Poll of the Day > Man who tried to KILL Gretchen Whitmer BEGS for Release cause he has DIABETES!!!

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26 y/o Kaleb Franks, one of the men facing federal charges for attempting to kidnap and kill Michigan Governor, Gretchen Whitmer is BEGGING a judge to reconsider her decision to keep him in jail because he fears he may catch COVID-19 since he has DIABETES!!

He was busted 3 weeks ago after undercover FBI agents and an informant blew the whistle on their scheme

He was part of a surveillance operation outside Whitmer's Cottage and was one of the 5 suspects who drove to a meeting hoping to buy EXPLOSIVES and tactical gear only to get arrested

Franks is a recovering HEROIN addict and was sent to prison for cocaine and for home invasion but insists he "turned his life aorund"..until this happened.

Judge Sally Berens said Franks was a danger to the community and should be held in custody awaiting trial

She said "I don't have a crystal ball. I don't have any ability to see the future. The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. This is a very serious crime"

Lawyers are arguing he should be released both on health grounds and that he's a "low flight risk" as he has diabetes and high cholesterol who needs insulin daily and fears he'll contract the deadly virus

They also point out he has his own house and a good job at "Meridian Health Systems" that helps pay for his drug and alcohol addicts before his arrest and lives with his fiance and her mother both with clean records

He said his client helped others with their drug addictions and represents the "ideal of a once drug offender turning his life around"

But prosecutors said he was deeply involved in a self styled militia's plot and told them he was "in for anything". He even expressed concerns that the FBI was TAILING them and that one of them could be an INFORMANT

Do you think they should let this racist out since he could die from COVID-19?

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He is an incredibly dangerous individual who belongs in prison.

He should have thought of that before he decided to become a traitor.

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We have diabetics at my unit. They havent been bitching and even had their dorm quarantined a few times since the pandemic startes.

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Full Throttle posted...

Lawyers are arguing he should be released both on health grounds and that he's a "low flight risk" as he has diabetes and high cholesterol who needs insulin daily and fears he'll contract the deadly virus

Do these criminal defense lawyers ever get depressed with what they have to argue for?

Because I'm imagining the lawyer just like "oh, here we go again, gonna have to try my best to spin this bullshit against the court... -sighs-

your honor... he is a low flight risk (dear god please buy it)"

i mean cause obviously his health problems didn't prevent him from committing the crimes that he did

Though, I guess the point is that they are doing their job, I'm assuming they're still getting paid regardless of the outcome, so...

BlackScythe0 posted...

He is an incredibly dangerous individual

Oh lawdy.

He has no training, no skills, and was easily discovered & arrested... and that's on top of his prior history. If they wanted to slap an ankle monitor on him and have him on house arrest until his trial, they easily could with zero risk to anybody.

And on a general level, during the pandemic the courts system probably should be doing more ankle monitors, etc, for people awaiting trial.


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He should fight to stay incarcerated. Diabetes supplies are much more expensive on the outside.

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Zeus posted...

Oh lawdy.

He has no training, no skills, and was easily discovered & arrested... and that's on top of his prior history. If they wanted to slap an ankle monitor on him and have him on house arrest until his trial, they easily could with zero risk to anybody.

And on a general level, during the pandemic the courts system probably should be doing more ankle monitors, etc, for people awaiting trial.

He's a domestic terrorist.

Full Throttle posted...

Lawyers are arguing he should be released both on health grounds and that he's a "low flight risk" as he has diabetes and high cholesterol who needs insulin daily and fears he'll contract the deadly virus

Almost like he is implying prisoners do not get basic medical aid...

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"I want to kidnap and murder the governor for making us take precautions against a disease that isn't that dangerous."
"Oh no please don't increase my risk of contracting this dangerous disease I don't want to die"

Right. Tough titties, terrorist. Nobody believes this is anything other than a disingenuous attempt to get better treatment than he deserves.

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If we want to reduce risk of covid spread in over crowded prisons, then we should imprison fewer people for nonviolent offenses.

Conspiring to commit terrorism is obviously not one such offense.

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Clench281 posted...

If we want to reduce risk of covid spread in over crowded prisons, then we should imprison fewer people for nonviolent offenses.

Conspiring to commit terrorism is obviously not one such offense.

But Clench, you don't understand! Those people had marijuana! There's no way it could be safe to let them out. This guy, though, never actually hurt anyone, so it's fine to just do house arrest for him.

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Just shoot the fucking terrorist then, that way he won't have to worry. Not like he deserves any better.

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Nope, he deserves to die a slow and painful death in prison.

In fact, he should just ask for a nice big cake as his final meal so he can have a sweet death.


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nah keep him in jail

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He plotted to kill someone, this isn't a victimless crime, so no

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Throw the book at him.

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> Mad at the governor for trying to enforce COVID safety measures
> Protests against said safety measures in packed maskless groups
> Hatches plot to kidnap and murder the governor over said safety measures
> Is now in jail
> Conveniently, he suddenly is concerned about COVID now that it's an excuse to bail him out of jail

Did that about sum up this whole saga?

vagrant posted...

Throw the book at him.

BlackScythe0 posted...

He's a domestic terrorist.

Who at that point had only conspired to do harm and quietly surrendered to the FBI during a sting. There's no reason why he can't be placed on house arrest and monitored until his trial as a reasonable accommodation for his medical condition.

Your "incredibly dangerous individual" argument might have more weight if he had shot at arresting officers or had the kind of training that would make him a credible threat, but at this point he's only a co-conspirator and, I might add, at least one of his co-conspirators was already released on bail

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-charged-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-released-bail-73714803

And people who were accused of carrying out a kidnapping or murder (ie, not just conspiring to do so) also have received bail or been put under house arrest in the past. There's nothing to suggest that it wouldn't be feasible here as well. Contrary to your assessment, he's an ex-junkie former thief, not an ex-marine or McGuyver. And, if you truly claim to be interested in the cause of justice, you'd want him to be alive to serve out his full sentence rather than die before he gets a trial.

Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

He should fight to stay incarcerated. Diabetes supplies are much more expensive on the outside.

Private prisons, bro. He might not be able to stamp enough license plates at below-sweat-shop-labor rates to afford his meds.


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Muscles posted...

He plotted to kill someone, this isn't a victimless crime, so no

Killing somebody isn't a victimless crime (because somebody dies), but plotting doesn't necessarily have a victim unless the crime is actually carried out. For example, if somebody wrote out an elaborate plan but never acted on it, then there'd be no victims. Before you criticize the semantics, keep in mind that just in the last month we saw a guy arrested on child porn charges who plotted a mass shooting in 2019 -- including buying weapons, making maps, scouting locations, etc -- who never followed through and, up until his arrest, the people he intended to kill never even knew about the plot.


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Zeus posted...

Who at that point had only conspired to do harm and quietly surrendered to the FBI during a sting. There's no reason why he can't be placed on house arrest and monitored until his trial as a reasonable accommodation for his medical condition.

Dude, he's a terrorist. Terrorists don't deserve rights.

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KaijunoKami posted...

Dude, he's a terrorist. Terrorists don't deserve rights.

zeus, is a huge supporter of qanon, and the bugaloo boys, take what you want from that to explain why he says what he does, ok?

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Zeus posted...

Killing somebody isn't a victimless crime (because somebody dies), but plotting doesn't necessarily have a victim unless the crime is actually carried out. For example, if somebody wrote out an elaborate plan but never acted on it, then there'd be no victims. Before you criticize the semantics, keep in mind that just in the last month we saw a guy arrested on child porn charges who plotted a mass shooting in 2019 -- including buying weapons, making maps, scouting locations, etc -- who never followed through and, up until his arrest, the people he intended to kill never even knew about the plot.

Once the people know of the plan though they are victims in my opinion. Especially if the "mastermind" is still free. The fear of knowing what coulda been or might still happen.


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mooreandrew58 posted...

Once the people know of the plan though they are victims in my opinion. Especially if the "mastermind" is still free. The fear of knowing what coulda been or might still happen.

ClarkDuke posted...

zeus, is a huge supporter of qanon, and the bugaloo boys, take what you want from that to explain why he says what he does, ok?

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Is zues really advocating for this guy? Geez.

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