Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 346: One Q Over the Coup Coup's Nest

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Corrik7 posted...

You could fix all three of those with one solution, ironically.

I didnt think Id ever see you advocating for the complete extinction of the human race, but youre technically correct
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Jakyl25 posted...

I didnt think Id ever see you advocating for the complete extinction of the human race, but youre technically correct

I am not advocating for it. But, I mean, obviously the solution to all three of those is genocide.

World hunger is overpopulation. Global warming if man made is overpopulation. And world peace while tricker requires either alien unified threat or elimination of all competing ideas and stresses of overpopulation on the populace.

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Inviso posted...

How would giving fingerprints hurt illegals?

Jeez now even Inviso is using that phrase
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Corrik7 posted...

World hunger is overpopulation. Global warming if man made is overpopulation. And world peace while tricker requires either alien unified threat or elimination of all competing ideas and stresses of overpopulation on the populace.

Hunger has little if anything to do with overpopulation

Unless you actually mean kill literally everyone then no one will be hungry because no one will exist
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hunger has little if anything to do with overpopulation

I beg to differ. You sure you want to stick with that stance?

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Yes. It has everything to do with poverty.

Is your stance literally theres not enough food?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Hunger has little if anything to do with overpopulation

Unless you actually mean kill literally everyone then no one will be hungry because no one will exist

I'd like to note that climate change is also not due to overpopulation. The technology that causes climate change also caused the population boom, but it's important to not conflate the two. The continued use of these technologies in addition to alternatives being forcibly suppressed is what is actually causing such a significant change.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://twitter.com/stefanroberts/status/1330091788397408257

Best President of our lives.

I will bet MY LIFE that this didnt happen.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I'd like to note that climate change is also not due to overpopulation. The technology that causes climate change also caused the population boom, but it's important to not conflate the two. The continued use of these technologies in addition to alternatives being forcibly suppressed is what is actually causing such a significant change.

I only didnt make this case because I wasnt as certain

Regardless, the world is not overpopulated. We still have plenty of livable room thats not being used by humans.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I will bet MY LIFE that this didnt happen.

Also why are we giving him points for merely being polite?

Like yeah I bet Obama would have shit all over that woman
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Also I am absolutely thunderstruck that anyone could put GEORGE BUSH above anyone on a list of good Presidents.

The man ruined air travel, and started the longest, most expensive, and most war-crimey war in our history among many other things.

Even Donald Trump is miles above that.

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Corrik7 posted...

@Suprak_the_Stud

I said 222 I believe and you said 225.

It's currently 222-205 with 8 seats uncalled... all 8 with republican leads right now.

I said 223!

But I also said there was one I was hoping to keep that I thought we might lose iirc. That is the one Iowa district we likely lost by like 50 votes.

I dont remember when we were talking about this or I could just look it up to confirm. Feel like it was one or two days after the election?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Also I am absolutely thunderstruck that anyone could put GEORGE BUSH above anyone on a list of good Presidents.

You wouldnt put him above, say, Buchanan?
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Also I am absolutely thunderstruck that anyone could put GEORGE BUSH above anyone on a list of good Presidents.

The man ruined air travel, and started the longest, most expensive, and most war-crimey war in our history among many other things.

Even Donald Trump is miles above that.

There is no universe where presidential scholars rank Trump above Bush.

I dont disagree with anything you said in the first half of your post. But Trump is uniquely horrific and these past two weeks have cemented him as a bottom five all time.

(And Im being generous here and its probably bottom three.)

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Even Donald Trump is miles above that.

I'm not going that far.

Feel like we still need to wait and see the full extent of the lasting damage Trump has done to US foreign policy. Like who the fuck even trusts our word anymore when we've demonstrated that we as a country are liable to elect some malignant narcissist who will blow it all up at any time.

Our ability to negotiate has probably been severely damaged for at least a generation or two. Hell, not even with just unfriendly nations, even our allies would be right to not trust us given how we've fucked them over under this administration.

Edit: And yeah, that's putting aside what Suprak has mentioned about the sheer amount of distrust he's sowing in democracy. In general but especially over the past two weeks.

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Trump is a uniquely horrific person.

And I have no doubt he has the potential to be the worst President.

But in terms of actual things he did to our country and the world?

No man, George Bush obliterates him.

Jakyl25 posted...

You wouldnt put him above, say, Buchanan?

I said it poorly but I was going with Corriks of our lifetimes line. Obviously the Andrew Jacksons of the past rate worse overall.


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I said it poorly but I was going with Corriks of our lifetimes line. Obviously the Andrew Jacksons of the past rate worse overall.

Are you too young to count Reagan?
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Oh of our lifetime.

Sorry I totally misinterpreted that. Id still put Bush above Trump by a fairly large margin but I at least dont think your assessment is crazy then. Helps to read the whole topic and not just skim recent posts I guess. My bad!

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Jakyl25 posted...

Are you too young to count Reagan?

lmao man Im embarrassed.

For some reason my whole life Ive thought Reagan left in January of 88 (I was born in May), but yes, Reagan essentially ruined our country and laid the groundwork for everything awful about contemporary Republicans.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Yes. It has everything to do with poverty.

Is your stance literally theres not enough food?

You can study more into it as much as you want. We know as population grows more arable land is needed. It has a limit. We also know that world hunger is mostly contained to like 7 different countries for about 60% of world hunger. Countries with more poverty are more overpopulated and have more hunger issues. We also know global warming renders more of our land un-usable for farming and that with more population that there is a natural co2 increase but moreso driven by more car use, ac use, hearing, burning fossil fuels, etc. The more population you have the more this happens. Overpopulation of the world is inherently part of the equation. And, with a genocide you would yes, reduce carbon emissions drastically across the board. You would solve world hunger and even poverty. If you also were culling down to a small group of like minded individuals, you would solve world peace in the same swoop.

That said, it's a sick idea and that of a cartoon villain. So, we have to find another idea to solve it.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I said 223!

But I also said there was one I was hoping to keep that I thought we might lose iirc. That is the one Iowa district we likely lost by like 50 votes.

I dont remember when we were talking about this or I could just look it up to confirm. Feel like it was one or two days after the election?

Yeah, it was right after the election. We were a couple off in our guesses.

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Trump is bottom 1

I would've listened to an argument against that before this year, but being actively pro-covid and attempting an autogolpe seals the deal.

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I'm still confused as to why exactly we must know the precise results of the election within 24 hours and how not having the votes counted for a week or so invalidates the results.

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I'm technically too young to include Reagan on this list, but:

Trump > Clinton > Obama > Bush Sr. > Bush Jr. > Reagan

Bush Sr.'s description of Reagan's economics as voodoo economics was spot-on. Unfortunately, he toed the party line once Reagan made him VP. Clinton spent 2 years fighting it and gave up and joined Team Reagan, but was at least the most successful at using trickle down to bring the country prosperity. Obama did nothing meaningful to stop it and wasn't good at implementing it either. Bush Jr. believed the voodoo economics himself. And Trump called it out for what it is.

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Nothing truly showcases the true horror of Ronald Raegan more than the fact that so many people think he was one of our greatest Presidents.

It was the beginning of the end for bipartisanship in this country. The beta Trump.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Nothing truly showcases the true horror of Ronald Raegan more than the fact that so many people think he was one of our greatest Presidents.

It was the beginning of the end for bipartisanship in this country. The beta Trump.

The true horror of Reagan is he got both parties to go along with his terrible ideas for about 40 years.

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man between Reagan, Bush 43, and Trump i guess you could say the republican party isn't sending their best

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Not_an_Owl posted...

I'm still confused as to why exactly we must know the precise results of the election within 24 hours and how not having the votes counted for a week or so invalidates the results.

Based on his previous pro-Trump trolling, I assume he's implying he likes the idea of punishing the states that take longer to count

aka states with more dense population

aka blue states

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You don't have to leave out the other Bush from that.

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I'm not counting Reagan because I was too young to remember him.

Bush Jr > Clinton > Trump > Bush Sr. > Obama

Is probably right tho. I'd have to think about it more before I finalized it, but I do know that Bush is leagues above everyone else.

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Corrik7 posted...

We also know that world hunger is mostly contained to like 7 different countries for about 60% of world hunger. Countries with more poverty are more overpopulated and have more hunger issues.

That really doesnt sound like overpopulation is the cause then.
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I will also reserve the right to reevaluate presidents as time goes on and the consequences of their policies becomes better known. Clinton looked really great around February 2000, as did Reagan and Bush Sr. when it seemed their policies were working. Even Trump said so at the time, but 16 years later he was calling NAFTA the worst deal ever made by anyone.

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red13n posted...

You don't have to leave out the other Bush from that.

I mean, in terms of historically worst presidents I feel like I actually kinda do! He's not on that tier!

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

The beta Trump.

I took this in the realo sense of the word and was ready to disagree heavily
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Please no

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Absolutely not. Bush Sr. is one of the best Republican presidents we've had.

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xp1337 posted...

I mean, in terms of historically worst presidents I feel like I actually kinda do! He's not on that tier!

To be fair, you did not quantify it as historically worst.

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God I remember back when it was a big deal that Dan Quayle couldnt spell potato and people were shocked that someone that dumb could get close to the Presidency
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Jakyl25 posted...

God I remember back when it was a big deal that Dan Quayle couldnt spell potato and people were shocked that someone that dumb could get close to the Presidency

Trump would issue an executive order that the correct spelling is "potatoe."

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Jakyl25 posted...

God I remember back when it was a big deal that Dan Quayle couldnt spell potato and people were shocked that someone that dumb could get close to the Presidency

imagine if that happened with trump

we'd have 40% of the country believing it was actually spelled "potatoe" and we'd have multiple cabinet heads coming out to press conferences with trump to say it was

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The best part about that was that Quayle corrected a kid who had spelled it as potato

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Granted its not an English word, but its super sad that he spells Al-Qaeda ALCAIDA
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We have in fact hit the point where it is considered poison to talk about how qualified you are to be President.

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xp1337 posted...

we'd have 40% of the country believing it was actually spelled "potatoe" and we'd have multiple cabinet heads coming out to press conferences with trump to say it was

Dinesh D'Souza: Actually the word's original spelling was Potatoe with an E, not an O at the end. That's how the English spelled it and how George Washington spelled it.

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Someone on YT told me he thought Trump handled the pandemic as well as any President could have (ugh), and Hard Bastard stated that Trump's legal team apparently said they need 2-3 weeks to get the evidence of voter fraud they need (how does this work exactly?) and that there's a 60% chance of Trump getting a second term (wtf).

This reeks of echo chambers and failure to own up to loss.

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https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1330551109002399744?s=21

Its almost as if mask mandates work and that not having them everywhere is literal insanity!

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Giggsalot posted...

california as masterplum mentioned above is a perfect example; even in normal circumstances that state always takes weeks, and there's never the excuse of "oh it's close, we need to be careful". it's just weird and baffling that the popular vote differential still isn't known now, three weeks later.

that's fair but... is it really that big a deal? i get that it's frustrating to wait this long and faster counts would be nice but i don't think it really matters.

maybe i missed it but i don't think plum answered this question either. he just went "slow counts are a super big deal and we need to take drastic measures to make sure votes get counted faster!"

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

that's fair but... is it really that big a deal? i get that it's frustrating to wait this long and faster counts would be nice but i don't think it really matters.

maybe i missed it but i don't think plum answered this question either. he just went "slow counts are a super big deal and we need to take drastic measures to make sure votes get counted faster!"

I don't think it's a big deal in itself; certainly it's a minor issue with american democracy compared to things like voter suppression and the undemocratic aspects of the electoral system.

however, it's indicative of the larger problem of america's inexplicably poor election infrastructure, which leaves it more vulnerable than most western democracies to manipulation from outside (see 2016) or inside (now).

considering the current chaos after an election that wasn't actually close by any meaningful metric, it's easy to imagine that the republican attempts to effectively steal the election would have been successful if it were a closer biden win. a huge amount of the current GOP conspiracy theories revolve around vote counting order, which could have been completely nullified if it was handled efficiently in the first place. in that void, a huge amount of the country now believes the election was rigged, and faith in democracy itself suffers.

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If we can work out the security issues, I'm very interested in modernizing our voting system. I don't think vote counting in 24 hours should be a rule, but setting it as a target is worth talking about. Let's get electronic.

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Sceptilesolar posted...

Let's get electronic.

As far as I'm aware, computer security experts are almost uniformly extremely against this. Making a system that both preserves anonymous voting and isn't susceptible to being manipulated is extremely difficult, if not impossible.

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