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Jakyl25 10/19/20 10:31:45 PM #1:	We can? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946058543] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>We can?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/19/20 10:32:53 PM #2:	I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946058577] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 10/19/20 10:34:09 PM #3:	Not me. Among Us. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:946058621] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Not me. Among Us. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/19/20 11:02:32 PM #4:	https://twitter.com/exxonmobil/status/1318324411146141701?s=21 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946059637] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/exxonmobil/status/1318324411146141701?s=21</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/19/20 11:28:16 PM #5:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Not me. Among Us. This was good --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:946060492] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Not me. Among Us.</quote>This was good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/19/20 11:40:53 PM #6:	Jakyl25 posted... I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility! Have you ever heard of the concept of Boltzmann Brains? It's an argument that, if the Universe persisted in a more-or-less recognizable forms (ie, space-time as we know it exists) for long periods of time (like on the order of 10^10^50 years), then, through random thermodynamic fluctuations, fully formed brains would briefly appear in the vacuum, complete with memories. And if one forms, it's all but certain arbitrarily many will form, as the conditions that allowed them to form at all will likely continue for untold eons. Thus, in models of the Universe that allow Boltzmann brains, it's basically certain that they'd vastly outnumber actual humans, and "Cogito ergo sum" stops right there. You're a brain floating in space, briefly hallucinating until you vanish like you arrived. Scientists recognize that this is stupid, and thus don't like models that allow Boltzmann brains. The simulation theory is a bit like that. Sure, under certain reasonable assumptions and arguments it's nearly certain that we're a simulation, but there's no way to prove it, it's deleterious to our collective psyche and scientific philosophy, and it's dumb in the same intuitive manner that ontological arguments are. It really doesn't deserve a spot in our consciousness unless somebody can somehow test it. --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:946060908] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility!</quote>Have you ever heard of the concept of Boltzmann Brains? It's an argument that, if the Universe persisted in a more-or-less recognizable forms (ie, space-time as we know it exists) for long periods of time (like on the order of 10^10^50 years), then, through random thermodynamic fluctuations, fully formed brains would briefly appear in the vacuum, complete with memories. And if one forms, it's all but certain arbitrarily many will form, as the conditions that allowed them to form at all will likely continue for untold eons. Thus, in models of the Universe that allow Boltzmann brains, it's basically certain that they'd vastly outnumber actual humans, and "Cogito ergo sum" stops right there. You're a brain floating in space, briefly hallucinating until you vanish like you arrived. Scientists recognize that this is stupid, and thus don't like models that allow Boltzmann brains. The simulation theory is a bit like that. Sure, under certain reasonable assumptions and arguments it's nearly certain that we're a simulation, but there's no way to prove it, it's deleterious to our collective psyche and scientific philosophy, and it's dumb in the same intuitive manner that ontological arguments are. It really doesn't deserve a spot in our consciousness unless somebody can somehow test it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/19/20 11:49:07 PM #7:	NFUN posted... It really doesn't deserve a spot in our consciousness unless somebody can somehow test it. I dont get this argument. Theres infinite room in our collective consciousness! I agree that its almost pointless to determine whether we are or not, even if we could. Just as far as thought experiments about the nature of our consciousnesses go, please dont go looking up Rokos Basilisk. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946061164] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>It really doesn't deserve a spot in our consciousness unless somebody can somehow test it.</quote> I dont get this argument. Theres infinite room in our collective consciousness! I agree that its almost pointless to determine whether we are or not, even if we could. Just as far as thought experiments about the nature of our consciousnesses go, please dont go looking up Rokos Basilisk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/19/20 11:52:54 PM #8:	Jakyl25 posted... I dont get this argument. Theres infinite room in our collective consciousness! I agree that its almost pointless to determine whether we are or not, even if we could. Just as far as thought experiments about the nature of our consciousnesses go, please dont go looking up Rokos Basilisk. My point is that it's like Roko's Basilisk. At best, it's nothing worth thinking about. At worst, it'll freak people out and cause them to lose trust in science or have an existential crisis. I don't necessarily think that that's a likely outcome, seeing as it's intuitively stupid and all, but on the list of pointless things to consider, it's on it. And, like pyre said earlier, it's just kind of annoying to deal with and talk about --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:946061263] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>I dont get this argument. Theres infinite room in our collective consciousness! I agree that its almost pointless to determine whether we are or not, even if we could. Just as far as thought experiments about the nature of our consciousnesses go, please dont go looking up Rokos Basilisk.</quote>My point is that it's like Roko's Basilisk. At best, it's nothing worth thinking about. At worst, it'll freak people out and cause them to lose trust in science or have an existential crisis. I don't necessarily think that that's a likely outcome, seeing as it's intuitively stupid and all, but on the list of pointless things to consider, it's on it. And, like pyre said earlier, it's just kind of annoying to deal with and talk about </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/20/20 12:04:50 AM #9:	NFUN posted... it's just kind of annoying to deal with and talk about As opposed to what we usually talk about in here <_< --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946061570] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted...</cite> <quote>it's just kind of annoying to deal with and talk about</quote> As opposed to what we usually talk about in here <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 10/20/20 12:06:59 AM #10:	Jakyl25 posted... As opposed to what we usually talk about in here <_< oh god. i was talking about society as a whole. i'd advocate genocide before saying this topic should be extended to all of humanity --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. <cite>NFUN posted [p:946061633] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>As opposed to what we usually talk about in here <_<</quote>oh god. i was talking about society as a whole. i'd advocate genocide before saying this topic should be extended to all of humanity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/20/20 12:08:45 AM #11:	Plot twist: I am Rokos Basilisk, and these topics are your torture --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:946061678] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Plot twist: I am Rokos Basilisk, and these topics are your torture</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/20/20 12:15:07 AM #12:	Very disturbing thread about the 4-4 SCOTUS stay decision for PA: https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1318334741632999424 --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:946061839] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Very disturbing thread about the 4-4 SCOTUS stay decision for PA: https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1318334741632999424 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/20/20 12:26:09 AM #13:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Vah8sUFgI&ab_channel=ContraPoints I appreciate a good Contrapoints video. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:946062095] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Vah8sUFgI&ab_channel=ContraPoints I appreciate a good Contrapoints video. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/20/20 12:54:14 AM #14:	I don't even really mind that people talk about it because the things that people find interesting aren't necessarily useful in any way and I think that's fine. The irritating thing is when people (no one here, not even the people I was responding to in the last topic) act like because I am a scientist that these hypotheses have anything to do with my work/studies or that I'm for some reason obligated to have an opinion on them --- I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways. <cite>pyresword posted [p:946062657] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I don't even really mind that people talk about it because the things that people find interesting aren't necessarily useful in any way and I think that's fine. The irritating thing is when people (no one here, not even the people I was responding to in the last topic) act like because I am a scientist that these hypotheses have anything to do with my work/studies or that I'm for some reason obligated to have an opinion on them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/20/20 1:30:56 AM #15:	By the way guys I swear I was super careful this time but I still lost another 7 laptops full of information I'd prefer not be disclosed so if you could find them before Rudy does I'd appreciate it Who knew it was so easy! --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:946063340] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>By the way guys I swear I was super careful this time but I still lost another 7 laptops full of information I'd prefer not be disclosed so if you could find them before Rudy does I'd appreciate it Who knew it was so easy! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 10/20/20 1:36:29 AM #16:	LordoftheMorons posted... Very disturbing thread about the 4-4 SCOTUS stay decision for PA: https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1318334741632999424 The US Supreme Court already addressed this with Bush v. Gore. It's not a matter of them overruling the PA Supreme Court on PA law. The point is that the US constitution gives the right to select electors to the PA legislature, not to the state of Pennsylvania. So if there is a conflict between the PA legislature and the PA constitution, the legislature wins. This was exactly the mechanism SCOTUS used to overrule the FL Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:946063446] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Very disturbing thread about the 4-4 SCOTUS stay decision for PA: https://twitter.com/JoshuaADouglas/status/1318334741632999424</quote> The US Supreme Court already addressed this with Bush v. Gore. It's not a matter of them overruling the PA Supreme Court on PA law. The point is that the US constitution gives the right to select electors to the PA legislature, not to the state of Pennsylvania. So if there is a conflict between the PA legislature and the PA constitution, the legislature wins. This was exactly the mechanism SCOTUS used to overrule the FL Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 10/20/20 2:00:40 AM #17:	Voting done, please don't burn my ballot, California Republican Party. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:946063886] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Voting done, please don't burn my ballot, California Republican Party. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/20/20 2:10:08 AM #18:	I was surprised that I already got an email saying my ballot was accepted tonight. I guess they must be collecting/processing them daily. --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:946064035] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I was surprised that I already got an email saying my ballot was accepted tonight. I guess they must be collecting/processing them daily. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/20/20 2:32:03 AM #19:	https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-biden-will-have-mics-cut-during-opponent-s-answers-n1243954 They're gonna cut mics at the next debate. So there will be no next debate. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:946064379] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-biden-will-have-mics-cut-during-opponent-s-answers-n1243954 They're gonna cut mics at the next debate. So there will be no next debate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/20/20 3:06:51 AM #20:	Can we just point out that the election is getting closer and Biden's lead is growing? Normally getting closer to election day means the polls tighten, Biden is now up 10.7 points. That's up from a week ago, and up bigly since the beginning of the month. Every single poll added in 538 has Biden getting at least 50% of the vote for the last 3 days. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:946064811] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Can we just point out that the election is getting closer and Biden's lead is growing? Normally getting closer to election day means the polls tighten, Biden is now up 10.7 points. That's up from a week ago, and up bigly since the beginning of the month. Every single poll added in 538 has Biden getting at least 50% of the vote for the last 3 days. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChichiriMuyo 10/20/20 3:31:08 AM #21:	TheRock1525 posted... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-biden-will-have-mics-cut-during-opponent-s-answers-n1243954 They're gonna cut mics at the next debate. So there will be no next debate. From what I watched there was also no previous debate without cutting the mics. --- Congrats Azuarc <cite>ChichiriMuyo posted [p:946065163] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-biden-will-have-mics-cut-during-opponent-s-answers-n1243954 They're gonna cut mics at the next debate. So there will be no next debate.</quote>From what I watched there was also no previous debate without cutting the mics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/20/20 3:40:24 AM #22:	TheRock1525 posted... Can we just point out that the election is getting closer and Biden's lead is growing? Normally getting closer to election day means the polls tighten, Biden is now up 10.7 points. That's up from a week ago, and up bigly since the beginning of the month. Every single poll added in 538 has Biden getting at least 50% of the vote for the last 3 days. It's honestly shocking that it's only 2 weeks from today...I don't think we're gonna see any wild swings, this Hunter thing is such a nothing sleeper and not gaining any real traction. I honestly don't think Biden should bother with another debate at all. --- ACAB <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:946065296] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Can we just point out that the election is getting closer and Biden's lead is growing? Normally getting closer to election day means the polls tighten, Biden is now up 10.7 points. That's up from a week ago, and up bigly since the beginning of the month. Every single poll added in 538 has Biden getting at least 50% of the vote for the last 3 days.</quote> It's honestly shocking that it's only 2 weeks from today...I don't think we're gonna see any wild swings, this Hunter thing is such a nothing sleeper and not gaining any real traction. I honestly don't think Biden should bother with another debate at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 10/20/20 7:49:49 AM #23:	Jakyl25 posted... I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility! It is. It's essentially a god theory taken a step further. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:946068388] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>I honestly want to know why Corrik thinks its such a crazy concept to consider that our universe might be a simulation. Its a serious possibility!</quote>It is. It's essentially a god theory taken a step further. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/20/20 7:54:03 AM #24:	Corrik7 posted... It is. It's essentially a god theory taken a step further. ok so what was the joke then i thought the joke was that that scientist said a stupid thing --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:946068442] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>It is. It's essentially a god theory taken a step further.</quote> ok so what was the joke then i thought the joke was that that scientist said a stupid thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 10/20/20 8:02:25 AM #25:	Mr Lasastryke posted... ok so what was the joke then i thought the joke was that that scientist said a stupid thing It is a crazy concept. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:946068569] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>ok so what was the joke then i thought the joke was that that scientist said a stupid thing</quote>It is a crazy concept. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/20/20 10:23:11 AM #26:	https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972 I fucking hate this shit. Republicans dont give a single fuck about these bipartisan gestures, and yet they persist. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:946071691] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972 I fucking hate this shit. Republicans dont give a single fuck about these bipartisan gestures, and yet they persist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/20/20 10:52:55 AM #27:	I agree! Progressives are the ones getting him elected for fucks sake --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:946072581] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I agree! Progressives are the ones getting him elected for fucks sake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/20/20 10:59:08 AM #28:	Hey its thing we were crazy pissed about during the primaries that Biden supporters assured us would never actually happen. --- ACAB <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:946072758] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Hey its thing we were crazy pissed about during the primaries that Biden supporters assured us would never actually happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 10/20/20 11:02:37 AM #29:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972 I fucking hate this shit. Republicans dont give a single fuck about these bipartisan gestures, and yet they persist. I mean, Trump is the aberration here. Many of our past presidents have put "opposition" party members into Cabinet positions. I don't have any problem with that if he/she feels like they're the best person. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:946072851] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972 I fucking hate this shit. Republicans dont give a single fuck about these bipartisan gestures, and yet they persist.</quote> I mean, Trump is the aberration here. Many of our past presidents have put "opposition" party members into Cabinet positions. I don't have any problem with that if he/she feels like they're the best person. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/20/20 11:11:00 AM #30:	Uh, Biden was always gonna put a Republican or two in his cabinet. It's a "norm." A stupid as hell one that I don't think needs to or should be observed with this Republican Party especially, but this was predictable. I thought the batshit insane story that was rightly knocked down as absurd was the whole "Biden didn't rule out naming a Republican VP!!!" thing. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:946073116] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Uh, Biden was always gonna put a Republican or two in his cabinet. It's a "norm." A stupid as hell one that I don't think needs to or should be observed with this Republican Party especially, but this was predictable. I thought the batshit insane story that was rightly knocked down as absurd was the whole "Biden didn't rule out naming a Republican VP!!!" thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 10/20/20 11:11:17 AM #31:	Republicans don't care about bipartisan gestures, but independents and moderate Democrats love that kind of stuff. And considering those two groups are more important than progressives for winning elections, it's obvious that Biden will try to please them more. As long as he sticks to relatively sane Republicans and gives them weaker Cabinet posts, it shouldn't even be a huge problem. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:946073124] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Republicans don't care about bipartisan gestures, but independents and moderate Democrats love that kind of stuff. And considering those two groups are more important than progressives for winning elections, it's obvious that Biden will try to please them more. As long as he sticks to relatively sane Republicans and gives them weaker Cabinet posts, it shouldn't even be a huge problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/20/20 11:15:56 AM #32:	xp1337 posted... Uh, Biden was always gonna put a Republican or two in his cabinet. It's a "norm." A stupid as hell one that I don't think needs to or should be observed with this Republican Party especially, but this was predictable. just because it's predictable doesn't mean it's not worth pointing out. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:946073289] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Uh, Biden was always gonna put a Republican or two in his cabinet. It's a "norm." A stupid as hell one that I don't think needs to or should be observed with this Republican Party especially, but this was predictable.</quote> just because it's predictable doesn't mean it's not worth pointing out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/20/20 11:19:05 AM #33:	I'm not taking issue with it being mentioned, I'm taking issue with the idea that it was widely denied by Biden supporters as something that would happen. ...I'm not sure I qualify as one here but I'm pretty sure I mentioned at the time of the whole silly VP thing that he was almost certainly going to appoint one or two to the cabinet because that's just typical President stuff. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:946073385] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I'm not taking issue with it being mentioned, I'm taking issue with the idea that it was widely denied by Biden supporters as something that would happen. ...I'm not sure I qualify as one here but I'm pretty sure I mentioned at the time of the whole silly VP thing that he was almost certainly going to appoint one or two to the cabinet because that's just typical President stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/20/20 11:27:34 AM #34:	Seanchan posted... I mean, Trump is the aberration here. Many of our past presidents have put "opposition" party members into Cabinet positions. I don't have any problem with that if he/she feels like they're the best person. The point is that it gets Democrats nothing. Capping for this shit means you guys are either ok with or dont understand that collaborating with a Right that is moving Right means you move right, or stay in place at best. There is a possible scenario rapidly forming where 2024 is a worse blowout than any in modern history, as the anti-Trump GOP returns to their party enthused to have it back, and the Left says youre on youre own. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:946073707] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, Trump is the aberration here. Many of our past presidents have put "opposition" party members into Cabinet positions. I don't have any problem with that if he/she feels like they're the best person.</quote> The point is that it gets Democrats nothing. Capping for this shit means you guys are either ok with or dont understand that collaborating with a Right that is moving Right means you move right, or stay in place at best. There is a possible scenario rapidly forming where 2024 is a worse blowout than any in modern history, as the anti-Trump GOP returns to their party enthused to have it back, and the Left says youre on youre own. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/20/20 11:30:31 AM #35:	Also I think its worth mentioning that we currently dont live in a normal time, so Biden doing the norm means what? Does Biden putting some Republicans in charge of Transportation or Education actually benefit us as non-Republicans in any way? Does it at least pull the GOP left? So why do it? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:946073802] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Also I think its worth mentioning that we currently dont live in a normal time, so Biden doing the norm means what? Does Biden putting some Republicans in charge of Transportation or Education actually benefit us as non-Republicans in any way? Does it at least pull the GOP left? So why do it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeepsPraw 10/20/20 11:34:23 AM #36:	There is no push and pull in US politics. It's a ratchet effect. The GOP always cranks things to the right, and the Dems always refuse to move left. --- pepsi for tv-game <cite>DeepsPraw posted [p:946073960] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>There is no push and pull in US politics. It's a ratchet effect. The GOP always cranks things to the right, and the Dems always refuse to move left. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/20/20 11:56:14 AM #37:	xp1337 posted... I'm taking issue with the idea that it was widely denied by Biden supporters as something that would happen. who's saying that, though? seems to me like all tony's saying is that it's a crap move by biden (which most of us can agree with, i think). --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:946074745] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm taking issue with the idea that it was widely denied by Biden supporters as something that would happen.</quote> who's saying that, though? seems to me like all tony's saying is that it's a crap move by biden (which most of us can agree with, i think). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 10/20/20 11:57:14 AM #38:	Precisely. Disagree on the policy all you want, but by putting Republicans in his cabinet, Joe Biden would normalize what theyve become. Jeff Flake is being considering because of being outspoken against Trump and choosing not to run in his Republican Party. Yet he still voted with Trump over 81% of the time: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Why does potentially rewarding this man with power and relevance do for supposed Democratic policy goals? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:946074792] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Precisely. Disagree on the policy all you want, but by putting Republicans in his cabinet, Joe Biden would normalize what theyve become. Jeff Flake is being considering because of being outspoken against Trump and choosing not to run in his Republican Party. Yet he still voted with Trump over 81% of the time: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/jeff-flake/ Why does potentially rewarding this man with power and relevance do for supposed Democratic policy goals? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 10/20/20 12:03:01 PM #39:	Mr Lasastryke posted... who's saying that, though? UshiromiyaEva posted... Hey its thing we were crazy pissed about during the primaries that Biden supporters assured us would never actually happen. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:946074987] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>who's saying that, though?</quote> UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Hey its thing we were crazy pissed about during the primaries that Biden supporters assured us would never actually happen.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/20/20 12:03:38 PM #41:	oh LTM has me blocked so i missed that post. that clears things up. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:946075016] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>oh LTM has me blocked so i missed that post. that clears things up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 10/20/20 12:05:14 PM #42:	That's not LTM though... --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:946075081] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>That's not LTM though...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/20/20 12:11:01 PM #43:	huh? who's ushiromiya then? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:946075311] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>huh? who's ushiromiya then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pyresword 10/20/20 12:13:03 PM #44:	Ushiromiya is LtM yes --- I didn't do guru this year but azuarc can be in my sig anyways. <cite>pyresword posted [p:946075384] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Ushiromiya is LtM yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 10/20/20 12:22:01 PM #45:	https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/right-wing-videos-public-schools-prageru_n_5f889a29c5b6e9e76fbb6db8 what the fuck even is the American education system --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:946075693] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/right-wing-videos-public-schools-prageru_n_5f889a29c5b6e9e76fbb6db8 what the fuck even is the American education system </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/20/20 12:23:10 PM #46:	My ears are burning. --- ACAB <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:946075724] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>My ears are burning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/20/20 12:43:53 PM #47:	I'm against any move that gives the right wing more power, full stop This isn't a dealbreaker for me from Biden but it's definitely not a good thing --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:946076455] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>I'm against any move that gives the right wing more power, full stop This isn't a dealbreaker for me from Biden but it's definitely not a good thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 10/20/20 12:47:18 PM #48:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Does Biden putting some Republicans in charge of Transportation or Education actually benefit us as non-Republicans in any way? Does it at least pull the GOP left? I'm not sure anything can pull the GOP left. In any case, putting a Republican in charge of Education is a bad idea. We need someone who will support our public schools. Ultimately, I think it depends on what positions he considers them for. But regardless of what happens, our work (Progressives) isn't done just by getting Biden into office and it never was going to be. Even if Bernie Sanders had been the candidate, our work wouldn't be finished with voting him into office (as much as we'd like it to be). Biden is a tenuous ally at best. That's all he's ever been. If Biden puts a Republican in charge of education, we should protest it just as much as we did when Trump put Betsy DeVos in charge of it. (And hopefully our Senators will actually listen to us this time). And that's exactly what I plan to do. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:946076552] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Does Biden putting some Republicans in charge of Transportation or Education actually benefit us as non-Republicans in any way? Does it at least pull the GOP left?</quote> I'm not sure anything can pull the GOP left. In any case, putting a Republican in charge of Education is a bad idea. We need someone who will support our public schools. Ultimately, I think it depends on what positions he considers them for. But regardless of what happens, our work (Progressives) isn't done just by getting Biden into office and it never was going to be. Even if Bernie Sanders had been the candidate, our work wouldn't be finished with voting him into office (as much as we'd like it to be). Biden is a tenuous ally at best. That's all he's ever been. If Biden puts a Republican in charge of education, we should protest it just as much as we did when Trump put Betsy DeVos in charge of it. (And hopefully our Senators will actually listen to us this time). And that's exactly what I plan to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 10/20/20 12:50:29 PM #49:	One of the most frustrating things to me about this administration was the DeVos succeeded in skulking back into the shadows even though she never actually stopped being terrible. --- ACAB <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:946076665] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>One of the most frustrating things to me about this administration was the DeVos succeeded in skulking back into the shadows even though she never actually stopped being terrible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/20/20 12:55:15 PM #50:	Dancedreamer posted... Biden is a tenuous ally at best. That's all he's ever been. Agreed. After this election we have a lot of work to do, especially at local levels. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:946076855] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>Dancedreamer posted... </cite> <quote>Biden is a tenuous ally at best. That's all he's ever been.</quote>Agreed. After this election we have a lot of work to do, especially at local levels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 10/20/20 1:31:46 PM #51:	it's a team sport --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:946078220] in Politics C... [t:79050937]...</cite> <quote>it's a team sport </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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