knew it. Regardless, you not having an issue with obvious problems doesn't absolve them of being problems

Halo478 posted...

Did you not play Witccher 3 at launch it was also incredibly broken on consoles at launch

Well I played Witcher 3 on PC a few months after release, but thats not the point. The point is you cant interact with NPCs and they dont have a day/night cyle or whatever either in that game, and it didnt hurt that game either.

Hippocrates posted...

I knew you'd pick at that. Wish I could edit, or I'd have gone back and put "watch footage/played the game"

Knew it. Regardless, you not having an issue with obvious problems doesn't absolve them of being problems

If people have a problem with the traffic AI or how the police work, I agree with them that theyre poor. If they have a problem with NPCs not having a schedule or not being able to have conversations with them then thats up to them but I dont understand why.

You don't even need to watch NPCs for 5 minutes to figure out that they all literally do the same thing regardless.

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Reviewers were given the game on a tight deadline and basically all of them steamrolled the story and dipped into some side quests. They aren't messing with or noticing the shallow open world.

Even then the odd one that did have criticisms about that got harassed by gamers.

Grogu posted...

Well I played Witcher 3 on PC a few months after release, but thats not the point. The point is you cant interact with NPCs and they dont have a day/night cyle or whatever either in that game, and it didnt hurt that game either.

This game isn't Witcher 3. It's Cyberpunk 2077.

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The_Yahtz09 posted...

contact them directly for help getting a refund

They say contact them for support (as in help with issues with the game). Not a refund. I ain't trying to shill for them but you guys are making delusional shit up in your head.

As for the random NPC AI it has been done better in other games (I can only think of GTA) but it is all pretty shallow and I am not sure why people seem to care about this. Definitely not what I focus on in games but to each their own.

GTAV comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9VMTk13wfo

Grogu posted...

if they have a problem with NPCs not having a schedule or not being able to have conversations with them then thats up to them but I dont understand why.

People having a problem with bare minimum 2003 gaming standards not being met, after the devs wildly over-promised on what the game would deliver, and you don't understand why? I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but maybe you are a troll after all

Tmaster148 posted...

You don't even need to watch NPCs for 5 minutes to figure out that they all literally do the same thing regardless.

Ok? Theyre mostly there to make the world feel like its full of people and they do that. Thats enough for me. Genuinely dont see how a random NPC changing from spraying graffiti to shadow boxing would make the game better but if it would for you Im sorry its not in for you.

Yeah ok i guess were dealing with expectations versus reality. My expectations were a a great story with great characters and thats what I got. I was genuinely blown away by the city though, no other game comes close for me.

Grogu posted...

Ok? Theyre mostly there to make the world feel like its full of people and they do that. Thats enough for me. Genuinely dont see how a random NPC changing from spraying graffiti to shadow boxing would make the game better but if it would for you Im sorry its not in for you.

By your logic all a game world needs are mannequins to fill the void in order to simulate life.

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It's not even just expectations not being met though. It's outright industry standards not being met

The game isnt perfect. Id say if you came in here wanting a sandbox game then yes its a downright bad sandbox game. Genuinely industry leading when it comes to the story and characters though, for me.

I mean, i don't even see these ai complaints as being about open world gameplay. I think it's more tolerable in a gta game than in a bioware style game. Like even in baldurs gate 1 back in the 90s, some npcs will run, some will fight, some will freeze. And some might even go get help. Maybe it's just the videos I've seen trying to make the ai look bad, but this doesn't even seem that advanced.

But that's why I asked what it's supposed to be.

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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, i don't even see these ai complaints as being about open world gameplay. I think it's more tolerable in a gta game than in a bioware style game. Like even in baldurs gate 1 back in the 90s, some npcs will run, some will fight, some will freeze. And some might even go get help. Maybe it's just the videos I've seen trying to make the ai look bad, but this doesn't even seem that advanced.

But that's why I asked what it's supposed to be.

Did you play the Witcher 3? Its very similar to that in that a lot of the world is set dressing but theres loads of great quests and story stuff around a beautiful open world.

They really skimped on the traffic AI and wanted system.

Grogu posted...

Did you play the Witcher 3? Its very similar to that in that a lot of the world is set dressing but theres loads of great quests and story stuff around a beautiful open world.

They really skimped on the traffic AI and wanted system.

Which is why this is a problem. Because of the setting you can do more with NPC's so they should have taken that into account. Even then Witcher 1 had stuff like NPC's running for cover when it rained which was impressive for the time. The open world is also set dressing in Mafia 2 but even that game managed to be more dynamic.

Chances are this is possibly an engine issue. Which is ironic considering how often this complaint is thrown at Bethesda.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Expecting a 2020 game vs reality of getting a 2003 game

Unfair tbh. The game has amazing story and quests, better than most games. Yes its not perfect but apparently Im the troll for not thinking its without merit.

I'll admit I was one of the first to say the complaints about this game were overblown and dramatic.

But god damn have I changed my stance.

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Grogu posted...

Unfair tbh. The game has amazing story and quests, better than most games. Yes its not perfect but apparently Im the troll for thinking its without merit.

Troll might be too strong a word. Maybe 'fanboy' is more apropos and less derisive? Either way, you were pretty overtly dicking people around ITT out of some misplaced defensiveness wasted on this game. I'm glad you think the writing is decent at least.

Darmik posted...

Which is why this is a problem. Because of the setting you can do more with NPC's so they should have taken that into account. Even then Witcher 1 had stuff like NPC's running for cover when it rained which was impressive for the time. The open world is also set dressing in Mafia 2 but even that game managed to be more dynamic.

Chances are this is possibly an engine issue. Which is ironic considering how often this complaint is thrown at Bethesda.

Witcher 1 and 2 weren't sand box in any kind of way. When you have 20 NPCs to work with it is pretty simple to give them a schedule and have them do stuff like go into their houses when it rains.

I haven't played a sand box open world game where random NPCs behave in realistic ways. Did CDPR set this expectation? I didn't follow much of the hype.

shockthemonkey posted...

You keep comparing the NPCs to a 5 year old game without understanding why thats an issue

No game has come close to making a city feel alive as Novigrad in the five years since... Until Cyberpunk. Yes, its all set dressing, and clearly not good enough for a lot of you, but it is for me.

>buys shitty game
>is mad that it's shitty

Y'all are worse than those people who don't think they should have to repay their student loans.
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AP3Brain posted...

Again. I haven't played a sand box open world game where random NPCs behave in realistic ways. Did CDPR set this expectation? I didn't follow much of the hype.

A Red Dead 2 NPC, let's take a farmer for example. He'll wake up at the ass crack of dawn. Head to his stables and hop on his milk wagon. He'll ride halfway across the map, all day long, to deliver crates of milk to Blackwater, or San Denis. He'll smoke a cigarette while the shopkeeper's help unloads the wagon. Then he'll hop back on, head back to his ranch, and get ready for bed. And there are tons of NPCs like this in Red Dead 2.

I'll play this is 2 years when it's good

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Hippocrates posted...

A Red Dead 2 NPC, let's take a farmer for example. He'll wake up at the ass crack of dawn. Head to his stables and hop on his milk wagon. He'll ride halfway across the map, all day long, to deliver crates of milk to Blackwater, or San Denis. He'll smoke a cigarette while the shopkeeper's help unloads the wagon. Then he'll hop back on, head back to his ranch, and get ready for bed. And there are tons of NPCs like this in Red Dead 2.

Yes, its impressive from a technical point of view but that was one of the most boring ass games ever made. A long ass tech demo that if you even remotely tried to put your own spin on a mission it would instantly fail you.

Grogu posted...

Yes, its impressive from a technical point of view but that was one of the most boring ass games ever made. A long ass tech demo that if you even remotely tried to put your own spin on a mission it would instantly fail you.

Non sequitur