Current Events > Did you know you can go to jail if you don't pay rent?

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Shablagoo posted...

What? No. I said the opposite of that. By charging rent they are building equity on someone elses money.

And? You're presenting that as if it's a bad thing. How old are you? Do you own land? I feel like an adult who pays a mortgage would not be presenting profit as a bad thing.

Grow up

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Shablagoo posted...

It wasnt in response to you, just a relevant piece of information. A lot of property is inherited.

But hey everyone, we should probably stop engaging with a New User 48 karma alt.

"I have no argument, continue to cling to my anecdotal evidence, dont understand land ownership, but lol @ ur gamefacks karma!!!"

Wow, you sure got me

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shockthemonkey posted...

Its weird that you thought that made any sense

It's pathetic and very telling that it doesnt make sense to you. Since that's literally what happens.

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PoundGarden posted...

And? You're presenting that as if it's a bad thing. How old are you? Do you own land? I feel like an adult who pays a mortgage would not be presenting profit as a bad thing.

Ok, buy me a house then. Whats that, you dont want to? Then you dont want landlords.

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averagejoel posted...

owning something, regardless of whether or not that thing makes you money, is not a job

So you're going to pretend landowners dont have to invest in and perform maintenance on their properties? Also going to pretend most property owners didnt work their asses of to acquire their properties through, yknow, a job?

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I mean the majority of rental units are owned by businesses

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PoundGarden posted...

So you're going to pretend landowners dont have to invest in and perform maintenance on their properties?

In Arkansas they do not

If you had an interest in the topic I had presented you would know that.

I posted a story about a tenant who got a $20,000 bill from her landlord because his floor caved in on her

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PoundGarden posted...

So you're going to pretend landowners dont have to invest in and perform maintenance on their properties?

they do not have to perform maintenance. generally they pay someone else to do it.

Also going to pretend most property owners didnt work their asses of to acquire their properties through, yknow, a job?

that has no bearing on whether owning something is itself a job

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All you folks demonizing landlords because "profit BAD RAAAR!!!" "get a jerb RAAR!!!" let me ask you this:

Like, you guys DO understand if they dont make money there is ZERO incentive to rent our property, right? What exactly is their motivation if they're not supposed to make money off tenants? You folks DO understand literally nobody would rent property if they couldn't or were not allowed to profit, right?

Holy fuck

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averagejoel posted...

they do not have to perform maintenance. generally they pay someone else to do it.

that has no bearing on whether owning something is itself a job

Think really, really hard about what you just said.

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PoundGarden posted...

All you folks demonizing landlords

no one is demonizing landlords lol

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PoundGarden posted...

All you folks demonizing landlords because "profit BAD RAAAR!!!" "get a jerb RAAR!!!" let me ask you this:

Let me ask you something, why does that bother you more than this seems to:
Balrog0 posted...

From 2015
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/16/can-you-go-to-jail-for-not-paying-rent

On an otherwise unremarkable day last July, Artoria Smith of Little Rock, Ark. was in her kitchen with an armful of laundry when, she says, she fell through the floor. Before she knew it, her refrigerator had sunk halfway into the basement.

Thats how she learned that the floors in her townhouse, where she had lived for more than 20 years, were rotting.

According to Smith and her attorney, she called her landlord, Primo Novero, and also registered a complaint with the citys housing authority, regarding a number of unsafe conditions in the house. Novero came over, placed a plank of wood over the hole in the floorboards, and asked her for $700, which he estimated to be THE COST OF REPAIRS1. She told him she only had $400, her usual rent. He left.

THE COST OF REPAIRS1
Arkansas is the only state in the nation with no "implied warranty of habitality," meaning that the state's landlords are not legally responsible for repairs and maintenance.

Hours later, he returned, armed with a green slip Ten-Day Notice to Vacate, it said and told her that she owed $22,353 in back rent, a sum she says he came up with out of the blue as payback for reporting him.

Smith, who supports her 15-year-old son, Willie, on a fixed income, says she could not afford the deposit for a new apartment on such short notice.

After ten days, the police showed up at Smiths door, and fingerprinted her in her house. They had a warrant for her arrest, but, mainly because the city jails were overcrowded, she was not officially arrested.

Several weeks later, Smith was found guilty of failure to vacate her home. She was now a convicted criminal.

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PoundGarden posted...

Think really, really hard about what you just said.

do you agree that paying someone to do something is different from doing that thing yourself?

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averagejoel posted...

do you agree that paying someone to do something is different from doing that thing yourself?

Are you suggesting "building manager" isn't an actual job? Because it is.

Regardless, whether the landowner does the work/maintenance themselves or contracts it out, they're working or paying for it. And if they're paying for it, that money has to come from somewhere, yes?

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if it's about money, why have the number of landlords accepting housing vouchers declined even as the number of landlords is at an all time high?

As a liberal I could not understand this, or why people who claim to believe in some sort of balance in power between tenants and landlords never actually seem to care in practice about tenants -- even when the system is clearly in favor of landlords, as it is in Arkansas

Thank God for socialism and my new perspective on things

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PoundGarden posted...

Are you suggesting "building manager" isn't an actual job? Because it is.

no, I'm saying that owning something is not a job. "owner" and "building manager" are not the same thing. please stop conflating them.

Regardless, whether the landowner does the work/maintenance themselves or contracts it out, they're working or paying for it. And if they're paying for it, that money has to come from somewhere, yes?

yes, and I never suggested otherwise.

believe it or not, the property manager's services are not the only thing that tenants pay for

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Balrog0 posted...

if it's about money, why have the number of landlords accepting housing vouchers declined even as the number of landlords is at an all time high?

As a liberal I could not understand this, or why people who claim to believe in some sort of balance in power between tenants and landlords never actually seem to care in practice about tenants -- even when the system is clearly in favor of landlords, as it is in Arkansas

Thank God for socialism and my new perspective on things

ok dude can you just talk like a real person? what's your game here?

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'talk like a real person' that's rich coming from you

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Balrog0 posted...

As a liberal I could not understand this, or why people who claim to believe in some sort of balance in power between tenants and landlords never actually seem to care in practice about tenants -- even when the system is clearly in favor of landlords, as it is in Arkansas

Thank God for socialism and my new perspective on things

My God, he has transformed into a butterfly! Fly! Fly!

Make us proud

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averagejoel posted...

no, I'm saying that owning something is not a job. "owner" and "building manager" are not the same thing. please stop conflating them.

Grow up. Owning a business, and renting properties absolutely falls under that category, is literally a job. Do you seriously think these folks just sit on their asses all day and their only "work" is depositing the checks? Get real.

averagejoel posted...

yes, and I never suggested otherwise.

believe it or not, the property manager's services are not the only thing that tenants pay for

No shit. They are paying to live in someone else's home, on someone else's land. Why do you feel landowners are not entitled to a profit for their products and services? Just owning a home is an astronomical expense and time sink, much less trying to make a profit off it and hope to hell your tenants dont trash the place or stiff you on rent.

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I feel like this topic is about renters who don't know much about owning property vs property owners trying to explain how much work goes into owning

One is experienced while the other is just mad at the game

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I feel like this topic is about renters who don't know much about owning property vs property owners trying to explain how much work goes into owning

One is experienced while the other is just mad at the game

Lmao

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Once again, it's just kind of crazy that people can spin this topic about a policy that only exists in one state out of 50

Into how renters are ignorant and people shouldn't be mad about rent (oh and landlords need money because of covid too)

Astounding

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I feel like this topic is about renters who don't know much about owning property vs property owners trying to explain how much work goes into owning

One is experienced while the other is just mad at the game

Basically. Apparently it's unethical to "build equity off someone else's money" but it's totally cool to live in someone else's home rent and/or profit free while they assume all the expense and risk becuse...I dont fucking know, I guess hippies are still a thing LMAO

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shockthemonkey posted...

If there wasnt rent, housing would be affordable. And that is bad! is certainly a compelling argument against landlords.

...who's making that argument?

PoundGarden posted...

they're working or paying for it. And if they're paying for it, that money has to come from somewhere

i had to ask for a replacement oven coil. had to file a work order with the building manager. they taken care of it within several days.

but it came out of pocket for them.
though the complex i live in has 30 apartments paying rent (some of them rent controlled based on income).
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kingdrake2 posted...

i had to ask for a replacement oven coil. had to file a work order with the building manager. they taken care of it within several days.

but it came out of pocket for them.

Balrog0 posted...

Balrog0 posted...
From 2015
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/16/can-you-go-to-jail-for-not-paying-rent

On an otherwise unremarkable day last July, Artoria Smith of Little Rock, Ark. was in her kitchen with an armful of laundry when, she says, she fell through the floor. Before she knew it, her refrigerator had sunk halfway into the basement.

Thats how she learned that the floors in her townhouse, where she had lived for more than 20 years, were rotting.

According to Smith and her attorney, she called her landlord, Primo Novero, and also registered a complaint with the citys housing authority, regarding a number of unsafe conditions in the house. Novero came over, placed a plank of wood over the hole in the floorboards, and asked her for $700, which he estimated to be THE COST OF REPAIRS1. She told him she only had $400, her usual rent. He left.

THE COST OF REPAIRS1
Arkansas is the only state in the nation with no "implied warranty of habitality," meaning that the state's landlords are not legally responsible for repairs and maintenance.

Hours later, he returned, armed with a green slip Ten-Day Notice to Vacate, it said and told her that she owed $22,353 in back rent, a sum she says he came up with out of the blue as payback for reporting him.

Smith, who supports her 15-year-old son, Willie, on a fixed income, says she could not afford the deposit for a new apartment on such short notice.

After ten days, the police showed up at Smiths door, and fingerprinted her in her house. They had a warrant for her arrest, but, mainly because the city jails were overcrowded, she was not officially arrested.

Several weeks later, Smith was found guilty of failure to vacate her home. She was now a convicted criminal.

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Balrog0 posted...

Once again, it's just kind of crazy that people can spin this topic about a policy that only exists in one state out of 50

Into how renters are ignorant and people shouldn't be mad about rent (oh and landlords need money because of covid too)

Astounding

Yes, your entitlement and lack of understanding is simply astounding. Give one good reason why it's fair for renters to receive protections during Covid while property owners are left holding the bag wondering how the fuck they're going to keep their homes.

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shockthemonkey posted...

All while acting like most landlords are hard working individuals who maintain rental property in their free time

In a topic about Arkansas where the legal responsibility to maintain rental property doesn't even exist

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PoundGarden posted...

Yes, your entitlement and lack of understanding is simply astounding. Give one good reason why it's fair for renters to receive protections during Covid while property owners are left holding the bag wondering how the fuck they're going to keep their homes.

Hey buddy I asked you a question first

Balrog0 posted...

Let me ask you something, why does that bother you more than this seems to:
Balrog0 posted...
From 2015
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/16/can-you-go-to-jail-for-not-paying-rent

On an otherwise unremarkable day last July, Artoria Smith of Little Rock, Ark. was in her kitchen with an armful of laundry when, she says, she fell through the floor. Before she knew it, her refrigerator had sunk halfway into the basement.

Thats how she learned that the floors in her townhouse, where she had lived for more than 20 years, were rotting.

According to Smith and her attorney, she called her landlord, Primo Novero, and also registered a complaint with the citys housing authority, regarding a number of unsafe conditions in the house. Novero came over, placed a plank of wood over the hole in the floorboards, and asked her for $700, which he estimated to be THE COST OF REPAIRS1. She told him she only had $400, her usual rent. He left.

THE COST OF REPAIRS1
Arkansas is the only state in the nation with no "implied warranty of habitality," meaning that the state's landlords are not legally responsible for repairs and maintenance.

Hours later, he returned, armed with a green slip Ten-Day Notice to Vacate, it said and told her that she owed $22,353 in back rent, a sum she says he came up with out of the blue as payback for reporting him.

Smith, who supports her 15-year-old son, Willie, on a fixed income, says she could not afford the deposit for a new apartment on such short notice.

After ten days, the police showed up at Smiths door, and fingerprinted her in her house. They had a warrant for her arrest, but, mainly because the city jails were overcrowded, she was not officially arrested.

Several weeks later, Smith was found guilty of failure to vacate her home. She was now a convicted criminal.

Not my fault you can't understand this isn't about covid at all

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I have been involved in campaigns to change this law for six years

I do think home owners and more should have been given relief. I don't like the president's executive orders and the cdc moratorium because they are insufficient.

Congress dropped the ball

Now back to the topic at hand

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shockthemonkey posted...

All while acting like most landlords are hard working individuals who maintain rental property in their free time

One, many landlords DO still hold full or part time jobs.

Two, even if they didnt and all they did was property rental and management, so the fuck what?

Christ your entitlement is sickening. What they do in their "free time" or whether they hold a 9-5 or not is no concern of yours or any tenants. All that matters is they own the property, you dont. Don't like it? Stop whining and buy your own property and enjoy all the expenses and bullshit that comes with it. Otherwise stfu and pay your rent, god damn.

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Also what's my entitlement?

I feel like renters are entitled to basic rights, which they are in every other state except mine

I don't give a shit because it benefits me personally you doofus

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shockthemonkey posted...

Ok buddy

So I guess I'm right then, great talk and just a stellar rebuttal there chief.

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Balrog0 posted...

Now back to the topic at hand

Have you read Trotsky's book yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Betrayed

It's, strangely, a mirror of that Fisher book from several posts ago.
Bureaucracy can't not exist, for some reason.

Literally nobody is saying renters dont deserve rights and protections. Where are you getting that from?

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PoundGarden posted...

Literally nobody is saying renters dont deserve rights and protections. Where are you getting that from?

Evictions not being criminal is one of those protections that doesn't exist in my state, this topic is about it and you guys are okay with it.

It's not clear where you stand otherwise because you keep wanting to talk about covid which as I've repeatedly explained to you is beside the point.

I'm honestly not sure why that's so hard for you to grasp. I've also shared another example of how landlords abuse this system and you haven't acknowledged it, even though it undercuts your arguments about what landlords are responsible for.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Have you read Trotsky's book yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Revolution_Betrayed

It's, strangely, a mirror of that Fisher book from several posts ago.
Bureaucracy can't not exist, for some reason.

Funnily enough I am busy doing a campaign plan for this very issue

But I might read some socialist literature later

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Balrog0 posted...

Evictions not being criminal is one of those protections that doesn't exist in my state, this topic is about it and you guys are okay with it.

It's not clear where you stand otherwise because you keep wanting to talk about covid which as I've repeatedly explained to you is beside the point.

I'm honestly not sure why that's so hard for you to grasp. I've also shared another example of how landlords abuse this system and you haven't acknowledged it, even though it undercuts your arguments about what landlords are responsible for.

Well I tend not to judge the whole based on the actions of a few, and certainly dont believe in writing broad sweeping legislation around it that in the end weakens the rights of landowners as a whole. Overall most landlords are very reasonable and take good care of their properties. It is literally in their best interest to do so, only the shittiest of people dont care about being wrapped up in the legal process because it's easier to take advantage of people who dont have the means to fight. It's far easier and hassle free to provide good housing and take care of your tenants and have property people want to rent.

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PoundGarden posted...

It is literally in their best interest to do so, only the shittiest of people dont care about being wrapped up in the legal process because it's easier to take advantage of people who dont have the means to fight.

You really don't seem to understand.

What legal process? There is nothing illegal about it. That's the point

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If you mean utilizing criminal evictions as a landlord, you should read the article to understand why you would do that.

If it was available to you as a landlord I bet you'd use it sometimes. It's fiscally prudent

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