Current Events > Has "cancel culture" actually ruined anyone's life?

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seems like when people complain about it theyre just complaining about like 30 people on twitter saying they dont like somebody because of ____

even people like Louis CK who had real reasons to be canceled are doing fine lol

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yes

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Papa John but fuck that guy

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIP6fI0NAI

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It depends on your metric of ruined. Depp is still a multi-millionaire who will get work, but he's been royally fucked up the ass regardless.

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Squall28 posted...

Papa John but fuck that guy

yeah i feel so bad for him now that his life is ruined and hes a millionaire living in his mansion but he can no longer be pizza ceo
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The only ones I am aware of are celebrities charged with sexual assault, and blue collar guys who got caught going on a racist tirade on someone's phone.

I'm sure there are some exceptions. I don't agree with damning people about the stupid shit they said on twitter 10 years ago, unless they're still saying it.

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Philoktetes posted...

yeah i feel so bad for him now that his life is ruined and hes a millionaire living in his mansion but he can no longer be pizza ceo

What happened with him again?

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SolidShadow3 posted...

What happened with him again?

Used the N word alot

Bill Cosby

Big and small examples abound. News anchors losing their jobs over allegations, people getting fired for social media posts, etc.

Just look at James Gunn. He was removed as director for GotG 3 over some edgy social media jokes from several years ago. It might not "ruin somebody's life" if they're as well off as he is, but if it can happen to James Gunn, it can happen to you or me, too.

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That one guy from The Flash got fired for something he said years ago.

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Aside from ruining lives it's censoring art that has me more worried. Pulling episodes of shows like Community & Always Sunny off of streaming platforms because Twitter complaining is a shitty way to run a business.

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bknight posted...

Bill Cosby

Bill Cosby was convicted of actual crimes

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Just look at James Gunn. He was removed as director for GotG 3 over some edgy social media jokes from several years ago. It might not "ruin somebody's life" if they're as well off as he is, but if it can happen to James Gunn, it can happen to you or me, too.

And then he got signed by DC to direct a big movie and then Marvel rehired him to direct GotG 3. If thats having your life ruined by cancel culture, sign me up!

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Big and small examples abound. News anchors losing their jobs over allegations, people getting fired for social media posts, etc.

Just look at James Gunn. He was removed as director for GotG 3 over some edgy social media jokes from several years ago. It might not "ruin somebody's life" if they're as well off as he is, but if it can happen to James Gunn, it can happen to you or me, too.

He got the job back though, so that's a bad example

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Canceling is censorship and shouldnt be supported regardless.

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Shane Gillis

Roseanne Barr (lol)


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SolidShadow3 posted...

He got the job back though, so that's a bad example

Only due to people vehemently bitching to Disney/Marvel that it was a stupid idea and likely enough market research to realize it was actively hurting them.

Gina Carano probably getting fired from hollywood

CADE FOSTER posted...

Gina Carano probably getting fired from hollywood

That's because she couldn't control herself. She took that bait everytime.

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nemu posted...

Only due to people vehemently bitching to Disney/Marvel that it was a stupid idea and likely enough market research to realize it was actively hurting them.

This. A person with less clout would have a much different outcome.

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Philoktetes posted...

yeah i feel so bad for him now that his life is ruined and hes a millionaire living in his mansion but he can no longer be pizza ceo

Losing the company you created is a pretty big deal.

If your metric is "who has had their life ruined, FAMOUS PEOPLE EXAMPLES ONLY" and your defense is "yeah but they are still rich/famous" then you are painting yourself into a corner. Just about everybody rich is going to be rich even when shit happens to them.

It happens a lot to small people too, but it doesn't get as much coverage.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/

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masticatingman posted...

Canceling is censorship

lol no it isn't

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JK Rowling even though she never said anything bad or controversial. Just a minority of Snow Flakes crying loudly. She will continue to make millions though.

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eston posted...

Bill Cosby was convicted of actual crimes

That not one person cared about until a comic went viral and brought forth the wrath of the internet.

Shablagoo posted...

And then he got signed by DC to direct a big movie and then Marvel rehired him to direct GotG 3. If thats having your life ruined by cancel culture, sign me up!

You can't compare going from where you are (nowhere) to where he is (somewhere but impaired) to the dynamics of what happened.

He was super successful and recruited and for a couple years his career got put on pause for jokes. LITERAL WORDS.

That's the problem with cancel culture. The wrong jokes, the wrong words, cost you millions. Or rather they cost talented people millions.

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joe40001 posted...

You can't compare going from where you are (nowhere) to where he is (somewhere but impaired) to the dynamics of what happened.

He was super successful and recruited and for a couple years his career got put on pause for jokes. LITERAL WORDS.

That's the problem with cancel culture. The wrong jokes, the wrong words, cost you millions. Or rather they cost talented people millions.

He was fired by Disney in July 2018 and hired by DC in October 2018, then rehired by Disney less than a year after his firing, in March 2019.

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Shablagoo posted...

He was fired by Disney in July 2018 and hired by DC in October 2018, then rehired by Disney less than a year after his firing, in March 2019.

It's still overall a blip on his career that lasted a couple years, plus there had to be massive petitions. Without those who knows what would've happened.

People act like cancel culture isn't real when it's effects are mitigated by others trying to fight back against the bullshit. But just because a large part of society comes out and fights the cancel culture fire, doesn't mean the fire wasn't there in the first place.

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bknight posted...

That not one person cared about until a comic went viral and brought forth the wrath of the internet.

Not correct.

It was this Washington Post article that did him in and kicked off #metoo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/13/bill-cosby-raped-me-why-did-it-take-30-years-for-people-to-believe-my-story/

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joe40001 posted...

It's still overall a blip on his career that lasted a couple years, plus there had to be massive petitions. Without those who knows what would've happened.

People act like cancel culture isn't real when it's effects are mitigated by others trying to fight back against the bullshit. But just because a large part of society comes out and fights the cancel culture fire, doesn't mean the fire wasn't there in the first place.

That blip lasted less than a year...excluding that he got signed for a blockbuster 3 months after his firing. Stop doubling down on nonsense

joe40001 posted...

It's still overall a blip on his career that lasted a couple years, plus there had to be massive petitions. Without those who knows what would've happened.

People act like cancel culture isn't real when it's effects are mitigated by others trying to fight back against the bullshit. But just because a large part of society comes out and fights the cancel culture fire, doesn't mean the fire wasn't there in the first place.

The question is who's life/career was ruined. James Gunn's wasn't, so yes he's a very bad example to use here. A "blip" is literally a very small thing.

joe40001 posted...

It's still overall a blip on his career that lasted a couple years, plus there had to be massive petitions. Without those who knows what would've happened.

People act like cancel culture isn't real when it's effects are mitigated by others trying to fight back against the bullshit. But just because a large part of society comes out and fights the cancel culture fire, doesn't mean the fire wasn't there in the first place.

Cancel culture is real absolutely. People take it too far plenty of times.
But holding people responsible for their actions is the right thing to do. If you can't see the nuance in that you're just as bad as those looking for anything minor to rage about.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Not correct.

It was this Washington Post article that did him in and kicked off #metoo

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/13/bill-cosby-raped-me-why-did-it-take-30-years-for-people-to-believe-my-story/

I'm part of the internet, never read that article, but did see the viral clip, guessing most of us have never read that article.

ChocoboMogALT posted...

Cancel culture is real absolutely. People take it too far plenty of times.
But holding people responsible for their actions is the right thing to do. If you can't see the nuance in that you're just as bad as those looking for anything minor to rage about.

So if someone said something stupid ten years ago they should be fired from their job today?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Cancel culture is real absolutely. People take it too far plenty of times.
But holding people responsible for their actions is the right thing to do. If you can't see the nuance in that you're just as bad as those looking for anything minor to rage about.

Holding people responsible for actions is something I fully support.

Holding people responsible for words they said that you don't like is asinine. Unless they hunted you down and shoved those words in your face, you are perfectly free to not ingest words that offend you. It's the Ricky Gervais guitar lessons joke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dxMGzt5mU

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The guy who hassled the Chik Fil'A employee for working for a homophobic company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LqoLBQ68Uw&t=64s

The girl who made a rant before going on a trip to Africa? I forgot the details. I think she said something spicy online, didn't have the internet for a few days -- and when she returned to the internet found out she was fired, went viral, etc.

Lindsay Stone - the girl who gave the finger in front of a memorial that said "be quiet and respectful" kind of joking about the "respectful" part.

Gamerguymass posted...

So if someone said something stupid ten years ago they should be fired from their job today?

Maybe, depends on their job and what they said.

joe40001 posted...

Holding people responsible for words they said that you don't like is asinine.

Words are actions.
Canceling Roseanne for being a screeching racist or Joanne Rowling for being transphobic is responsible consumerism. Public figures especially should be cognizant of their words as they have such a wider reach.

Like I said, if you can't understand the nuance between holding people responsible for deplorable stuff they've said and done and canceling someone for some shock humor that missed the mark (though, there is a line, somewhere) - you're just as responsible for cancel culture as those that fall into it.

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R Kelly
Michael Jackson

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Robin Thicke

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Words are actions. This ain't D&D.

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Very few people have had their lives truly ruined except non famous people who got cancel cultured.

It seems that cancel culture moreso hurts you than destroys you. It is often very possible to recover from it.

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Ehh, Im still not convinced Louis should have been canceled for having a fetish.

Well, there was that one ex of Zoe Quinn's (at least I believe it was her) who killed himself when the twitter campaign closed in. Fairly sure that constitutes a ruined life.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Very few people have had their lives truly ruined except non famous people who got cancel cultured.

It seems that cancel culture moreso hurts you than destroys you. It is often very possible to recover from it.

"recover" is too strong IMO. I don't think anybody hurt by it as as good as they would be if it never happened.

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Nope, all of these prominent examples aren't of people having their lives ruined, but of people in really competitive industries no longer having an incredibly rare and coveted spot within it, if even that sticks.

Like that milo yiannopolous guy or whatever. His life ain't ruined just because he can't make money touring college campuses trolling libs or writing up some loq iq garbage on some vaguely mainstream publication. That's nonsense. Idk what your parents did but my dad installed cubicles. I'm sure milo could go do that, too. That's not a ruined life, if you think so you need to take a step back and breathe

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Not really

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ColdOne666 posted...

JK Rowling even though she never said anything bad or controversial. Just a minority of Snow Flakes crying loudly. She will continue to make millions though.

Dis gon be good.

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Funny that you brought up Louis CK, one of the dumber examples

I mean why use someone who actually raped people like Cosby or Weinstein when you can bring up a guy who did something weird in front of consenting adults, lol

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