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lihlih 12/12/20 6:10:49 AM #51:	Unbridled9 posted... lihlih has misrepresented what happened in the story as well as the reason for why the child was killed in order to push a narrative. For those not in the know, the basic story being referred to here is when King David saw the wife of another man by the name of Bathsheba. He desired Bathsheba despite having wives of his own. Bathsheba was married to a man named Uriah and David decided to do away with Uriah so that Bathsheba would be single again (and thusly he could marry her). So he ordered that he intentionally be placed in the thick of the fighting and then fall back, leaving Uriah to be killed. Now single David quickly took Bathsheba for himself. God was furious with David for doing this and sent a prophet (Nathan) to condemn David for this deed. As punishment for David's actions and as atonement for the sin the life of the newly born child was taken away causing David grief. So the child was NOT 'aborted' (it had already been born). It was NOT killed because it had been conceived out of wedlock. The child of David and Bathsheba died because David had broken one of the ten commandments (Thou Shalt not Covet Thy Neighbors Wife), effectively murdered her husband (another commandment violation there), and all while having women of his own. This story in the Bible has nothing to do with abortion in any capacity other than that a baby was involved. It's important to actually know what you are talking about. Depending on how canonical you view the Old Testament this is either a parable meant to teach against a covetous nature or an example of what happens when you display such a nature. Additionally it reminds that there is no such thing as a 'secret sin' since, even if no one else knows what you did, God knows. Secondly, God WILL forgive (David WAS forgiven for his sin in the story), BUT just because a sin is forgiven doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for that sin (David still lost the child). Finally, it's extremely unlikely that God had anything out for either Bathsheba or her son in this case since the blame is not only placed squarely on David's shoulders but Bathsheba's next son would be Solomon who would serve as David's heir. This is basically like saying that, because Batman fights Poison Ivy, he supports deforesting the Amazon. Bruh, you're religious, but don't even know the Bible as much an atheist? David got Batheshba pregnant first, then tried to cover up the fact by trying to give her husband some time off to "spend with his wife". Only thing is, he was so loyal to his fellow soldiers that he refused to leave their side. Which is why David had him go on the front lines to die. Also, the baby was born of sin, regardless of what sin was, and why does it matter if God murdered the baby or aborted the baby before it was born? Don't you religious types say that abortion is the same as murder? Or do you think actual murder is not as bad as abortion? --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948238089] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>lihlih has misrepresented what happened in the story as well as the reason for why the child was killed in order to push a narrative. For those not in the know, the basic story being referred to here is when King David saw the wife of another man by the name of Bathsheba. He desired Bathsheba despite having wives of his own. Bathsheba was married to a man named Uriah and David decided to do away with Uriah so that Bathsheba would be single again (and thusly he could marry her). So he ordered that he intentionally be placed in the thick of the fighting and then fall back, leaving Uriah to be killed. Now single David quickly took Bathsheba for himself. God was furious with David for doing this and sent a prophet (Nathan) to condemn David for this deed. As punishment for David's actions and as atonement for the sin the life of the newly born child was taken away causing David grief. So the child was NOT 'aborted' (it had already been born). It was NOT killed because it had been conceived out of wedlock. The child of David and Bathsheba died because David had broken one of the ten commandments (Thou Shalt not Covet Thy Neighbors Wife), effectively murdered her husband (another commandment violation there), and all while having women of his own. This story in the Bible has nothing to do with abortion in any capacity other than that a baby was involved. It's important to actually know what you are talking about. Depending on how canonical you view the Old Testament this is either a parable meant to teach against a covetous nature or an example of what happens when you display such a nature. Additionally it reminds that there is no such thing as a 'secret sin' since, even if no one else knows what you did, God knows. Secondly, God WILL forgive (David WAS forgiven for his sin in the story), BUT just because a sin is forgiven doesn't mean that there won't be consequences for that sin (David still lost the child). Finally, it's extremely unlikely that God had anything out for either Bathsheba or her son in this case since the blame is not only placed squarely on David's shoulders but Bathsheba's next son would be Solomon who would serve as David's heir. This is basically like saying that, because Batman fights Poison Ivy, he supports deforesting the Amazon. </quote> Bruh, you're religious, but don't even know the Bible as much an atheist? David got Batheshba pregnant first, then tried to cover up the fact by trying to give her husband some time off to "spend with his wife". Only thing is, he was so loyal to his fellow soldiers that he refused to leave their side. Which is why David had him go on the front lines to die. Also, the baby was born of sin, regardless of what sin was, and why does it matter if God murdered the baby or aborted the baby before it was born? Don't you religious types say that abortion is the same as murder? Or do you think actual murder is not as bad as abortion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 12/12/20 1:24:52 PM #52:	Revelation34 posted... Do you're saying God supports murdering children if the father is an asshole? I'm saying that this story isn't related to the question of abortion in the slightest. lihlih posted... Bruh, you're religious, but don't even know the Bible as much an atheist? David got Batheshba pregnant first, then tried to cover up the fact by trying to give her husband some time off to "spend with his wife". Only thing is, he was so loyal to his fellow soldiers that he refused to leave their side. Which is why David had him go on the front lines to die. Also, the baby was born of sin, regardless of what sin was, and why does it matter if God murdered the baby or aborted the baby before it was born? Don't you religious types say that abortion is the same as murder? Or do you think actual murder is not as bad as abortion? Cause first off, if you're talking about the stories relevance to pro-lifers and abortion, if the child had been born or not is important. I'm pretty sure most pro-abortion people would be against killing the baby after it's already been born. Secondly, the reason why the child's life was taken was because of David's sin and breaking one, arguably two, of the ten commandments. That is important context to have. Imagine a judge sending a someone to jail for skipping his bill payments, earning your sympathies for doing so, then finding out the reason he got sent to jail was actually grand larceny. This is also making a false equivalency. Namely that, because a pro-lifer sees abortion as wrong, they inherently are opposed to the taking of life for any and all reason. God killed children before. When the ten plagues came upon Egypt he killed literally every firstborn that didn't place the blood upon the door. Do you think there weren't any children or babies involved? Heck, the Dreamworks movie Prince of Egypt outright shows some Egyptian kid who looks to be about 10 dying from the Angel of Death. They know about things like Sodom and Gomorrah and the Great Flood and there's plenty of times in the Bible where God commands his followers to kill other people for various reasons (EX: Ehud). To most christians the life of the child was taken from David as the price of forgiveness for his sin (the Bible is very clear here that it's because he coveted Bathsheba and took her from Uriah, killing him in the process, in the ensuing parable). So you're not going to get them to see 'dumb girl who got drunk on a kegger and slept with the entire college football team trying to abort the ensuing baby because it 'will ruin her life'.' as being anywhere NEAR the same as 'God punishing David for his coveting of another mans wife, getting him killed in the process, and taking the life of his beloved child to atone for the sins he committed'. You're looking for a hypocrisy that just isn't there with this story. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:948248064] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you're saying God supports murdering children if the father is an asshole?</quote> I'm saying that this story isn't related to the question of abortion in the slightest. lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>Bruh, you're religious, but don't even know the Bible as much an atheist? David got Batheshba pregnant first, then tried to cover up the fact by trying to give her husband some time off to "spend with his wife". Only thing is, he was so loyal to his fellow soldiers that he refused to leave their side. Which is why David had him go on the front lines to die. Also, the baby was born of sin, regardless of what sin was, and why does it matter if God murdered the baby or aborted the baby before it was born? Don't you religious types say that abortion is the same as murder? Or do you think actual murder is not as bad as abortion?</quote> Cause first off, if you're talking about the stories relevance to pro-lifers and abortion, if the child had been born or not is important. I'm pretty sure most pro-abortion people would be against killing the baby after it's already been born. Secondly, the reason why the child's life was taken was because of David's sin and breaking one, arguably two, of the ten commandments. That is important context to have. Imagine a judge sending a someone to jail for skipping his bill payments, earning your sympathies for doing so, then finding out the reason he got sent to jail was actually grand larceny. This is also making a false equivalency. Namely that, because a pro-lifer sees abortion as wrong, they inherently are opposed to the taking of life for any and all reason. God killed children before. When the ten plagues came upon Egypt he killed literally every firstborn that didn't place the blood upon the door. Do you think there weren't any children or babies involved? Heck, the Dreamworks movie Prince of Egypt outright shows some Egyptian kid who looks to be about 10 dying from the Angel of Death. They know about things like Sodom and Gomorrah and the Great Flood and there's plenty of times in the Bible where God commands his followers to kill other people for various reasons (EX: Ehud). To most christians the life of the child was taken from David as the price of forgiveness for his sin (the Bible is very clear here that it's because he coveted Bathsheba and took her from Uriah, killing him in the process, in the ensuing parable). So you're not going to get them to see 'dumb girl who got drunk on a kegger and slept with the entire college football team trying to abort the ensuing baby because it 'will ruin her life'.' as being anywhere NEAR the same as 'God punishing David for his coveting of another mans wife, getting him killed in the process, and taking the life of his beloved child to atone for the sins he committed'. You're looking for a hypocrisy that just isn't there with this story. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/12/20 1:56:01 PM #53:	Unbridled9 posted... I'm saying that this story isn't related to the question of abortion in the slightest. Cause first off, if you're talking about the stories relevance to pro-lifers and abortion, if the child had been born or not is important. I'm pretty sure most pro-abortion people would be against killing the baby after it's already been born. Secondly, the reason why the child's life was taken was because of David's sin and breaking one, arguably two, of the ten commandments. That is important context to have. Imagine a judge sending a someone to jail for skipping his bill payments, earning your sympathies for doing so, then finding out the reason he got sent to jail was actually grand larceny. This is also making a false equivalency. Namely that, because a pro-lifer sees abortion as wrong, they inherently are opposed to the taking of life for any and all reason. God killed children before. When the ten plagues came upon Egypt he killed literally every firstborn that didn't place the blood upon the door. Do you think there weren't any children or babies involved? Heck, the Dreamworks movie Prince of Egypt outright shows some Egyptian kid who looks to be about 10 dying from the Angel of Death. They know about things like Sodom and Gomorrah and the Great Flood and there's plenty of times in the Bible where God commands his followers to kill other people for various reasons (EX: Ehud). To most christians the life of the child was taken from David as the price of forgiveness for his sin (the Bible is very clear here that it's because he coveted Bathsheba and took her from Uriah, killing him in the process, in the ensuing parable). So you're not going to get them to see 'dumb girl who got drunk on a kegger and slept with the entire college football team trying to abort the ensuing baby because it 'will ruin her life'.' as being anywhere NEAR the same as 'God punishing David for his coveting of another mans wife, getting him killed in the process, and taking the life of his beloved child to atone for the sins he committed'. You're looking for a hypocrisy that just isn't there with this story. Of course you're going to use the stupidest example of abortion, when many are needing it because of rape, contraceptives not working, not being properly taught about contraceptives(Which is cause by religious types. Why do you people hate abortion, but don't want to teach young kids about proper contraceptive use and safe sex? It's been proven over and over again that abstinence based sex education doesn't work), etc... Seriously, religious types love creating problems and love taking peoples' solutions away from them. Another example that's tied to abortions is that most religious people being Republicans, and they LOVE talking about pro-life, but also love taking all the programs away that can help a mother and baby survive and thrive in the world. Also, there are so many examples of God murdering innocent people, including babies and children, like you mentioned, but you people try to use the excuse that all life is sacred to try and oppress women? What the fuck? So you think all those innocent children's lives weren't sacred? Those were actual human beings and not cell clusters. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948249002] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote> I'm saying that this story isn't related to the question of abortion in the slightest. Cause first off, if you're talking about the stories relevance to pro-lifers and abortion, if the child had been born or not is important. I'm pretty sure most pro-abortion people would be against killing the baby after it's already been born. Secondly, the reason why the child's life was taken was because of David's sin and breaking one, arguably two, of the ten commandments. That is important context to have. Imagine a judge sending a someone to jail for skipping his bill payments, earning your sympathies for doing so, then finding out the reason he got sent to jail was actually grand larceny. This is also making a false equivalency. Namely that, because a pro-lifer sees abortion as wrong, they inherently are opposed to the taking of life for any and all reason. God killed children before. When the ten plagues came upon Egypt he killed literally every firstborn that didn't place the blood upon the door. Do you think there weren't any children or babies involved? Heck, the Dreamworks movie Prince of Egypt outright shows some Egyptian kid who looks to be about 10 dying from the Angel of Death. They know about things like Sodom and Gomorrah and the Great Flood and there's plenty of times in the Bible where God commands his followers to kill other people for various reasons (EX: Ehud). To most christians the life of the child was taken from David as the price of forgiveness for his sin (the Bible is very clear here that it's because he coveted Bathsheba and took her from Uriah, killing him in the process, in the ensuing parable). So you're not going to get them to see 'dumb girl who got drunk on a kegger and slept with the entire college football team trying to abort the ensuing baby because it 'will ruin her life'.' as being anywhere NEAR the same as 'God punishing David for his coveting of another mans wife, getting him killed in the process, and taking the life of his beloved child to atone for the sins he committed'. You're looking for a hypocrisy that just isn't there with this story. </quote> Of course you're going to use the stupidest example of abortion, when many are needing it because of rape, contraceptives not working, not being properly taught about contraceptives(Which is cause by religious types. Why do you people hate abortion, but don't want to teach young kids about proper contraceptive use and safe sex? It's been proven over and over again that abstinence based sex education doesn't work), etc... Seriously, religious types love creating problems and love taking peoples' solutions away from them. Another example that's tied to abortions is that most religious people being Republicans, and they LOVE talking about pro-life, but also love taking all the programs away that can help a mother and baby survive and thrive in the world. Also, there are so many examples of God murdering innocent people, including babies and children, like you mentioned, but you people try to use the excuse that all life is sacred to try and oppress women? What the fuck? So you think all those innocent children's lives weren't sacred? Those were actual human beings and not cell clusters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/12/20 2:52:37 PM #54:	A person who's actually pro-abortion would most likely want babies to die too. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948250847] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>A person who's actually pro-abortion would most likely want babies to die too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 12/12/20 9:14:12 PM #55:	lihlih posted... Of course you're going to use the stupidest example of abortion, when many are needing it because of rape, contraceptives not working, not being properly taught about contraceptives(Which is cause by religious types. Why do you people hate abortion, but don't want to teach young kids about proper contraceptive use and safe sex? It's been proven over and over again that abstinence based sex education doesn't work), etc... Seriously, religious types love creating problems and love taking peoples' solutions away from them. Another example that's tied to abortions is that most religious people being Republicans, and they LOVE talking about pro-life, but also love taking all the programs away that can help a mother and baby survive and thrive in the world. Also, there are so many examples of God murdering innocent people, including babies and children, like you mentioned, but you people try to use the excuse that all life is sacred to try and oppress women? What the fuck? So you think all those innocent children's lives weren't sacred? Those were actual human beings and not cell clusters. sigh You know what? I had a whole post written up to respond to this dumbness. A post where I not only cited Gallup polls but pointed out how it was hypocritical of you to get upset that a pro-lifer sees people who advocate for abortions one way but okay for you to frame pro-lifers as a negative stereotype of your own making. But I just don't care. I'm not in this for some stupid rage high. I'm in this because I don't want some numb nut misrepresenting the Bible and what it says to push a narrative. Whatever. I don't care one bit about the stupid claims you're making or the insane leaps of logics you took. Just leave the Bible out of this. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your **! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:948263833] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>Of course you're going to use the stupidest example of abortion, when many are needing it because of rape, contraceptives not working, not being properly taught about contraceptives(Which is cause by religious types. Why do you people hate abortion, but don't want to teach young kids about proper contraceptive use and safe sex? It's been proven over and over again that abstinence based sex education doesn't work), etc... Seriously, religious types love creating problems and love taking peoples' solutions away from them. Another example that's tied to abortions is that most religious people being Republicans, and they LOVE talking about pro-life, but also love taking all the programs away that can help a mother and baby survive and thrive in the world. Also, there are so many examples of God murdering innocent people, including babies and children, like you mentioned, but you people try to use the excuse that all life is sacred to try and oppress women? What the fuck? So you think all those innocent children's lives weren't sacred? Those were actual human beings and not cell clusters.</quote> sigh* You know what? I had a whole post written up to respond to this dumbness. A post where I not only cited Gallup polls but pointed out how it was hypocritical of you to get upset that a pro-lifer sees people who advocate for abortions one way but okay for you to frame pro-lifers as a negative stereotype of your own making. But I just don't care. I'm not in this for some stupid rage high. I'm in this because I don't want some numb nut misrepresenting the Bible and what it says to push a narrative. Whatever. I don't care one bit about the stupid claims you're making or the insane leaps of logics you took. Just leave the Bible out of this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/12/20 9:37:25 PM #56:	Lol, you don't even know the Bible as well as an atheist guy, and you want to talk shit about the usage of the Bible? You're one funny dude. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948264491] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Lol, you don't even know the Bible as well as an atheist guy, and you want to talk shit about the usage of the Bible? You're one funny dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/12/20 10:23:27 PM #57:	Unbridled9 posted... sigh You know what? I had a whole post written up to respond to this dumbness. A post where I not only cited Gallup polls but pointed out how it was hypocritical of you to get upset that a pro-lifer sees people who advocate for abortions one way but okay for you to frame pro-lifers as a negative stereotype of your own making. But I just don't care. I'm not in this for some stupid rage high. I'm in this because I don't want some numb nut misrepresenting the Bible and what it says to push a narrative. Whatever. I don't care one bit about the stupid claims you're making or the insane leaps of logics you took. Just leave the Bible out of this. The Gallup polls that ask 5 people out of a 328 million population? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948265823] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote> sigh You know what? I had a whole post written up to respond to this dumbness. A post where I not only cited Gallup polls but pointed out how it was hypocritical of you to get upset that a pro-lifer sees people who advocate for abortions one way but okay for you to frame pro-lifers as a negative stereotype of your own making. But I just don't care. I'm not in this for some stupid rage high. I'm in this because I don't want some numb nut misrepresenting the Bible and what it says to push a narrative. Whatever. I don't care one bit about the stupid claims you're making or the insane leaps of logics you took. Just leave the Bible out of this. </quote> The Gallup polls that ask 5 people out of a 328 million population?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrunkCaveman 12/12/20 10:38:50 PM #58:	Cacciato posted... Doesnt Christianity technically only use the New Testament? I mean I remember all the parables and lessons and shit they used to teach us in church, but I thought that in practice the new stuff was what counted. No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity <cite>DrunkCaveman posted [p:948266227] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite> <quote>Doesnt Christianity technically only use the New Testament? I mean I remember all the parables and lessons and shit they used to teach us in church, but I thought that in practice the new stuff was what counted.</quote>No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/13/20 1:16:35 AM #59:	DrunkCaveman posted... No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity It's supposed to. The Old Testament is just the Torah. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948270670] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>DrunkCaveman posted...</cite> <quote> No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity </quote> It's supposed to. The Old Testament is just the Torah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 12/13/20 3:24:59 AM #60:	DrunkCaveman posted... No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity In my experience the general consensus among churches tends to be that the stuff in the OT is IMPORTANT but not what is actually RELEVANT to being a Christian beyond arguably Genesis and possibly David. Even then it's treated as more of backstory and/or examples of what should/shouldn't be done than something essential to the faith. Like they'll point to David and Goliath as an example of what can happen when God is on your side (you go from a shepherd to defeating the strongest warrior of your enemy to becoming King) but it's not like they suddenly forsake their homes for sheep, attack tall people by throwing rocks at them, then expect the Queen of England to name them her successor. The best analogy I can think of is that it's kind of like watching/playing the originals of a series after it's had a reboot. It's important and you can see where at least some of the stuff came from and/or what they are doing with things; but it's not essential. You don't NEED to know everything about Spiderman to enjoy Into the Spiderverse but if you DO you get a lot of the in-jokes, references, knowing what was going on with Penny, and so-forth. Ultimately, the important things about being a Christian come from the New Testament. Even then technically all that 'matters' is the stuff about Jesus as the things that happened before that are largely about the history of the Hebrews and the things after that are mostly the letters sent out by the disciples/Paul to the various branches of the young faith. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:948272949] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>DrunkCaveman posted... </cite> <quote>No, absolutely not. Every church and every pastor has what they think is important to focus on, but the first testament is not put on the back burner as a rule of Christianity</quote> In my experience the general consensus among churches tends to be that the stuff in the OT is IMPORTANT but not what is actually RELEVANT to being a Christian beyond arguably Genesis and possibly David. Even then it's treated as more of backstory and/or examples of what should/shouldn't be done than something essential to the faith. Like they'll point to David and Goliath as an example of what can happen when God is on your side (you go from a shepherd to defeating the strongest warrior of your enemy to becoming King) but it's not like they suddenly forsake their homes for sheep, attack tall people by throwing rocks at them, then expect the Queen of England to name them her successor. The best analogy I can think of is that it's kind of like watching/playing the originals of a series after it's had a reboot. It's important and you can see where at least some of the stuff came from and/or what they are doing with things; but it's not essential. You don't NEED to know everything about Spiderman to enjoy Into the Spiderverse but if you DO you get a lot of the in-jokes, references, knowing what was going on with Penny, and so-forth. Ultimately, the important things about being a Christian come from the New Testament. Even then technically all that 'matters' is the stuff about Jesus as the things that happened before that are largely about the history of the Hebrews and the things after that are mostly the letters sent out by the disciples/Paul to the various branches of the young faith. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BUMPED2002 12/13/20 8:03:59 AM #61:	We have no idea if God did anything because there's simply no proof outside of what we have all been told and taught and in the bible. On the flipside, I am against abortion personally but I also feel it's not my place to dictate to a woman what should or shouldn't do in regards to her body because that could lead to people dictating what kind of medical treatment someone may need and there could be someone who may be against that treatment and when you have people sitting in positions of power who can alter those decisions, that isn't good and that's what scares me about the current Judges sitting on the Courts because regardless of our own personal feelings, we have to set aside our beliefs when making decisions that affect people in general. --- SpankageBros <cite>BUMPED2002 posted [p:948276614] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>We have no idea if God did anything because there's simply no proof outside of what we have all been told and taught and in the bible. On the flipside, I am against abortion personally but I also feel it's not my place to dictate to a woman what should or shouldn't do in regards to her body because that could lead to people dictating what kind of medical treatment someone may need and there could be someone who may be against that treatment and when you have people sitting in positions of power who can alter those decisions, that isn't good and that's what scares me about the current Judges sitting on the Courts because regardless of our own personal feelings, we have to set aside our beliefs when making decisions that affect people in general. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sarevokmb 12/13/20 8:35:54 AM #62:	My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. <cite>sarevokmb posted [p:948277201] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/13/20 7:27:56 PM #63:	sarevokmb posted... My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. Can you prove fetuses are innocent? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948297649] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>sarevokmb posted...</cite> <quote>My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. </quote> Can you prove fetuses are innocent?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krazy_Kirby 12/13/20 7:41:06 PM #64:	sarevokmb posted... My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. they aren't human for a long time --- Kill From The Shadows. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot <cite>Krazy_Kirby posted [p:948298151] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>sarevokmb posted...</cite> <quote>My stance has nothing to do with religion. Killing defenseless, innocent humans is wrong, and nobody has the right to do that. </quote> they aren't human for a long time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/13/20 7:53:58 PM #65:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they aren't human for a long time They're just going to deny and and use whatever bullshit excuse so they can oppress women. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948298688] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted...</cite> <quote> they aren't human for a long time</quote> They're just going to deny and and use whatever bullshit excuse so they can oppress women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sarevokmb 12/13/20 9:36:10 PM #66:	Krazy_Kirby posted... they aren't human for a long time What? lihlih posted... They're just going to deny and and use whatever bullshit excuse so they can oppress women. Yes, protecting the lives and rights of innocent humans is totally oppressing women. Are we also oppressing Andrea Yates for imprisoning her for drowning her five kids? <cite>sarevokmb posted [p:948302439] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Krazy_Kirby posted... </cite> <quote>they aren't human for a long time</quote> What? lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>They're just going to deny and and use whatever bullshit excuse so they can oppress women.</quote> Yes, protecting the lives and rights of innocent humans is totally oppressing women. Are we also oppressing Andrea Yates for imprisoning her for drowning her five kids? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/13/20 9:40:22 PM #67:	sarevokmb posted... What? Yes, protecting the lives and rights of innocent humans is totally oppressing women. Are we also oppressing Andrea Yates for imprisoning her for drowning her five kids? Drowning 5 kids is not the same as getting rid of an unwanted cluster of cells. Stop using bullshit "arguments" like this so you can tell women what to do with their body. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948302579] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>sarevokmb posted...</cite> <quote> What? Yes, protecting the lives and rights of innocent humans is totally oppressing women. Are we also oppressing Andrea Yates for imprisoning her for drowning her five kids? </quote> Drowning 5 kids is not the same as getting rid of an unwanted cluster of cells. Stop using bullshit "arguments" like this so you can tell women what to do with their body.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sarevokmb 12/13/20 10:42:32 PM #68:	lihlih posted... Drowning 5 kids is not the same as getting rid of an unwanted cluster of cells. Stop using bullshit "arguments" like this so you can tell women what to do with their body. An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. <cite>sarevokmb posted [p:948304560] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>Drowning 5 kids is not the same as getting rid of an unwanted cluster of cells. Stop using bullshit "arguments" like this so you can tell women what to do with their body.</quote> An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/14/20 5:12:58 AM #69:	sarevokmb posted... An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. You do know that we shed human cells all the time, right? What, are you against getting haircuts too? You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells. Stop making stupid ass excuses to oppress women, or at least just admit that you're sexist if you're going to do so. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948311919] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>sarevokmb posted...</cite> <quote> An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. </quote> You do know that we shed human cells all the time, right? What, are you against getting haircuts too? You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells. Stop making stupid ass excuses to oppress women, or at least just admit that you're sexist if you're going to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 12/14/20 6:43:32 AM #70:	lihlih posted... You do know that we shed human cells all the time, right? What, are you against getting haircuts too? You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells. Stop making stupid ass excuses to oppress women, or at least just admit that you're sexist if you're going to do so. He even used the term "murder", acknowledging that there is in fact a distinction between a lawful killing and not. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:948313146] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted...</cite> <quote> You do know that we shed human cells all the time, right? What, are you against getting haircuts too? You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells. Stop making stupid ass excuses to oppress women, or at least just admit that you're sexist if you're going to do so.</quote> He even used the term "murder", acknowledging that there is in fact a distinction between a lawful killing and not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 12/14/20 9:18:36 AM #71:	lihlih posted... You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells. Hair is not made of cells. Bone is not made of cells. Mucus may contain cells but is not made of it. Stomach acid, urine and feces are also not made of cells. The microbes that comprise the "human microbiome" are also not made of human cells. Your lack of basic science knowledge is frightening. --- For what it's worth I was the one that made up the scenario that she posted on Facebook about him beating her lmao. Cacciato 11/12/2020 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:948316135] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>lihlih posted... </cite> <quote>You do know that everything in our body is made up of human cells.</quote>Hair is not made of cells. Bone is not made of cells. Mucus may contain cells but is not made of it. Stomach acid, urine and feces are also not made of cells. The microbes that comprise the "human microbiome" are also not made of human cells. Your lack of basic science knowledge is frightening. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/14/20 10:35:05 AM #72:	SunWuKung420 posted... Hair is not made of cells. Bone is not made of cells. Mucus may contain cells but is not made of it. Stomach acid, urine and feces are also not made of cells. The microbes that comprise the "human microbiome" are also not made of human cells. Your lack of basic science knowledge is frightening. Hair and bones are definitely made of cells, and it's clear I didn't mean the wastes our bodies produce. Jesus Christ man, I know you're trying to make up for your real life failings by acting like a know it all on the internet, but that only works if you actually know what you're talking about. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948318400] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote> Hair is not made of cells. Bone is not made of cells. Mucus may contain cells but is not made of it. Stomach acid, urine and feces are also not made of cells. The microbes that comprise the "human microbiome" are also not made of human cells. Your lack of basic science knowledge is frightening. </quote> Hair and bones are definitely made of cells, and it's clear I didn't mean the wastes our bodies produce. Jesus Christ man, I know you're trying to make up for your real life failings by acting like a know it all on the internet, but that only works if you actually know what you're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 12/14/20 10:46:29 AM #73:	Hair is a protein filament. --- For what it's worth I was the one that made up the scenario that she posted on Facebook about him beating her lmao. Cacciato 11/12/2020 <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:948318780] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>Hair is a protein filament. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lihlih 12/14/20 11:08:53 AM #74:	SunWuKung420 posted... Hair is a protein filament. It has cells(albeit dead) in it. Jesus Christ man, try to harass someone stupider to boost your ego, because this is obviously not working for you. --- People come up to me... concerned.. that I'll reproduce." - Emo Philips <cite>lihlih posted [p:948319557] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted...</cite> <quote>Hair is a protein filament. </quote> It has cells(albeit dead) in it. Jesus Christ man, try to harass someone stupider to boost your ego, because this is obviously not working for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 12/14/20 7:35:51 PM #75:	sarevokmb posted... An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. Well good thing abortion isn't murder then. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:948338960] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>sarevokmb posted...</cite> <quote> An unwanted cluster of HUMAN cells. It doesn't matter what stage of development it is in, it is still a human life, and murdering it is evil. Women's rights to do what they want with their bodies ends when it infringes on other people's bodies. </quote> Well good thing abortion isn't murder then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanonsSpirit 12/14/20 8:07:22 PM #76:	The Bible condones and gives instructions on how to perform abortions. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV --- https://imgur.com/tsQUpxC Thanks, Nade Duck! [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] <cite>GanonsSpirit posted [p:948340056] in ATTN: Pro ... [t:79146528]...</cite> <quote>The Bible condones and gives instructions on how to perform abortions. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205%3A11-31&version=NIV</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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