Board 8 > Best Level 13: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

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tazzyboyishere
10/08/20 9:50:07 PM
#1:


Best 3D Zelda?






Vote for up to 3 levels

Nominate games to do for the future

Eligible Levels:
Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Forest Temple
Goron Mines
Hyrule Castle
Lakebed Temple
Palace of Twilight
Snowpeak Ruins
Temple of Time

Super Mario 64 Results:
Bob-omb Battlefield - 22
Big Boo's Haunt - 18
Cool, Cool Mountain - 18
Tick Tock Clock - 18

Ocarina of Time Results:
Forest Temple - 33
Spirit Temple - 30

Super Metroid Results:
Maridia - 15
Brinstar - 14

Kingdom Hearts Results:
Hollow Bastion - 26
Traverse Town - 23

Celeste Results:
The Summit - 14
Reflection - 10

Mega Man 2 Results:
Quick Man's Stage - 12
Metal Man's Stage - 11

Banjo-Kazooie Results:
Click Clock Wood - 17
Freezeezy Peak - 15

Paper Mario Results:
Shy Guy's Toybox - 17
Crystal Palace - 14

Sonic Adventure 2 Results:
City Escape - 24
Radical Highway - 19

Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal Results:
Goldenrod City - 8
Radio Tower - 8

Donkey Kong Country 2 Results:
Bramble Blast - 6
Animal Antics - 5
Rickety Race - 5
Slime Climb - 5

Hollow Knight Results:
City of Tears - 14
Fungal Wastes - 5
Greenpath - 4
White Palace - 4
Crystal Peak - 3
Deepnest - 3
Kingdom's Edge - 3
Ancient Basin - 2
The Abyss - 1
The Hive - 1
Queen's Gardens - 1
Resting Grounds - 1
Royal Waterways - 1
Fog Canyon - 0
Forgotten Crossroads - 0
Howling Cliffs - 0

Donkey Kong 64 is next

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pjbasis
10/08/20 9:53:37 PM
#2:


Arbiter's Grounds
Lakebed Temple
City in the Sky

Third spot was pretty rough between mansion or temple of time

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MrSmartGuy
10/08/20 9:53:54 PM
#3:


It has been a hot many many years since I've played TP, but just going off of what I kinda remember about the game, gonna go with:

Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins


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Cody11533
10/08/20 9:54:40 PM
#4:


Arbiter's Grounds
Goron Mines
Snowpeak Ruins
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mnkboy907
10/08/20 9:55:22 PM
#5:


Nominate: Xenoblade Chronicles

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ExThaNemesis
10/08/20 9:58:28 PM
#6:


City in the Sky
Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins

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KamikazePotato
10/08/20 10:01:43 PM
#7:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins

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TomNook
10/08/20 10:02:15 PM
#8:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins

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Kenri
10/08/20 10:15:54 PM
#9:


City in the Sky
Arbiter's Grounds

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Leonhart4
10/08/20 10:16:46 PM
#10:


Snowpeak Ruins
Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky

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andylt
10/08/20 10:20:03 PM
#11:


Snowpeak Ruins
Temple of Time
City in the Sky

The spinner is cool but never got the hype over Arbiter's. Snowpeak is an all-timer for the series.

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Shonen_Bat
10/08/20 10:20:58 PM
#12:


Hyrule Castle
Snowpeak Ruins
Arbiter's Grounds

Temple of Time has an incredible setup though and if the actual dungeon lived up to that it'd probably be my favorite

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TomNook
10/08/20 10:25:48 PM
#13:


Nominate Cuphead

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KCF0107
10/08/20 10:33:49 PM
#14:


Goron Mines
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th3l3fty
10/08/20 10:34:30 PM
#15:


Arbiter's Grounds
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Hbthebattle
10/08/20 10:35:33 PM
#16:


Nominate Super Mario Odyssey

Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins
City in the Sky

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PrinceKaro
10/08/20 10:46:26 PM
#17:


City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins
Arbiter's Grounds

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pyresword
10/08/20 11:13:05 PM
#18:


Arbiter's Grounds
Lakebed Temple
Snowpeak Ruins
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PrinceOfKoopas
10/09/20 12:10:19 AM
#19:


Arbiter's Grounds
Hyrule Castle
Snowpeak Ruins


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MZero
10/09/20 1:05:37 AM
#20:


Snowpeak Ruins
City in the Sky
Arbiter's Grounds

Best dungeons (and best game) in the series imo

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StartTheMachine
10/09/20 1:05:58 AM
#21:


Palace of Twilight
Arbiter's Grounds

Arbiter's Grounds will likely take the victory here and deservedly so, but Palace of Twilight has always been my favorite. Between the amazing atmosphere, tense chase sequences from the hands, and the killer Zant fight with more phases than any other boss in the series, I think it's highly underrated. Yeah it's too short, but what's there is so good.

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SomeKindOfJoke
10/09/20 1:08:00 AM
#22:


Snowpeak Ruins
Arbiter's Grounds

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StartTheMachine
10/09/20 1:10:25 AM
#23:


Hbthebattle posted...
Nominate Super Mario Odyssey

I'll second this nomination


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BetrayedTangy
10/09/20 1:18:56 AM
#24:


Arbiter's Grounds
Goron Mines
Snowpeak Ruins

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BetrayedTangy
10/09/20 1:19:41 AM
#25:


TomNook posted...
Nominate Cuphead

I second this nomination

Also nominate A Hat in Time

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MoogleKupo141
10/09/20 1:34:48 AM
#26:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins
City in the Sky

seems like a lot of consensus on this one
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VengefulKaelee
10/09/20 2:05:44 AM
#27:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins
Goron Mines

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SpoinkRulezz
10/09/20 2:14:24 AM
#28:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins

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Ultimaphazon
10/09/20 2:43:41 AM
#29:


City in the Sky
Lakebed Temple
Snowpeak Ruins
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banananor
10/09/20 3:56:05 AM
#30:


Sand level
Sky level
Steam level

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ctesjbuvf
10/09/20 4:03:30 AM
#31:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Gordon Mines

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linkhatesganon
10/09/20 4:10:14 AM
#32:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins

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firefdr
10/09/20 5:15:47 AM
#33:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Temple of Time
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Sheep007
10/09/20 6:26:41 AM
#34:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins

TP has the best dungeons of any game in the series and all of them except Hyrule Castle and Forest Temple would make the top three for any other Zelda.

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Lightning Strikes
10/09/20 6:29:03 AM
#35:


Snowpeak Ruins
Arbiters Grounds
Hyrule Castle

Best dungeons in the series for sure.

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LordoftheMorons
10/09/20 7:20:07 AM
#36:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins

Can't quite remember a few of the others well enough to confidently pick a third

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Evillordexdeath
10/09/20 7:29:56 AM
#37:


Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins
Temple of Time

Haven't played this game since I was 13. I remember the dungeons all being great, and loving the Dominion Rod as a mechanic.

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Bloodychess
10/09/20 7:39:12 AM
#38:


TomNook posted...
Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins


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malyg
10/09/20 7:40:10 AM
#39:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins
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plasmabeam
10/09/20 9:43:22 AM
#40:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins

They were all fantastic. TP is so underrated it's disgusting.

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Leonhart4
10/09/20 9:45:49 AM
#41:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
Arbiter's Grounds
Snowpeak Ruins
City in the Sky

seems like a lot of consensus on this one

Yeah, the top 3 are pretty clear, but TP has some fantastic dungeons from top to (almost) bottom.

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plasmabeam
10/09/20 9:48:21 AM
#42:


Leonhart4 posted...
Yeah, the top 3 are pretty clear, but TP has some fantastic dungeons from top to (almost) bottom.

Honestly, other than Hyrule Castle being too short, there's little wrong with TP's dungeons.

Which is why I can't fathom the hate TP gets.

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andylt
10/09/20 10:05:56 AM
#43:


Probably because of everything other than the dungeons. The slow beginning, all the wolf stuff, bloom everywhere, bad Hyrule Field, poor balance of rewards (too many rupees!) and disappointing plot outside of Midna. (I like the game still)

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pyresword
10/09/20 10:13:32 AM
#44:


Wow I think I disagree with everything there. Dungeons are probably average at best, probably on the weak side since the only ones I really like at all are the 3 I voted for. (Edit: Ok I forgot about Palace of Twilight for a second that one was also pretty good) I'd say the overarching atmosphere and plot along with the wolf segments are where the game shines though.

I know my opinion at least on the dungeons is not the consensus though.
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plasmabeam
10/09/20 10:13:44 AM
#45:


andylt posted...
Probably because of everything other than the dungeons. The slow beginning, all the wolf stuff, bloom everywhere, bad Hyrule Field, poor balance of rewards (too many rupees!) and disappointing plot outside of Midna. (I like the game still)

Slow beginning I agree with 100%

Everything else, no. Wolf stuff was a good palate cleanser; (not sure what you mean by bloom); Hyrule Field I remember loving especially horseback; rewards don't matter IMO; and I loved the dark tone of the storyline, although I'll admit it pales in comparision to OoT/MM.

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LinkMarioSamus
10/09/20 10:19:14 AM
#46:


Not a bad game but pretty forgettable in the long term IMO. Just comes off to me as another Zelda game, albeit an overall very well-made one, rather than something truly special on par with something like even Majora's Mask, let alone Ocarina of Time or The Wind Waker. Or even Link to the Past if we're venturing outside 3D Zeldas.

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banananor
10/09/20 10:45:43 AM
#47:


plasmabeam posted...
They were all fantastic. TP is so underrated it's disgusting.
picking on this comment to go on a rant. Twilight Princess is all right, but oddly enough I would say the difficulty level is what holds it back.

I recently finished OoT for the first time (go go lockdown) and it gave me a new perspective on TP.

TP feels like a 'fixed' version of OoT. All of the difficult or inscrutable world logic has been removed, and the dungeon puzzles as well as the boss fights are intuitively labeled. lakebed temple as one example is clearly a fixed water temple.

however, i think they could have added a little something to replace the unfair difficulty that they removed. i never complain about games being too easy, but i think this has to be the exception. i snoozed by way through all of TP without looking up a guide, and this was my first zelda game. I was actively bored during dungeons and boss fights. Almost every puzzle, and every boss boiled down to looking at your surroundings, finding the clearly labeled context-sensitive element, and using the appropriate item on it

Being easy can be okay, or even great if the core gameplay loop is super fun or the story pacing is excellent, but I don't think TP quite got there

if i could go back and wave a magic wand, i'd first focus on making link's movement and navigation faster and more fun. The dungeons are large, and you spend a lot of time stomping around in iron boots and and slowly climbing along ceiling grating. The game had some great ideas and set pieces, they just weren't fun to navigate. I kept thinking 'man, this really has potential'

Second, I might increase the complexity of dungeon puzzles and bosses, either in an optional 'hard' or 'master quest' mode or with an optional in-game hint system to prevent players from getting stuck.

I think TP is a great introduction to zelda games for true non-gamers, but would need to change in order to be enjoyable to someone like me who has tens of thousands of hours of experience


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tazzyboyishere
10/09/20 2:07:27 PM
#48:


Arbiter's Grounds
City in the Sky
Snowpeak Ruins

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