Current Events > Nintendo being Nintendo again. (C&D sent to Smash tournament.)

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/thebighousessb/status/1329521081577857036?s=21

Apparently, them planning on using Slippi (a mod that allows rollback online for emulated versions of Melee) was what did them in.

EDIT: Statement from Nintendo:
https://twitter.com/pshanley88/status/1329544558288400384

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Nintendo is so out of touch. It really is a shame that they're too big to suffer financially for their dumbass choices

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https://twitter.com/C9Mang0/status/1329524999686787073

ay talk to em mango

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

I would also do whatever I could to stomp a community full of sex offenders and pedophiles that profits off my work.

Most of those offenders have already been purged from the community.

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

I would also do whatever I could to stomp a community full of sex offenders and pedophiles that profits off my work.

gottem

So Slippi League is dead?

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Statement from Nintendo was added into the OP.

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LMAO, someone felt called out by my post

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

LMAO, someone felt called out by my post

Which is sad, when far worse is left to fester for days, if they're removed at all.

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"Nintendo cannot condone or allow piracy of its intellectual property, unless of course they're the ones doing it and selling it to you for $60"

And its made worse by the fact that Nintendo's Japanese, so no doubt their infrastructure is set up where all the top directors pretty much are seen as gods, so there's no chance of any younger, less stubborn and more in touch with what fans are actually asking for employees shaking things up.

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pkmnlord posted...

"Nintendo cannot condone or allow piracy of its intellectual property, unless of course they're the ones doing it and selling it to you for $60"

I don't think you understand what piracy is...

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Slippi get back here!

Slippi watch out! Bogey on your tail!

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also nintendo is bar none the worst company when it comes to emulation, which is even more unforgivable given that we still don't have a worthwhile or updated virtual console replacement

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Piracy of an out of print game that they don't seem to have any plans to re-release.

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What I find hilarious about Nintendo's concern over pirated copies of Melee is that they don't sell Melee in any shape or form anymore, and hasn't for more than a decade. They get literally no money from the second-hand market that's the only place for people to purchase Melee. They have also not shown any plans to rerelease Melee either.

What do they expect?

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good. Nintendo protecting their property.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

What I find hilarious about Nintendo's concern over pirated copies of Melee is that they don't sell Melee in any shape or form anymore, and hasn't for more than a decade. They get literally no money from the second-hand market that's the only place for people to purchase Melee. They have also not shown any plans to rerelease Melee either.

What do they expect?

people were kinda memeing about it but i actually wonder how nintendo feels about Slippi's infinitely better online compared to Ultimate's. if there's a large-scale tournament basically flaunting its superior online via emulation, you could argue that it might affect their bottom line by pulling people away, no matter how small a number, from their game they currently do profit from.

of course the proper response i'd argue would be that nintendo actually make their online functional to offer a better product, but we all know that won't happen. it's basically the same for all emulation. if nintendo doesn't like it so much, how about releasing your old games and putting more effort into it than guys doing it for fucking free?

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Delirious_Beard posted...

people were kinda memeing about it but i actually wonder how nintendo feels about Slippi's infinitely better online compared to Ultimate's. if there's a large-scale tournament basically flaunting its superior online via emulation, you could argue that it might affect their bottom line by pulling people away, no matter how small a number, from their game they currently do profit from.

of course the proper response i'd argue would be that nintendo actually make their online functional to offer a better product, but we all know that won't happen. it's basically the same for all emulation. if nintendo doesn't like it so much, how about releasing your old games and putting more effort into it than guys doing it for fucking free?

I mean, Slippi does have a bit of a unfair advantage since it's usually played on Ethernet connections, which naturally offer a much more stable experience than wifi, but then again, I haven't heard much good about ethernet-wired Switches, either (probably because the vast majority of online players are playing on wifi).

I do wish Nintendo would actually stop BSing around and move into the 21st century when it comes to online. The Switch itself is a number of steps backwards compared to the Wii U, the 3DS, and even the Wii in that regard, and the fact that we have to pay for it now is inexcusable with how bad it is.

Unfortunately, as mentioned, Nintendo likely has too many old suits with too much power holding things back.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

I mean, Slippi does have a bit of a unfair advantage since it's usually played on Ethernet connections, which naturally offer a much more stable experience than wifi, but then again, I haven't heard much good about ethernet-wired Switches, either (probably because the vast majority of online players are playing on wifi).

I do wish Nintendo would actually stop BSing around and move into the 21st century when it comes to online. The Switch itself is a number of steps backwards compared to the Wii U, the 3DS, and even the Wii in that regard, and the fact that we have to pay for it now is inexcusable with how bad it is.

Unfortunately, as mentioned, Nintendo likely has too many old suits with too much power holding things back.

Smash Ultimate online has 5 frames of delay in ideal conditions (basically 2 ethernet switches right next to each other). I believe this was improved by around a frame with that one update to online. The game has 7 frames of input lag offline, so you're looking at 11 frames of input lag under ideal conditions. And rarely are there ideal conditions lol.

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If Nintendo doesn't condone or allow piracy, why do they make their consoles so damn easy to hack? There's some Chinese riddle for you!

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Also having more people in a lobby is known to cause additional lag. Here was the original source of the 5 frame figure that's thrown around.

https://twitter.com/MeruSensei/status/1252550798531330048?s=19

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what is Slippi

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TroutPaste posted...

what is Slippi

Roll back netcode for Melee using the dolphin emulator.

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TroutPaste posted...

what is Slippi

Jabodie posted...

Roll back netcode for Melee using the dolphin emulator.

right but what does that mean

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https://youtu.be/0NLe4IpdS1w

This is probably the fastest and easiest way to understand roll back.

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If they had only complied, I don't think this would've happened. They could've had the same situation, cancelling the tourney, but all the negativity on Nintendo instead of them.

They should've expected nintendo to throw a C&D.

In any case, while I don't agree with this, not much can be done.
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Gwynevere posted...

Nintendo is so out of touch. It really is a shame that they're too big to suffer financially for their dumbass choices

Really.

Sword/Shield is the 3rd highest selling Pokmon game despite legendary amounts of backlash. Just what the fuck?! It feels like I'm the only one who DIDN'T buy them anyway and stood my ground on the issue.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

I don't think you understand what piracy is...

Nintendo literally downloaded roms off of piracy websites to repackage them for VC. Dataminers found the dumper group headers in the VC versions.

How is downloading a rom off a website not piracy?
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Endgame posted...

Really.

Sword/Shield is the 3rd highest selling Pokmon game despite legendary amounts of backlash. Just what the fuck?! It feels like I'm the only one who DIDN'T buy them anyway and stood my ground on the issue.

As someone who got SwSh just a month ago, I have been having a lot of fun. The backlash is deserved, but honestly, it's a bit much despite that. People act like it's bad or something. It's good, just not AS good as it could be.
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Jabodie posted...

Smash Ultimate online has 5 frames of delay in ideal conditions (basically 2 ethernet switches right next to each other). I believe this was improved by around a frame with that one update to online. The game has 7 frames of input lag offline, so you're looking at 11 frames of input lag under ideal conditions. And rarely are there ideal conditions lol.

i still think the best way to fix ultimate's online is to fix the game's native input lag. even offline it's the least responsive smash game by a fair margin. i remember playing on smash 4 3DS online via wi-fi and it was far better, and i put hundreds of hours into it, and as it turns out sm4sh 3DS is one of the most responsive games in the series.

the problem is i imagine they can't really do it. getting ultimate to run at a constant 60 FPS with all the shit rendering on screen must have been tough enough already. it would have been really nice to be able to have the option to adjust graphical fidelity and other performance options for sticklers like me who are really huge on responsiveness, but i'd also be curious how the alleged new switch model runs the game and if it could reduce native lag.

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Slayer_22 posted...

As someone who got SwSh just a month ago, I have been having a lot of fun. The backlash is deserved, but honestly, it's a bit much despite that. People act like it's bad or something. It's good, just not AS good as it could be.

Yeah, that's the problem.

With a console that brought us Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, and FE Three Houses, people expected Pokemon to follow suit in providing a more ground-breaking experience for the series.

Instead, we got business as usual with an even worse postgame than before, an even easier game than ever, little to no dungeons and exploration, outright-removed Pokemon, and some of the worst connectivity features in a game ever.

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You all need to respect Sakurais wishes he himself said its not a fighting game its a party game. :3

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Solar_Crimson posted...

Yeah, that's the problem.

With a console that brought us Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, and FE Three Houses, people expected Pokemon to follow suit in providing a more ground-breaking experience for the series.

Instead, we got business as usual with an even worse postgame than before, an even easier game than ever, little to no dungeons and exploration, outright-removed Pokemon, and some of the worst connectivity features in a game ever.

I wouldn't say business as usual at ALL. The wild area(and the DLC areas) were fantastic. The story was good and had some interesting bits( the final boss fight is the most unique in the series ). It had a LOT of good going for it. If they add in the rest of the Pokemon, beef up the engine a little bit, and add in a lot more QoL features...it'll be the best the series has ever been.

Hell, if you just want QoL features, this Pokemon game is the easiest to:

- Max level Pokemon
- Max EV Pokemon
- Max IV Pokemon
- Catch any legendary the series has ever had(with the Crown Tundra DLC)
- Keep your entire party(you don't need any HMs or HM slaves in the whole game)
- Egg breed
- Shiny breed
- You can now freely switch between natures, and abilities(even hidden abilities in crown tundra!)

On top if all that, I think the post-game is great. Dynamax adventures and raids, as well as PvP is always fun. I've been playing raids for a good amount of time at this point.

In terms of mechanics, this game has some of the best stuff. I think it's got so much potential. Bringing in some of the old stuff(Megas, Z-moves, etc) would HEAVILY enhance the game.

It's on the precipice of greatness.
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Looks like all the Slippi tournament footage has been deleted off twitch. I bet Nintendo takes it a step further and forced everyone to stop playing Slippi on Twitch and YouTube. This is going to kill Melee when they cant even play the game with other people because of the pandemic.

I have heard that Emulators are legal, and have won several court cases in the US? Is there any truth to that?

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FUck nintendo

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Critical made a video on this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKF9t-hfEw

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Smash Summit is going right now on Slippi, guess Nintendo didnt care about that tournament? Maybe its because Summit is an invitational with only the best 25 players or so, while Big House was open to everyone and probably had hundreds of entrants?

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LordFarquad1312 posted...

LMAO, someone felt called out by my post

I dont think anyone felt called out. The post you made was just inaccurate.

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Gwynevere posted...

Nintendo is so out of touch. It really is a shame that they're too big to suffer financially for their dumbass choices

It'll catch up eventually. The gap between profits between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft/PC is astounding. Nintendo is also losing the youth demographic exponentially. They only can make their money off of vidya boomers, and they are starting to take notice of their anti-consumer bullshit.

Nintendo will be a 3rd party developer within 2 generations.

Slayer_22 posted...

- Max EV Pokemon
- Max IV Pokemon
- Catch any legendary the series has ever had(with the Crown Tundra DLC)
- Keep your entire party(you don't need any HMs or HM slaves in the whole game)

These have all been just as easy (or easier) in previous games

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOKF9t-hfEw

nintendo is incredibly anti consumer, you get what you ask for by trying to do anything except get waylaid by them repeatedly or not not participate at all

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ultimate reaver posted...

nintendo is incredibly anti consumer, you get what you ask for by trying to do anything except get waylaid by them repeatedly or not not participate at all

Which is incredibly ironic given that their entire demographic is practically gamers old enough to realize their garbage. When was the last time you ever saw a kid with a Switch that their dad didn't already own?

BroHelpImStuck posted...

Which is incredibly ironic given that their entire demographic is practically gamers old enough to realize their garbage. When was the last time you ever saw a kid with a Switch that their dad didn't already own?

My 8yo nephew.

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Nintendo has NO choice but to get their lawyers to make a bunch of people sad

No choice!

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Solar_Crimson posted...

My 8yo nephew.

Your brother is a video game boomer who is trying to force his nostalgic tastes on his son.

His friends all have PS4s/PS5s/gaming PCs and are annoyed he can't play Fortnite with them.

if it were sega, they probably would have worked with the developer of sippi to come up with a better online system. but since its Nintendo, of course they don't work with outsiders. sega and other companies work with their fans to give them what they want, nintendo tends to not do that.
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BroHelpImStuck posted...

Which is incredibly ironic given that their entire demographic is practically gamers old enough to realize their garbage. When was the last time you ever saw a kid with a Switch that their dad didn't already own?

I have two friends with kids, and both of those kids have their own Switches. Both dads have PS4s that they share with their kids reluctantly, the Switches belong solely to the kids.

I don't think your statement is as universal as you might think it is

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BroHelpImStuck posted...

Your brother is a video game boomer who is trying to force his nostalgic tastes on his son.

His friends all have PS4s/PS5s/gaming PCs and are annoyed he can't play Fortnite with them.

My sister, actually. She's not really a gamer, and he already has Fortnite on his Switch and regularly plays it online.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

These have all been just as easy (or easier) in previous games

I disagree. Wormholes are a chore, and far more limiting. Dynamax, you just have to ask or use a community and you'll find the Pokemon you want. EVs and IVs, maybe? But none of it matches up to how piss easy it is now. Hell, you can do one Blissey/Audino raid and use the rare candy from that, stuff it in the cram-o-matic, and get a gold bottle cap which will instantly max out every IV. Get 7 armorite ore, head on over to diggin pa, then use the watts from him to buy yourself luxury balls. Sell those, and you can probably max out multiple Pokemon EVs.
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