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NFUN
09/27/20 1:12:29 PM
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indeed

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Janus5k
09/27/20 1:15:46 PM
#2:


oh no

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pyresword
09/27/20 1:16:13 PM
#3:


oh yes
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NFUN
09/27/20 1:21:08 PM
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Tier Heresy:


#268: Zero no Kiseki: Crossbell Cathedral
Janus: 3/3
dowolf: 1.5/1
Total: 2.25/2 (2.125)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1aXt78rXkVg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tcMceBwcnP4

Very slow and peaceful music. Not much else to say.

Not really much difference with the Evo version, different instruments but more or less the same feel.
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Okay, because "uberyawn" makes NFUN go on rants: This reminds me of the most boring churches I've ever been in in my life. They make me want to scream with rage; I want to do nothing but run out and listen to anything else because I am bored out of my mind.

Not what I expected to be the first one out

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Hbthebattle
09/27/20 1:28:07 PM
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Not what I expected to be first out at all
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Janus5k
09/27/20 1:33:50 PM
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oh god it's an average of the original/Evo scores (which I mean makes perfect sense but... well......)

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FL81
09/27/20 2:09:21 PM
#7:


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Raetsel_Lapin
09/27/20 2:09:55 PM
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NFUN
09/27/20 2:18:40 PM
#9:


#267: Ao no Kiseki - Shall We Pom?
hb: 3/3.2
tgs: 2.5/2.5
Total: 2.75/2.85 (2.8)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=545eDCQsffw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kSJ52Q34Cig

Mmmm... smells like plagarism.
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I'm sorry, but I am here for listening to Trails music and am wondering why I have been linked two remixes of SMB3 world 1 (and I don't even care too much for that song to boot). Are you having a giggle, NFUN?

I'm disappointed that neither of the writeups were just "no"

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NFUN
09/27/20 2:24:41 PM
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I guess I should

@azuarc
@FL81
@Haste_2
@Hbthebattle
@Janus5k
@Leanansidhe
@Place
@pyresword
@Raetsel_Lapin
@tgs2

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NFUN
09/27/20 2:25:25 PM
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@banshiryuu
@dowolf
@Toxtricity

I'm open to formatting suggestions, particularly in regards to the sheet

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FL81
09/27/20 2:28:09 PM
#12:


Bing Bing WAHOO

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PIayer_0
09/27/20 2:47:30 PM
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Wow I appreciate the cathedral song I got much more now

Don't feel like I've ever heard that SMB3 theme...

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NFUN
09/27/20 3:02:24 PM
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#266: Zero no Kiseki - Foolish Gig
Haste: 5.4/5.5
Mycro: 0/0.5
Total: 2.7/3 (2.85)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MrSwKMv0ABQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E_-WYNcEddU

Classic rock blues (ish, I don't know if there's a particular word to describe this kind of music). But yeah... this is more for mood setting rather than listening to on its own, IMO. Can't say I like it too much. At least there's a minor 9th at one part! Improv is meh. Um, I kind of like when the bass doubles the organ?

EVO version: Yeah, the remixer definitely capitalized on opportunities for improvement. Distinct instruments doing their own distinct thing, but they complement well. (I like that one chilled guitar) Nice end-of-phrase addons. Still not willing to listen to this on its own, though.
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although i have not listened to everything yet, pre-emptively giving this the 0. pretty sure there will not be something i like less than this in here. evo is slightly less "fake blues" and sounds more like real people pplaying it so i hate it less slightly [update: I was correct that there was nothing i liked less than this. easily my least favorite falcom track(s) i'm aware of]

Mycro-ed

How long do people want these to last? I was thinking revealing ~5 songs a day for a two-month ranking

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PIayer_0
09/27/20 3:12:40 PM
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That Evo version deserves way more credit!

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Raetsel_Lapin
09/27/20 3:28:16 PM
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I actually really like the Evo version of that (and the original version a fair amount too). I like tracks that create a specific ambiance and that feels like the soundtrack that introduces us to a 50s cool dude (like The Fonz, but slightly cooler). He kicks open the door to the diner, adjusts his awesome leather jacket, and leans on the jukebox as everyone swoons.

Original version is like a low quality version of that, which is charming in its own way.
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Hbthebattle
09/27/20 3:39:35 PM
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Id prefer a 1-month ranking, to be honest, cause thats about how long we had to rank the songs
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banshiryuu
09/27/20 3:45:56 PM
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Leanansidhe posted...
Aw man everyone's comments are way better than mine

same lol, i only did comments for a small few tracks actually; usually only if there was a huge difference or something
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NFUN
09/27/20 4:04:22 PM
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#265: Trails in the Sky the 3rd - The Lord of Phantasma
pyre: 4/4
tgs: 2/2
Total: 3/3 (3)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=80-fm_9eLIQ
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dTXTMIpow3g

"Building tension" the song. I want to be more forgiving because this is obviously something is only really meant to be played in context, but even then there are other similar types of songs like Who's There from Persona 4 or Illusion from Muv-Luv Alternative which are just way better. This song is just boring. The last 30 seconds is notably better than the rest, but it doesn't really go anywhere and doesn't do much to save the song.
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This should have been rated so much higher.... It sounds great, but it's incredibly painful trying to listen to listen to either variant all at once because of how fucking boring it is. What a waste.

Man, the contextual Sonoda/Jindo songs are getting wrecked

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pyresword
09/27/20 4:10:36 PM
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I think other people were probably way more willing to give low scores than I was. Going by combined score Lord of Phantasma was actually my 2nd lowest. "Tolerable but boring" was enough to get like a 4 from me though. To get say a 3 or lower you needed to actively do something that I didn't like, and the number of songs that actually do that is just very small.
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PIayer_0
09/27/20 4:14:49 PM
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LMAO once again, I also got a foreboding ambience song but it was at least better than this one

I'd be fine with around 5-10 songs per day. It might help to speed up for the middle chunk of ratings and slow down again towards the end - personally, I most enjoy the ratings of songs on the extreme ends of the scale.

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Toxtricity
09/27/20 4:16:49 PM
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i didn't expect there to be any songs i gave below a 3 because the vibe of falcom is almost always enough to get at least 3/10 from me. but foolish gig is nearly my least favorite type of music, and there were a few others that got that low to my surprise too
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Janus5k
09/27/20 4:25:05 PM
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"Tolerable but boring" was around a 3-4 for me, depending on how boring it was. Crossbell Cathedral just happened to be really boring.

Think it was my lowest combined, but not my lowest for individual tracks.

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NFUN
09/27/20 6:47:34 PM
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#264: Trails in the Sky the 3rd - Oh Goddess, Have Mercy...
Place: 4/5
dowolf: 1.5/2
Total: 2.75/3.5 (3.125)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Er8oWM-ej4
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2iQRdXYN0Cc

writing in my spiralbound 120 sheet college ruled notebook by silvery medieval candlelight. goodbye chao. evo strings are cool, reprise at :58 welcome change of pace
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There's nothing for me here.

Oh dowolf, have mercy...

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tgs2
09/27/20 7:57:00 PM
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Most everything was a more tolerable kind of "okay" to me and not worth just writing "its okay" 10+ times. Even some of my higher stuff I left blank on the writeups would have been boiled down to generic "It's really good" statements.

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NFUN
09/27/20 8:27:20 PM
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#263: Zero no Kiseki - Critical Situation
player0: 1/4
deo: 4.2/4.2
Total: 2.6/4.1 (3.35)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SG3b6DbVz8Y
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HWCzIixUozo

The original is completely uninteresting and sounds like the kind of song to be banished to a fighting game's options menu. It starts doing things in the second half but by then you're already worn out by the guitar. The remake is a huge improvement with a much fuller sound and even adds new sections with some sweet solo riffing!
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azuarc
09/27/20 9:38:37 PM
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wow, that song actually got a zero from Mycro

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azuarc
09/27/20 9:41:57 PM
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Critical Situation sounds like something I'd expect to hear on a Dynasty Warriors mission prep screen.

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PIayer_0
09/27/20 10:45:17 PM
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Oh Goddess Evo is pretty

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dowolf
09/27/20 11:33:08 PM
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Place
09/28/20 1:56:52 AM
#32:


oh what @NFUN my scores are aggregated out of ten. should i scale them out of five (ranking goddess as a 1.5)?

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Raetsel_Lapin
09/28/20 2:04:35 AM
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Place
09/28/20 2:38:03 AM
#34:


in my rating scale, 5/10 is completely average with points given for surpassing that line or taken away for falling short of it.

i took on this project to give myself perspective on a series that has graced me with a lot of what i might put in the 'JRPG' box soundwise--music that fails to capture my imagination with stuff i feel i've already heard elsewhere. in other words if i feel the music is Standing Out from the goopy soup of driving orchestral rock and other typical fantasy-adventure sound then it's likely to cut well above the rest. very pleased to report there were tracks here that definitely struck a high chord(!), and even the picks i didn't enjoy as much were well worth my time

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NFUN
09/28/20 1:27:42 PM
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#262: Zero no Kiseki - Balloons and Confetti
player0: 2/0
deo: 6/6
Total: 4/3 (3.5)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=D4OCglD2ZM0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UibqcMP2Gpg

I think I'd go insane if I had to listen to this more than twice in a row!!! It actually has a groovy 70s vibe to start, but then becomes a big mess that drags on for way too long. And the remake's uninteresting instruments just bring it down completely!
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You hear this a lot more than twice in a row

#261: Ao no Kiseki - Each Justice
pyre: 3.5/3.5
deo: 3.8/3.8
Total: 3.65/3.65 (3.65)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=baGuP8z5wRg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iXyOnxlVeko

This is a song. Slight preference for the Evo version due to the meatier sounding low brass but it's not enough to actually result in a different score.
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pyresword
09/28/20 1:29:39 PM
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Oh hey that one was my lowest by combined score.

Given my writeup I should maybe clarify that I'm only ranking in increments of 0.5 here.
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NFUN
09/28/20 2:18:41 PM
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#260: Trails in the Sky SC - Fateful Confrontation
your: 2/5
fin: 0/8.2
ished: 1/6.6 (3.8)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5ok9bzDzaS0
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qk8RYZrmZdE


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NFUN
09/28/20 2:20:50 PM
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#260: Trails in the Sky the 3rd - Assault
player0: 3/3
Mycro: 4.3/4.5
Total: 3.65/3.75 (3.7)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=69DvR_vAA2g
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TojARs2Qfn4

A hilariously frantic military song that sounds like it came straight from a non-Trails JRPG. I guess the remake feels a bit more serious while the original goes all-in on the goofiness.
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not a fan of either but evo version's a lot fuller in sound with its reverby-ness to me, slightly higher appeal

This may rustle some jimmies but I'm fine with this tbh

#259: Trails in the Sky - Under The Moonlight
player0: 2/3
deo: 4.9/5
Total: 3.45/4 (3.725)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1eZVfY3TX2c
https://youtube.com/watch?v=go14ZRJzRWY

Sleepy ambience with soft synths, something I usually like but it's just not interesting in this case. The remake at least has a solo cello part.
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I am much less okay with this

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Hbthebattle
09/28/20 2:32:33 PM
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Bruh moment
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pyresword
09/28/20 2:54:17 PM
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Aw man I really like Assault. Consider my jimmies rustled.
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Toxtricity
09/28/20 3:15:46 PM
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assault grew on me a bit after i "finalized" the rankings tbh. reminds me a lot of kirby air ride's orchestral tracks, which i enjoy quite a bit! (comparisons will be quickly obvious here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8TggmkHNvs

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PIayer_0
09/28/20 3:46:53 PM
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I occasionally have second thoughts on my Balloons rating because there are sections that sound fine in isolation, but I really can't stand them all played in a row for 2 minutes!

Don't know why Each Justice Evo felt the need to make the song even longer

If I'd gone by my usual rating system my lowest would be a 6. Now I look like the bad guy!

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NFUN
09/28/20 4:05:10 PM
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#258: Trails in the Sky - Royal Castle
pyre: 5/5.5
dowolf: 3/1.5
Total: 4/3.5 (3.75)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oMgXULcVupY
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5D4Pzjb15Io

The Sky The 3rd castle theme is better but this one is also fine. The violin of the Evo version is slightly prettier but whatever.
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I don't like either, but Evo is super muddy

#257: Trails in the Sky - Border Patrol Isn't Easy
Raetsel: 5.07/6.11
dowolf: 3/1
Total: 4.035/3.555 (3.795)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OEi-g8PyECA
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NDp9BRKZWxI

Neither song is really my thing, they're both kinda 'you are at a military fort, look at this military stuff, yay'. But the Evo version commands respect--it's like the original version only conjures up images of the fort & generic soldiers, while the Evo version feels like you're in the presence of the commanding officer. Still not my jam, but far more impactful.
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What in God's name is the delay in the Evo version

I guess the Liberl royalty motif isn't popular

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pyresword
09/28/20 4:24:23 PM
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I gave Pride of Liberl a good score and would have given Royal Castle at Dusk a good score if it were on my list.
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dowolf
09/28/20 5:03:47 PM
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I like original Under the Moonlight, wish it'd done better.
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azuarc
09/28/20 5:45:27 PM
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NFUN posted...
your: 2/5
fin: 0/8.2
ished: 1/6.6 (3.8)

0 vs 8.2? Really? Like, really? They're saying the evo version is a really good song, but the original is the worst thing they've ever heard. And considering how sharp and ragged those synth samples are in the evo version, I would much sooner have reversed that order.

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NFUN
09/28/20 6:32:07 PM
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azuarc posted...
0 vs 8.2? Really? Like, really? They're saying the evo version is a really good song, but the original is the worst thing they've ever heard. And considering how sharp and ragged those synth samples are in the evo version, I would much sooner have reversed that order.
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PIayer_0
09/28/20 11:13:23 PM
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NFUN posted...
What in God's name is the delay in the Evo version
Can't wait for dowolf to see my version of this

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dowolf
09/29/20 12:14:00 PM
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As in, the song that you're upset over the super delayed attacks on brass instruments?

Or as in, you making a rip of the track with even more delayed attacks?
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NFUN
09/29/20 12:32:28 PM
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#256: Ao no Kiseki - West Zemlya Trade Conference
Janus: 3/3
tgs: 4.9/4.9
Total: 3.95/3.95 (3.95)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNiwtXSLwxg
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9CHLsUXIs-E

Zemlya
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#255: Trails in the Sky the 3rd - The Crimson Stigma
player0: 2/3
Mycro: 5.8/5.03
Total: 3.9/4.015 (3.9575)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yBclT0W_2Dk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mkNhjtz3cJ0

It's like a WWE entrance theme except the original was recorded live at the stadium, which is...an interesting effect to hear in VGM but kinda unpleasant. I am obligated to relay the comments on Singa bees in the remake.
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i honestly d ont mind the 'bees" or what ever, but the evo arrange really kills what was a cool atmosphere in the original, by making it all guitar, and the synths not being particularly evocative or interesting like the original's synths imo

Crimson Stigma Evoluted really deserves more credit. It's genius, making you experience the same pain that Kevin is feeling as it plays

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