Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 342: Joe Bidwin

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anyway to first reply to the last response to me, someone who misunderstood all my comments, then I replied to your misunderstanding by further clarifying, only to be told you misunderstood me again for the 40th time...definitely a problem with me and not you, when everyone else seems to understand me just fine.

Everybody else understands?

lmao

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I'm just going to let this discussion die after this post, because I don't even have a clue where those two responses are coming from or what I said they are responding to.

I gave a reasonable way that unity could be attempted and Republicans could feel heard, without being endorsed in policy, by advocating for audits for the elections and actions that could be taken to improve the elections going forward to avoid a scenario where foul play could even seem like it was at fault. That is a way to legitimately try to unify with the right without concessions, it is actual change and action being taken to make things better.

Biden is using the rhetoric of unification, but his idea of it is to divide - he wants centrist liberals to work with never trump republicans at the expense of the voices of the far left and trump supporters. He isn't trying to heal America, he is trying to lull his comfortable supporters into a sense of calm because he is at the helm, while he runs yet another right wing presidency that changes nothing and all of the hurt and rot that leads to men like Trump will still be there. That isn't going to de-radicalize or unify anyone but his own constituency - the center.

Obama didn't de-radicalize the far right or the far left, he stoked the flames, the right got more unhinged and the left started to actually exist after it was essentially stamped out. Divisiveness is inevitable, and not always bad. If, like the example given in the tweet about Australia, both parties agree on not tackling Climate Change, and you want Climate Change tackled, you would benefit from a more divisive country on that issue, not a unified one. If you want a party that WANTS medicare for all, a party that WANTS to cut down the MIC, a party that WANTS to fix our criminal justice system and PIC, etc. the US doesn't have that, they have a government trying to unify a majority that accepts little to no progress on those fronts, despite the public being in favor of change. Those need to be more divisive areas, and unity rhetoric does not help to accomplish any of those goals.

You say that people cannot possibly understand any policies - okay, then why is everyone always assuming that the GOP or centrist dems are being reasonably endorsed by people voting for them?

If you are going to assume huge swaths of people are too stupid to understand what they are voting for, then you cannot also say that the Democrats must go right wing to achieve unity. The reason people vote for the GOP could also entirely be because the Democrats DON'T stand out enough from the GOP. It could be because they don't trust the government to do anything but be culture war because it has failed to ever help them, and they are socially right wing. It could be they are like Extha, and just find the libs annoying and think voting is pointless except to annoy them.

So no - 48% of the country did not like what Trump was selling. People have massively different reasons for voting for someone. Only 60 something percent even voted. And again - divisiveness comes in many forms. From the right, yes, it is almost always bad and just racism, sexism, homophobia, hating the poor, denying reality etc. But the center left without any divisiveness is just the Clinton administration without a sex scandal - meaning Republican rule with a D next to the name. If you want to go to a BLM protest and yell "THIS IS TOO DIVISIVE!! WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER IF YOU WANT CHANGE!!" at the protesters, who have been desperately pleading for change for decades with no action but just continually being ignored by the same moderates who claim to be turned off by the protests while the police are beating them, who Biden rhetorically supports and does not want to change in any way, then that is what Joe Biden is peddling, and it is patently ridiculous.

A consensus of comfortable moderates saying nothing will change needs WAY more division, not unity, if your perspective is anything but (which is what the far left wants or what trump supporters or what third party voters or what nonvoters want), and therefore the idea that Biden is promoting unity is false, he is promoting his own
coalitions victory.

I requoted your post and split it into more readable chunks, giving him the benefit of the doubt that he just didn't read it.

I'm gonna give the shortest possible tl;dr in a separate post in case he just skips this whole post because it contains this.

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what posts of mine have you not understood, account I have never in my life interacted with?

Tl;dr that post, in my opinion. Please tell me if I'm wrong fuming

If you think saying "We need to bring people together at the center" is the only way to get things done, allow me to point to a few things:

Obama's Presidency. He ran on being a true visionary progressive, and then the Democrats spent 8 years trying desperately to work with Republicans, and it literally led to the rise of the Palin/Glen Beck/Trumpian Right Wing that has now completely consumed the Republican Party.

It ALSO led to the appearance of the "Left", which is to say, people disillusioned by Obama not actually being a progressive saw Bernie pointing out actual substantive issues and they said "yeah--we like that!!" That is currently alive in "The Squad", and is growing.

Last point before this surpasses tl;dr territory: People didn't necessarily vote for Trump because they like what he's offering. Plenty voted specifically because they don't like what the Democratic Party is offering--namely "A return to normalcy", aka a literal return to the things that CREATED TRUMP.

If the Dems just run these next 4 years like Obama, Trump 2.0 in motherfucking Matt Gaetz or Tom Cotton or some other shithead will blow Kamala out of the fucking water in 2024, and you honestly can't say they won't when you consider Trump lost by a margin LESS than the votes Jo Jorgensen got.

If there's a better Green candidate or a worse Jo, are you willing to bet on 2016 or 2020 again?

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where's the politics tag tho

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oh shit, add the flair @fuming before it's too late

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(don't want to make my post unreadable so offering emoji alternatives from now on)

I can't edit anything, too low level, so if anyone else wants to make a new topic, go for it.

fuming posted...

what posts of mine have you not understood, account I have never in my life interacted with?

Anyway, the other topic closed on me while trying to reply. Tony did a good job but I'll try to offer a little bit of advice. If you want your posts to be readable, you need occasional line breaks. I'm not entirely sure of your familiarity with english formatting, but if you aren't sure where to do so, just take 3-5 sentences and then insert a line break. It will help immensely even if the structure isn't correct.

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thank you for incredibly not replying and just repeating formatting issues

Its 4am and I'm tired and about ready to go to sleep. You don't want me trying to comprehend anything at this point. My brain is off and this is just wind down mode. The previous post was just already archived in my brain.

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@ExThaNemesis

You are getting your student loan forgiven. Just with caveats.

Like, having to start and run a business in a community that will likely loot and burn it down any time something they don't like happens.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1155305122911723526

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You might want to check the date on that one, Corrik.

Also, anyone wanna remake this with the flair?

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Yeah I can

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I mean ideally it's flat but realistically I'd expect something similar to that year and a half year old tweet.


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You'll always notice that the right always expects us to shift right, but they never shift left. We can't work with them until they shift left. Seems simple enough for me. If they keep dragging us right, and we keep letting them...

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Mods please delete this there's no politics tag
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KingButz posted...

Mods please delete this there's no politics tag

or just don't fucking click on it

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Bump

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I actually think fuming is right on the money with that post. They were quick to reach out to Trump supporters, but not as quick as they threw progressives under the bus and propping up "socialism" as a bogeyman that caused the house to lose reps.

You might say they're reaching out to Trump supporters to quell the real threat of protests/violence on their part, but the eagerness to "move back to the center" and "get back to normal" is gross and overlooks the huge issues that face this country

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NFUN posted...

KingButz posted...

Mods please delete this there's no politics tag

or just don't f***ing click on it

No I don't want to see it
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KingButz posted...

No I don't want to see it

I know that "Joe Bidwin" isn't a great topic title, but you'll get over it

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KingButz posted...

No I don't want to see it

there's literally a "hide topic" option y'know

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KingButz posted...

No I don't want to see it

And yet you keep posting in it, making it more visible when the topic was abandoned.

xp1337 posted...

there's literally a "hide topic" option y'know

no the mods have to delete this topic. this is the only solution that will satisfy him.

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I understand complaining about a politics topic ages ago, but there is "Hide Topic" now so.... why complain?

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Holy shit people I dont actually expect the mods to delete this

Calm down
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Umbreon posted...

I understand complaining about a politics topic ages ago, but there is "Hide Topic" now so.... why complain?

woah i don't know if I just forgot but 5-ish months since it's been a thing I didn't notice

tested it out on this one and it's actually effective

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Is this really the politics topic or is there gonna be a better one?

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Is this really the politics topic or is there gonna be a better one?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79094907

on page 3 now

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Ah thanks

Ya thanks

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