Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 330: ...yes

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StealThisSheen posted...

Remember, taking somebody's license away for continuous drunk driving offenses is too far, but taking away somebody's kid and losing them is a-okay!

For the heinous crime of leaving their country because they wanted to find a better life for their family.

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Corrik7 posted...

Uh, why would I expect the federal government to sit there and babysit my home and possessions while I am incarcerated for doing a crime? They aren't a nanny or sitter. If I was worried about my possessions and such, I probably shouldn't have committed a crime that put them at risk or had a better plan for how to care for them.

This is truly the most baffling take you've ever had.

Imagine if when you got picked up for your 1st, 2nd, or 3rd DUI that you got home to find out literally everything you own was just...gone. You're honestly going to sit here and say you'd be ok with that "because you shouldn't have broken the law in the first place"?

Nobody believes that, my guy, you yourself think your arrests were bullshit, come on.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Again, where is due process

What would you propose the due process be? If someone is trespassing, do you release them back onto the trespassed property until you can prove they trespassed the first time?

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Dancedreamer posted...

For the heinous crime of leaving their country because they wanted to find a better life for their family.

"You don't need a better life for your family if you have no family! LOSE 'DEM KIDS!" - Corrik 2024

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Corrik7 posted...

What would you propose the due process be? If someone is trespassing, do you release them back onto the trespassed property until you can prove they trespassed the first time?

Historically, yes! Thats how it used to work and it worked well!
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Also this is a good time to remember:

There are American Veterans who (let's not forget how much conservatives love trotting them out when they need them) fought in Vietnam and Iraq, and were PROMISED citizenship who were deported and are separated from their families as well, unable to return until they die (at which point the state will gladly accept them again)

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Also Rush Limbaugh's cancer is terminal

Presented without comment

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Jakyl25 posted...

Historically, yes! Thats how it used to work and it worked well!

That's pretty illogical. Wouldn't you agree?

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https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/562/

Helpful data that shows how the vast majority of undocumented immigrants show up for their court dates
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is truly the most baffling take you've ever had.

Imagine if when you got picked up for your 1st, 2nd, or 3rd DUI that you got home to find out literally everything you own was just...gone. You're honestly going to sit here and say you'd be ok with that "because you shouldn't have broken the law in the first place"?

Nobody believes that, my guy, you yourself think your arrests were bullshit, come on.

He regularly complains about your driver's license being able to be taken away, so his argument now absolutely does not track.

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Corrik7 posted...

That's pretty illogical. Wouldn't you agree?

No, because it worked
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

chris keeps insisting that he's a good guy, actually.

Chris can't afford to lose any more mafia players

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Corrik7 posted...

That's pretty illogical. Wouldn't you agree?

But it WORKS tho

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KamikazePotato posted...

Also Rush Limbaugh's cancer is terminal

Presented without comment

Saw he was trending, figured whatever it was for wouldn't be worth the effort to click.

Was correct.

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Jakyl25 posted...

No, because it worked

Doesn't seem like it worked well. Nearly 20% did not attend all their hearings as presented above, if we accept those as accurate.

Thus, 1 in 5 do not do what they are supposed to do. 20% is an extremely high rate of not following through which means there is a major risk of not showing and the bail process for that crime is likely not working. Also, considering the fact that releasing said people's back into the country itself is releasing them back into another crime. The appropriate response would be to detain until the case is settled or remove back to home country where the case could be settled from there.

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Corrik7 posted...

Also, considering the fact that releasing said people's back into the country itself is releasing them back into another crime.

This is illogical.

They are still committing the same crime even when they are in US custody.

And I would say 80% chance of the process working is better for America and Americans than family separation
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Corrik7 posted...

Doesn't seem like it worked well. Nearly 20% did not attend all their hearings as presented above, if we accept those as accurate.

Thus, 1 in 5 do not do what they are supposed to do. 20% is an extremely high rate of not following through which means there is a major risk of not showing and the bail process for that crime is likely not working. Also, considering the fact that releasing said people's back into the country itself is releasing them back into another crime. The appropriate response would be to detain until the case is settled or remove back to home country where the case could be settled from there.

You know, the failure to appear rate for general misdemeanors is an average of almost 15%. Guess they should've just locked you up for your DUIs and took everything you own.

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Speaking of breaking the law...

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/10/20/brevard-voters-threatened-emails-purportedly-proud-boys/5997458002/

Proud Boys send threatening emails to Florida Voters.

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The bottom line is that Corrik believes that the absolute sovereignty of America by any means necessary is more important than the lives of the undocumented immigrants, and we all disagree, as does the majority of America
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Dancedreamer posted...

Speaking of breaking the law...

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2020/10/20/brevard-voters-threatened-emails-purportedly-proud-boys/5997458002/

Proud Boys send threatening emails to Florida Voters.

There's pretty much no chance they don't end up on the domestic terrorism list under a Biden administration.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/20/us/compton-guaranteed-income-trnd/index.html

The program is slated to begin later this year with a select group of "pre-verified" residents who will receive monthly cash payments ranging from $300 to $600 over a two-year period. It will also be available to "irregularly or informally employed residents, immigrants of varied legal status, and the formerly incarcerated."

Oh no they might help out illegal immigrants with tax dollars, call the cops
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Corrik doesn't seem to know that by detaining absolutely everyonethe system is over stressed and resources arent being effectively used to selectively target the (few) immigrants with violent histories or who may be involved with the drug cartels.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that the current administration is making legal immigration all but impossible.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that when people get arrested their personal objects (including vehicles which can be impounded) are kept track of and they get returned to the individual when they are released.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that human children are more important than whatever random shit you have in your pockets when you get processed.

I'm sure I'd only he knew those things he wouldn't have such disgusting opinions.

:thinking:

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVu4fDHYJgVTHVnZjg5R0JXQmxVNi1la0IzX1o2X0RTZ09j/view

Question 31.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-black-americans-prefer-deportation-illegal-paul-bois

Jakyl25 posted...

The bottom line is that Corrik believes that the absolute sovereignty of America by any means necessary is more important than the lives of the undocumented immigrants, and we all disagree, as does the majority of America

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Trump continues to make the case for Biden

https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1318707740504514561

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Corrik doesn't seem to know that by detaining absolutely everyonethe system is over stressed and resources arent being effectively used to selectively target the (few) immigrants with violent histories or who may be involved with the drug cartels.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that the current administration is making legal immigration all but impossible.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that when people get arrested their personal objects (including vehicles which can be impounded) are kept track of and they get returned to the individual when they are released.

Corrik also doesn't seem to know that human children are more important than whatever random shit you have in your pockets when you get processed.

I'm sure I'd only he knew those things he wouldn't have such disgusting opinions.

:thinking:

What you don't realize is they want to detain parents with their children, but the law forbids them to do so. Thus, you get the situation you have. Maybe the laws should change so the entire family can be detained together before being deported or found innocent and released.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm sure I'd only he knew those things he wouldn't have such disgusting opinions.

Naw, he's just a truly disgusting human being to his core.

I would assume he would take the stance that even if they located the parents of these children that they should remain separated as a punishment.

Forgive me if he's already actually made that argument.

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of course my post got modded.

since the mods have been so concerned with deleting anything mildly offensive lately, perhaps they can also take a look at corrik's post where he's stating that little kids are fucking criminals who deserve to get separated form their parents because they're burdening the poor united states with their presence.

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Corrik7 posted...

Question 31.

Question 31 and its surrounding questions fucking support my statement.
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Corrik7 posted...

What you don't realize is they want to detain parents with their children

Citation needed
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Corrik7 posted...

Question 31.

...The "release" options make up the large majority there, bud.

Your favored option is literally the least picked option.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Disagree

Google has a dominant marketshare on search because they have by far the best search algorithm, not because people are tricked into using it by agreements to make it the default search engine on other platforms.

It's not just their search engine. Google has a pretty strong stranglehold on the online advertising industry-- you literally see Google bidding on Google's exchange against Google with the ad being served via Google's ad server. And of course, they're taking a cut each time.

Until a few years back, Google was effectively stacking the deck in programmatic bidding via their ad server, where they would basically have "last look" advantage. This meant that Google would take a look at the winning bid from a programmatic auction, and then choose to beat it by 1 penny if it was low enough.

Google intentionally walks a fine line to avoid being hit with antitrust stuff but Google and Facebook control so much of the online advertising business that it's been referred to as "the duopoly" for years.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

of course my post got modded.

since the mods have been so concerned with deleting anything mildly offensive lately, perhaps they can also take a look at corrik's post where he's stating that little kids are fucking criminals who deserve to get separated form their parents because they're burdening the poor united states with their presence.

No see his posts should stay because they're just political opinions, which means they're unmoddable

Just like it's my political opinion that Rush Limbaugh deserves the cancer and I hope he suffers a lot before his death

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Jakyl25 posted...

Question 31 and its surrounding questions fucking support my statement.

No it doesn't. You said the majority of America agrees with you. This is wrong.

Question 31.

What should be done with a family that enters the US Illegally.

Release the entire family back to their home country together (This is what I said and you cried Due Process)
48% support

Arrest parents and keep the children separate 4% (Of course no one wants this but the legal system has the hands tied here)

Arrest the parents and keep children with them 11%

Release the entire family in the US and require they report for a hearing 21%

not sure 16%

Again. You are not in the majority.

So let's go to the Question 31 breakdown.

Every age group supports release the whole family back to their own country

Every racial breakdown supports release the whole family back to their own country

Independents 52% Send back together
Republicans 64% Send back together

Democrats 37% Send back together 37% Release until hearings

Ideology?

48% to 15% for moderates on release to home country to release til hearing in America
66% to 4% for conservatives
28% to 50% for liberals

It is a liberal cause. It is not the majority of America. It is not anything but self-identified liberals. Every other demographic chooses send family home to home country together.

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StealThisSheen posted...

...The "release" options make up the large majority there, bud.

Your favored option is literally the least picked option.

Right. While I might personally be advocating catch and release, deporting the whole family together is also a lot more human than keeping them in cages, separated.

The key phrase in my bottom line was by any means necessary.
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Corrik7 posted...

No it doesn't. You said the majority of America agrees with you. This is wrong.

I said no such thing. I said the majority disagree with YOUR opinion that the letter of the law must be followed no matter how cruel. There are not just two opinions here.
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KamikazePotato posted...

No see his posts should stay because they're just political opinions, which means they're unmoddable

Just like it's my political opinion that Rush Limbaugh deserves the cancer and I hope he suffers a lot before his death

yeah, i'm just glad i'm not letting gamefaqs mods guide my moral beliefs.

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Jakyl25 posted...

And I would say 80% chance of the process working is better for America and Americans than family separation

StealThisSheen posted...

You know, the failure to appear rate for general misdemeanors is an average of almost 15%. Guess they should've just locked you up for your DUIs and took everything you own.

Also how much of this 15-20% is actual bad faith attempts to dodge consequences versus bureaucratic issues, other issues with accessibility, or the government agencies not giving a shit? Because that stuff can be reduced and these numbers improved!

This is something that really strikes me as baffling that people just don't accept. People will actually just show up to court hearings without being thrown in jail first!

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VintageGin posted...

It's not just their search engine. Google has a pretty strong stranglehold on the online advertising industry-- you literally see Google bidding on Google's exchange against Google with the ad being served via Google's ad server. And of course, they're taking a cut each time.

Until a few years back, Google was effectively stacking the deck in programmatic bidding via their ad server, where they would basically have "last look" advantage. This meant that Google would take a look at the winning bid from a programmatic auction, and then choose to beat it by 1 penny if it was low enough.

Google intentionally walks a fine line to avoid being hit with antitrust stuff but Google and Facebook control so much of the online advertising business that it's been referred to as "the duopoly" for years.

Unless I misunderstand the lawsuit its just search, though. It doesnt have anything to do with their ad business.

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Corrik7 posted...

Arrest parents and keep the children separate 4% (Of course no one wants this but the legal system has the hands tied here)

Isnt this what you want, because its the law?

What does it say to you that 96% of Americans dont believe the law should be followed?
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Unless I misunderstand the lawsuit its just search, though. It doesnt have anything to do with their ad business.

From AP:

WASHINGTON (AP) The Justice Department on Tuesday sued Google for abusing its dominance in online search and advertising

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Jakyl25 posted...

I said no such thing. I said the majority disagree with YOUR opinion that the letter of the law must be followed no matter how cruel. There are not just two opinions here.

Then you need to get your story in a row. I have already said the best option would be to send them home, where they could have their due process from there.

The problem is you want the law to be followed regarding due process. So, you get the next legal option. You don't release someone back into an active crime and send children to places where they could be lost forever (there is some incompetence that has happened unfortunately.) You detain until trial, keep the children who are also actively in violation as well in a safe place, and you re-unite when a verdict has been rendered whether to their home country or in the USA.

You can't say you want to follow the law in one breath and also not follow the law in the next with detainment separately. That is how the law is formed.

I am sure most people's best choice would be to send them all home to their home country to have their trial from there.

I am sure most people's 2nd best choice would be to detain the family together until the case is resolved and release them together.

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VintageGin posted...

From AP:

If so my bad on that, and I dont yet have a firm opinion on the merit of whether that part of the case is legit. I maintain that going after them on search is dumb, though.

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It's assuredly their advertising through their search engines.

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Corrik7 posted...

The problem is you want the law to be followed regarding due process.

Ok heres a point of misunderstanding

I dont want due process because its the law and it should be followed. I want due process because its the right thing to do
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Jakyl25 posted...

Ok heres a point of misunderstanding

I dont want due process because its the law and it should be followed. I want due process because its the right thing to do

You don't think the right thing to do is keep the families together and send them home together, where they can fight their case from home?

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Corrik7 posted...

You don't think the right thing to do is keep the families together and send them home together, where they can fight their case from home?

Thats what would happen after they showed up for their court date

(Of course you know I REALLY want them to be just released into society and given the same benefits we all deserve, some violent criminals excepted, but Im working under the assumption of a realistic solution here)
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats what would happen after they showed up for their court date

(Of course you know I REALLY want them to be just released into society and given the same benefits we all deserve, some violent criminals excepted, but Im working under the assumption of a realistic solution here)

20% don't do that. You want a solution that lets 20% of illegal immigrants into the United States versus one that keeps families together and 0%. (And that's just 20% of those caught too).

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https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1318713461845753863?s=21

Jesus fucking Christ (I do think these polls inflate support for things like this and that a lot of people saying yes probably hadnt thought about the scenario either way before, but still wtf)

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Corrik7 posted...

20% don't do that. You want a solution that lets 20% of illegal immigrants into the United States versus one that keeps families together and 0%. (And that's just 20% of those caught too).

Of course you should know I would because I care more about these people than the god damn law
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