Current Events > Nintendo being Nintendo again. (C&D sent to Smash tournament.)

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BroHelpImStuck posted...

It'll catch up eventually. The gap between profits between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft/PC is astounding. Nintendo is also losing the youth demographic exponentially. They only can make their money off of vidya boomers, and they are starting to take notice of their anti-consumer bullshit.

Nintendo will be a 3rd party developer within 2 generations.

We got a troll in here. Nintendo is making more money with the Switch than Microsoft has made in years with their consoles.

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Endgame posted...

Sword/Shield is the 3rd highest selling Pokmon game despite legendary amounts of backlash. Just what the fuck?! It feels like I'm the only one who DIDN'T buy them anyway and stood my ground on the issue.

Hey man don't look at me. I bought my copy used.

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I skipped the topic after reading nintendo's statement, surely no one disagrees with them, as shitty as it is, right?

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Cookie Bag posted...

I skipped the topic after reading nintendo's statement, surely no one disagrees with them, as shitty as it is, right?

Emulators are legal and have won several cases in the US

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As much as I hate Nintendo, this seems like kind of an obvious ''no duh'' moment. They're against hosting a tournament where everyone's playing illegal copies of their game, like no shit.

If you can't play Melee at tournaments because of COVID, tough shit. A lot of things had to shut down because of it, it doesn't mean Nintendo's gonna let you rob them blind lmao.

Also, holy fuck why are there even still Melee tournaments in 2020

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Seems pretty fair to me

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BipBapBam posted...

As much as I hate Nintendo, this seems like kind of an obvious ''no duh'' moment. They're against hosting a tournament where everyone's playing illegal copies of their game, like no shit.

If you can't play Melee at tournaments because of COVID, tough shit. A lot of things had to shut down because of it, it doesn't mean Nintendo's gonna let you rob them blind lmao.

Also, holy fuck why are there even still Melee tournaments in 2020

Lol @ robbing them blind

They're not making any new copies of the game, if you want to get the game legally right now then you have to go through the second hand market, which they'll still make 0 profit. Actually if anything these tournaments will make Nintendo money in the long run. More people that get into Melee means there's a better chance that some of them will be interested in the series, buy the current version of the series and stay fans for life.

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BipBapBam posted...

As much as I hate Nintendo, this seems like kind of an obvious ''no duh'' moment. They're against hosting a tournament where everyone's playing illegal copies of their game, like no shit.

If you can't play Melee at tournaments because of COVID, tough shit. A lot of things had to shut down because of it, it doesn't mean Nintendo's gonna let you rob them blind lmao.

Also, holy fuck why are there even still Melee tournaments in 2020

"Rob them blind". lmao indeed.

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MartinBrodeur posted...

Lol @ robbing them blind

They're not making any new copies of the game, if you want to get the game legally right now then you have to go through the second hand market, which they'll still make 0 profit. Actually if anything these tournaments will make Nintendo money in the long run. More people that get into Melee means there's a better chance that some of them will be interested in the series, buy the current version of the series and stay fans for life.

The simple fact is they don't want you playing pirated copies of their game. Any other publisher would do the same

Do you see GDQ pull that ****? No they go out of their way however awkward to get a legitimate setup for people to run their games. It would be silly to assume that any company would allow them to use illegal copies even if it is for a good cause

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MartinBrodeur posted...

Lol @ robbing them blind

They're not making any new copies of the game, if you want to get the game legally right now then you have to go through the second hand market, which they'll still make 0 profit. Actually if anything these tournaments will make Nintendo money in the long run. More people that get into Melee means there's a better chance that some of them will be interested in the series, buy the current version of the series and stay fans for life.

And what happens when they decide to re-release it? Shit like this takes sales away from them (especially given how incompetent Nintendo is at making their online barely function)

It also presents a slippery slope where if they allow this, more and more tournaments/events will more brazenly encourage emulating their games, including newer ones that are still being printed that could screw them further. Overall, Nintendo literally stands to gain nothing by allowing this, but risks losing a lot.

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Conflict posted...

Lol

Nintendo is not re-releasing Melee

Ever.

They have 0 incentive to.

They are not losing any sales whatsoever from this.

Oh, so you can see the future? Mind telling me the winning lottery numbers?

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So by your logic they would never have re-released Pokemon Red/Blue because why bother? They're outdated games missing hundreds of Pokemon, no one will ever wanna play that lmao- Oh wait.

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BipBapBam posted...

Also, holy fuck why are there even still Melee tournaments in 2020

For love of the game. Ill never understand why people get so mad that people dont move on, but then insult new gens, or have their favorite game be a game from a previous generation. Its common in the FGC for people to hate the new fighting game that comes out, such as from SFIV to SFV. Difference is that Melee people actually play their preferred game.

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PerseusRad posted...

For love of the game. Ill never understand why people get so mad that people dont move on, but then insult new gens, or have their favorite game be a game from a previous generation. Its common in the FGC for people to hate the new fighting game that comes out, such as from SFIV to SFV. Difference is that Melee people actually play their preferred game.

I'm not mad about it, I'm more confused and surprised than anything. I'd imagine a big part of keeping a game viable to be in tournaments isn't just how much people prefer it over new installments, but how many viewers it'll bring in. So the fact that it's apparently still pulling a lot in is like a big ''Wtf lmao'' moment to me considering how old it is.

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BipBapBam posted...

And what happens when they decide to re-release it? Shit like this takes sales away from them (especially given how incompetent Nintendo is at making their online barely function)

It also presents a slippery slope where if they allow this, more and more tournaments/events will more brazenly encourage emulating their games, including newer ones that are still being printed that could screw them further. Overall, Nintendo literally stands to gain nothing by allowing this, but risks losing a lot.

emulation isn't going away no matter how much nintendo wishes it would. if they're worried about emulators taking away profit from rereleases, maybe they should focus on making that product better. most people who emulate old games aren't doing so because they're conniving thieves who aren't willing to pay for a quality product, they do so because they either don't have the option to play it on the original hardware, or the official re-release is so lazy and half-assed that fans doing it for free do a better job

here's a vid with a recent example in 3D All Stars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0d82ZJ4sd4

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Delirious_Beard posted...

emulation isn't going away no matter how much nintendo wishes it would. if they're worried about emulators taking away profit from rereleases, maybe they should focus on making that product better. most people who emulate old games aren't doing so because they're conniving thieves who aren't willing to pay for a quality product, they do so because they either don't have the option to play it on the original hardware, or the official re-release is so lazy and half-assed that fans doing it for free do a better job

Sure. Like, I legit don't disagree with any of that, again, I hate Nintendo. But still, they're a company so they're obviously not just going to stand by and let people emulate their games. Even less so for a big event like this. No matter how salty it makes people, they're (mostly) within their legal rights to shut it down.

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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

I have heard that Emulators are legal, and have won several court cases in the US? Is there any truth to that?

Emulators in the strict reference to emulators and not game ROMs.

Endgame posted...

How is downloading a rom off a website not piracy?

Because Nintendo owns the right to distribute those games. You can't steal what is already yours.

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there are plenty of game companies that aren't nearly as stingy at cracking down on emulation and fangames as nintendo. sure they're well within their right to do so, but they also were when they shut down Melee at EVO 2013. just because they operated within legal parameters doesn't mean they should be immune to criticism.

i just want a halfway decent virtual console replacement, that's the most frustrating part in all this. there's clear demand for this kind of thing, but Nintendo's sheer incompetence has left them doing absolutely nothing

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People ITT honestly would rather people spend $10,000 to play a Flintstones game and think finding an alternative should send them to jail.

Slayer_22 posted...

I disagree. Wormholes are a chore, and far more limiting. Dynamax, you just have to ask or use a community and you'll find the Pokemon you want. EVs and IVs, maybe? But none of it matches up to how piss easy it is now. Hell, you can do one Blissey/Audino raid and use the rare candy from that, stuff it in the cram-o-matic, and get a gold bottle cap which will instantly max out every IV. Get 7 armorite ore, head on over to diggin pa, then use the watts from him to buy yourself luxury balls. Sell those, and you can probably max out multiple Pokemon EVs.

I wasn't talking about wormholes, it was easier in gen 6, you just fly and go get them (with piss easy conditions). Though wormholes still take less time than a dynamax adventure, and you don't need to coordinate with irl people. You just don't like them subjectively.

Even if you didn't amass more bottle caps than you would ever need through lotteries and pokepelago during your playthrough (which is likely), bottle caps are guaranteed through the first use of lottery when you install it in the festival plaza, so you have as many as you want for less work than a Blissey or Audino raid.

Buying vitamins is nice, but horde battles were still a faster way to earn EVs. And Pokepelago may have taken longer, but you can do it for free and completely passively, it takes about day for each pokemon (or up to 18 at once).


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BroHelpImStuck posted...

It'll catch up eventually. The gap between profits between Nintendo and Sony/Microsoft/PC is astounding. Nintendo is also losing the youth demographic exponentially. They only can make their money off of vidya boomers, and they are starting to take notice of their anti-consumer bullshit.

Nintendo will be a 3rd party developer within 2 generations.

Nintendo is literally the richest company in Japan
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I'm not sure why people even bother complaining about Nintendo anymore. Most fans are going to play, buy and support their games regardless. And Nintedo knows this and know their methods work. So they arent changing, at least not for the next few decades and the old coats eventually die out or retire.

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Nintendo will always protect their copyright.

Remember how they let Pokemon Plutonium or whatever it was come out for 12 hours and then sent the takedown notice? They did the same thing for the Metroid 2 fan remake.They aren't entirely heartless, but I think the way copyright law works is they can't really let anything go cause it can set a precedent in the future.

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

I wasn't talking about wormholes, it was easier in gen 6, you just fly and go get them (with piss easy conditions). Though wormholes still take less time than a dynamax adventure, and you don't need to coordinate with irl people. You just don't like them subjectively.

Even if you didn't amass more bottle caps than you would ever need through lotteries and pokepelago during your playthrough (which is likely), bottle caps are guaranteed through the first use of lottery when you install it in the festival plaza, so you have as many as you want for less work than a Blissey or Audino raid.

Buying vitamins is nice, but horde battles were still a faster way to earn EVs. And Pokepelago may have taken longer, but you can do it for free and completely passively, it takes about day for each pokemon (or up to 18 at once).

ORAS requires mirage locations, which requires luck. Then you have to catch them at specific times of day, among other things like having max friendship or whatever. And I didn't say I did not like wormholes. Dynamax adventures is simply easier, and actually gives access to every mon since USUM has legendaries split, some of which need to be joined to actually access. Oh, hey, ORAS has that too. So you DO need IRL coordination. Or to play the game twice over and buy it twice.

No, horde battles aren't faster. I walk up to Wyndon, buy all the EVs instantly, and am done. Same with IVs, it takes literal minutes for a gols bottle cap.
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Just let Melee die already.

PokemonYoutube posted...

Just let Melee die already.

imagine being upset that people still play wildly accepted classics

BroHelpImStuck posted...

imagine being upset that people still play wildly accepted classics

They're treating it as some sort of holy grail when it's a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

PokemonYoutube posted...

They're treating it as some sort of holy grail when it's a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

if that were the case it wouldn't be so popular and it wouldn't be a staple in fighting tournements.

i mean do you see street fighter the movie the game being this popular? it was a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

BroHelpImStuck posted...

if that were the case it wouldn't be so popular and it wouldn't be a staple in fighting tournements.

i mean do you see street fighter the movie the game being this popular? it was a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

Iirc, weren't combos a bug in SF2?
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Slayer_22 posted...

Iirc, weren't combos a bug in SF2?

yep same in MK2

combos were literally added to MK3 because of a glitch

BroHelpImStuck posted...

yep same in MK2

combos were literally added to MK3 because of a glitch

Being popular has nothing to do with glitches. There are very popular, super glitchy, unbalanced messes that get popular still.
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PokemonYoutube posted...

They're treating it as some sort of holy grail when it's a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

i always laugh when people say stupid shit like this

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DarkChozoGhost posted...

These have all been just as easy (or easier) in previous games

this is hella false

if im shiny hunting in dynamax adventures and i find something shiny that i want to max, it takes like ten minutes to get it competitively viable (if that)

-buy EV items with the dynamite ores. max out EVs immediately
-use like ten out of the shitloads of XP candy that i've got from raids. level 100 immediately
-TM/TR the right moves, or do the breeding mechanic that allows egg moves to be passed along to already-hatched pokemon (this is a game-changer for me, my first shiny this game was an Aggron that couldn't learn Head Smash because it's an egg move, but someone told me here about that mechanic so now it's awesome)
-ability patch/capsule to correct ability
-bottle cap to perfect IVs

bam

literally the ONLY thing you can't do at this point as far as i know is move from hidden back to a regular ability.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

literally the ONLY thing you can't do at this point as far as i know is move from hidden back to a regular ability.

You also can't get a Pokemon to behave like it has 0 IVs in a stat, which some Pokemon need for Trick Room sets.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

You also can't get a Pokemon to behave like it has 0 IVs in a stat, which some Pokemon need for Trick Room sets.

Those are my only complaints, tbh. Beyond that, the QoL features are incredible.
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Slayer_22 posted...

ORAS requires mirage locations, which requires luck.

Not the ones with legendaries, they're always there.

Slayer_22 posted...

Then you have to catch them at specific times of day, among other things like having max friendship or whatever.

Nearly effortless conditions, most of which you'd have already completed by the time you finish the game.

Slayer_22 posted...

No, horde battles aren't faster. I walk up to Wyndon, buy all the EVs instantly, and am done.

You cut out grinding the money this time. Doesn't take more than 10 minutes, but that's longer than the 3 minutes horde battle take.

Slayer_22 posted...

Same with IVs, it takes literal minutes for a gols bottle cap.

It takes 40 seconds for a bottle cap in the festival plaza. And again, you're likely to have amassed them passively during your playthrough.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad these features are reasonably streamlined (with the DLC), but acting like it's some massive improvement from the past is extremely dishonest. The QoL improvements worth mentioning are nature mints/ability patches, XP candy, and transferring moves at the daycare.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

literally the ONLY thing you can't do at this point as far as i know is move from hidden back to a regular ability.

IIRC if you have a HA you can breed the regular ability but that means raising an entirely new Pokemon.


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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Not the ones with legendaries, they're always there.

Nearly effortless conditions, most of which you'd have already completed by the time you finish the game.

You cut out grinding the money this time. Doesn't take more than 10 minutes, but that's longer than the 3 minutes horde battle take.

It takes 40 seconds for a bottle cap in the festival plaza. And again, you're likely to have amassed them passively during your playthrough.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad these features are reasonably streamlined (with the DLC), but acting like it's some massive improvement from the past is extremely dishonest. The QoL improvements worth mentioning are nature mints/ability patches, XP candy, and transferring moves at the daycare.

It clearly is a massive improvement. I can max EV, IV, level, as well as patch up abilities and add whatever moves I want in maybe a few hours's worth of grinding...to a full party of Pokemon, and change. Even MORE with the DLC. I am 100% certain it'd take much longer and be more difficult in any other game.

Oh, and cool how you left out the part where you didn't recognize the fact that you gotta combine games just to get every legendary, and the massive pain that entire process is. That's cool.
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PokemonYoutube posted...

They're treating it as some sort of holy grail when it's a glitchy mess with horrible balance.

ultimate and 64 are probably the only more balanced titles tbh

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I was addressing specific points. EVs/IVs have been a breeze for generations, as have legendaries.

The leveling is the biggest improvement IMO, in most games it's been a hassle to hit 100. Mints and the daycare thing are nice because they let you make caught pokemon viable, instead of needing to breed new ones, but natures and egg moves haven't been a problem when breeding for a long time. I'm glad we have it, my event Shiny Gengar with a Jolly nature can become usable finally, but for most teambuilding it's irrelevant.

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