Current Events > Twenty-nine German police suspended for sharing pictures of Hitler

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Either the German Goverment decided it was art or the film slipped under their radar. Either is possible. I assume the former.

It was a succesful film that won several German film awards. You assume wrong and you're lying again.

You quantify it first (something you refuse to do and the constitution does not do) and when you do that I'll post examples.

So you can't find a single example? It's not on me to provide you anything. You're the one making a ridiculous claim based on nothing but your misinterpretation of the law. Reality clearly does not agree with it.

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ImAMarvel posted...

This. I used to think he was one of the more reasonable posters here but lately he's been showing he's probably full of it.

Lately...? Probably...?

I don't remember him ever not being a contrarian who just trolls and derails topics for no reason.

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ImAMarvel posted...

This. I used to think he was one of the more reasonable posters here but lately he's been showing he's probably full of it.

How unreasonable of me to have lived in multiple countries.

What true horror.

And to make matters more perverse I am aware of the laws and constitutions of the places I live in. How uncouth.

Hornezz posted...

It was a succesful film that won several German film awards. You assume wrong and you're lying again

Wut?

When did I say it wasn't?

I haven't made any comment about the film. I didn't even bring the film up. You just asked why it doesn't violate the law and I said "Because it's defined as art" you said "Prove it!" and I said "Well because that's the law and it was released so it's either art or they missed it." and now you're claiming I'm wrong?

So they didn't miss it and they don't consider it art but it still doesn't violate the Constitution? That's your argument?

Erm.... okay.....

You're just wrong then. And kinda weird. Go see the German version of Stick of Truth.

Hornezz posted...

So you can't find a single example? It's not on me to provide you anything.

Lol yes it is.

You're saying "Go find me a single example of something but I'm not willing to quantify what it is I'm telling you to find so I can doublethink handwave it later." and that's absurd.

You want an example of something you have to say what it is you want an example of in the first place dude. And you literally cannot do that and you know it. This is just embarrasing evasion here.
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So where did you live in the UK? You seem to be refusing to answer that question.

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When did I say it wasn't?

"or the film slipped under their radar."
Do try to keep up and quit dodging. Show some proof where the government made an exception for this film.

You want an example of something you have to say what it is you want an example of in the first place dude.

It's not on me to qualify anything. You're the one making the claim that talking about Nazis is illegal, which is a completely ridiculous take.

So, can you find examples of people being convicted for bringing up Nazis or have you been lying this whole time?

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spikethedevil posted...

So where did you live in the UK? You seem to be refusing to answer that question.

@UnfairRepresent

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How has the majority not blocked that imbecile by now, he legit just spouts bullshit and idiotic crap to rile up people.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

How unreasonable of me to have lived in multiple countries

And yet I'm a liar cause I claim I lived in both the UK and Germany?
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On topic, fuck those officers. They have no place in the police force
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Hornezz posted...

Do try to keep up and quit dodging. Show some proof where the government made an exception for this film.

Hornezz posted...

's not on me to qualify anything

lol wut

"Give me an example of something but I'm not able to tell you what it is."

I'll take that as you conceding you have no actual point. Says it all frankly.

teepan95 posted...

And yet I'm a liar cause I claim I lived in both the UK and Germany?

Yeah because you claimed to live in both at the same time depending on what topic you were in until I called you out, then you panicked and changed story again.

Hornezz posted...

"or the film slipped under their radar."
Do try to keep up and quit dodging. Show some proof where the government made an exception for this film.

Da hell are you on about? The German Constituion (you know the thing I posted and you're calling me a liar for quoting and therefore calling the people who wrote it and made this artile liars) says that education including arts is an exception.

Therefore this film is either seen as educational or art by the government or the goverment didn't know about it. Same as every German Nazi movie. Most likely the former.

I haven't seen the film, there's probably like a logo or something in the credits that expresses some kind of endorsement from the German film board or censorship committe same as every other major film.

I don't know why you're obsessed with this weird film no one apart from you is talking about.

No one ever claimed you can't make Nazi movies in Germany. The constituion you keep ignoring plainly says that you can so long as the government thinks it's educational (including art) and not propaganda. The point is just like you, they can't quantify what the difference is. So it becomes arbitrary and inconistent.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah because you claimed to live in both at the same time depending on what topic you were in until I called you out, then you panicked and changed story again.

[citation needed]
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teepan95 posted...

[citation needed]

https://i.imgur.com/h3v1Z8P.png
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Imagine still responding seriously to UR in the year 2020

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thronedfire2 posted...

Imagine still responding seriously to UR in the year 2020

All I've done is quote the German Constitution and the news article itself.

All of the people calling the German Constitution and the article they are talking about liars (and a right wing meme which is hilarious) just vanish when you ask them what they fuck they mean.

Hell "Choco is allegedly a German so the fact he doesn't know the German Constution means it doesn't exist. Just like every Trump supporter is 100% right about everything in America" as an argument say it all
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My brother spent a lot of time in Germany as a foreign exchange student and we in turn had a German student live with us for a while. I don't know the specifics of exactly how Nazi censorship works around there, but from my brother and the German exchange students experiences it sounds like they are super anti any Nazi imagery. Again, I don't know exactly how the law works, but it is something along those lines.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

"Give me an example of something but I'm not able to tell you what it is."

So you refuse to provide any backing to your claim, or any real world examples, until I give you a definition of "talking about Nazis" or "bringing up Nazis" that somehow fits your false narrative, even though you're the one who used those terms first?
Lol, that's not how any of this works.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I haven't seen the film, there's probably like a logo or something in the credits that expresses some kind of endorsement from the German film board or censorship committe same as every other major film.

There is no such thing. You're just making stuff up as you go.

You keep lying to distract from an otherwise serious topic of fascists in law enforcement. I'm sure the Nazi cops are thankful for your efforts.


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UnfairRepresent posted...

In Germany it's illegal to talk about the Nazis (especially Hitler) in any non educational context.

I'm German and I live in Germany and this is just embarrassingly dumb lmao

besides the whole thing obviously being bullshit, are you suggesting you get a tougher fine or whatever if you talk about Hitler, as opposed to like Goebbels or someone? lmao

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

I'm German and I live in Germany and this is just embarrassingly dumb lmao

besides the whole thing obviously being bullshit, are you suggesting you get a tougher fine or whatever if you talk about Hitler, as opposed to like Goebbels or someone? lmao

So how exactly does it work in Germany regarding any sorts of references to the Nazi party?

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

I'm German and I live in Germany and this is just embarrassingly dumb lmao

besides the whole thing obviously being bullshit, are you suggesting you get a tougher fine or whatever if you talk about Hitler, as opposed to like Goebbels or someone? lmao

Tougher fine?

No you're just more likely to draw attention to yourself

Also are you calling your own Constitution bullshit?

All I'm doing is quoting it (and this article) and like everyone else you ignored it

TommyG663513 posted...

So how exactly does it work in Germany regarding any sorts of references to the Nazi party?

I already posted the Constitution multiple times

Why is everyone so quick to argue but refuse to read it
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TommyG663513 posted...

So how exactly does it work in Germany regarding any sorts of references to the Nazi party?

Another German explained it properly earlier.

WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN THE UK, STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION @UnfairRepresent

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spikethedevil posted...

Another German explained it properly earlier.

WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN THE UK, STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION @UnfairRepresent

Can you give me the post number and/or the username?

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Choco posted...

now i'm no law expert but basically
nazi symbols like swastikas are illegal unless used for purposes of education or art (video games had to be censored because they weren't considered art)
it's also illegal to deny the holocaust or do stuff like nazi salutes
talking about nazis and hitler is not illegal at all; some ppl online have the impression that germans don't make nazi jokes and that isn't true at all. jokes about nazis and hitler are definitely a thing.
there is a nazi party (i don't mean the far-right AfD, but the literal neonazi NPD) and there were several attempts to ban it. i don't know much about the previous attempts but the latest one was rejected because the party isn't relevant enough to pose a threat to the constitutional order.

UR's most egregiously wrong statement was "The theory is that if eveyone ignores the Nazis all the time they will go away" which is a direct contradiction of his first point anyway.

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123 lol.

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That post is incorrect though and intentionally ignores the Constitution which makes exceptions for educational purposes

Anything else can be declared propaganda and has no free speech protection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

a86 StGB Dissemination of Means of Propaganda of Unconstitutional Organizations

Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:
of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party;
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means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,
shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

That's what they mean by "Iconography"

Anything at all that is "Propaganda that furthers the aims of the Nazis or any other group which is akin to the Nazis" is illegal.

If you say "Well talking about the Nazis with a group of like minded people isn't iconography" you're right via the dictionary but wrong via the German Consitution. The police CAN arrest you for "nazi Propaganda" outside of an education context that can just be verbal. This is a fact.


Every single user calling the German Constitution (and this topics own article) a liar is ignoring this
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We aren't ignoring it but we listing to THE ACTUAL FUCKING GERMANS WHO LIVE IN GERMANY AND NO FIRST HAND WHAT THE AUTHORITIES DO AND DO NOT COUNT AS PROPAGANDER. And you keep ignoring WHERE DID YOU LIVE IN THE UK @UnfairRepresent

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spikethedevil posted...

We aren't ignoring it but we listing to THE ACTUAL FUCKING GERMANS WHO LIVE IN GERMANY AND

That's a fallacy

By your logic Donald Trump and his supporters are accurate in anything they say about the US

Living in Germany (which I have done myself mind) doesn't mean you cant lie about it, in fact most people do lie about their own nation out of patriotism or ignorance

Choco is either ignorant of or embarrassed by the constitution so s/he ignores it for a reality that they prefer.

A lot of people do that but facts are still facts, black and white. That's why Choco (and you and everyone else) is ignoring the Constitution and this article itself the topic is about in every single post just to say nonsense rhetoric or fallacies

one dude literally called the German Constitution a right wing meme which is utterly hilarious
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Ok where did you live in Germany? And where did you live in the UK?

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spikethedevil posted...

Ok where did you live in Germany? And where did you live in the UK?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

teepan95 posted...

[citation needed]

https://i.imgur.com/h3v1Z8P.png

Welp, can't argue against that
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UR of all people is trying to claim someone is lying about where they live. Thats rich

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Why is teepan living in both the UK and Germany less believable than you living in both? @UnfairRepresent Oh and @teepan95 Where did you live in the UK? Lets see if you will answer something Unfair refuses to.

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Well UR thank you for turning this topic to a different direction

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Case and point

You all ignore the Constitution and the article itself just to do personal attacks with no arguments

You can hate and persecute me all you want for just intelligently telling you facts and posting proof , I'm still right.
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In the UK I lived just outside London

In Germany I live near Mannheim
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Cool so @UnfairRepresent Why wont you tell us where in the UK and Germany you lived?

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you are wrongly interpreting german criminal code. Strafgesetzbuch is not our Constitution (which is called Grundgesetz)

If you say "Well talking about the Nazis with a group of like minded people isn't iconography" you're right via the dictionary but wrong via the German Consitution

this is not correct.

The law prohibits the distribution or public use of symbols of unconstitutional groupsin particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting.

this sentence really covers it basically.

this would be legal if you were correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgmAhxE4u4k


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcCu3Yia6WU

this would be legal?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Im glad that a very serious topic has been reduced to bullshit thanks to UR agsin

@SBAllen and the mods let him get away with it because he is an older account.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

you are wrongly interpreting german criminal code. Strafgesetzbuch is not our Constitution (which is called Grundgesetz)

if I screwed that up then I apologise but my understanding is that the criminal law is just an extension of the statements made in the Constitution put into practice

The fundamental fact that the far right does not have free speech protections in the Constitution remains unchanged even if my semantics are off

If you say "Well talking about the Nazis with a group of like minded people isn't iconography" you're right via the dictionary but wrong via the German Consitution

this is not correct.

The law prohibits the distribution or public use of symbols of unconstitutional groupsin particular, flags, insignia, uniforms, slogans and forms of greeting.

Keep reading. Icongrogaphy is not limited to flags. Anything that spreads far right propaganda Is considered distribution including verbage

Hell your own quote describes far right groups as unconstitutional

this sentence really covers it basically.

this would be legal if you were correct?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgmAhxE4u4k

They could have been arrested yes. Isnt that the same group the Constitutional court was about to ban because they were violating the law until they decided that it was so ineffective as a group that banning it would just turn them into martyrs and empower right wingers?

I agree with their decision but I'm not following your logic

That implementation is inconsistent? yeah it Is

but the law is the law. While those people march in the street like idiots old ladies sit in prison for holocaust denial
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spikethedevil posted...

Cool so @UnfairRepresent Why wont you tell us where in the UK and Germany you lived?

Stop ignoring this question.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

just intelligently telling you facts and posting proof , I'm still right.

The lies just keep getting worse!


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@UnfairRepresent which of these did u live
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany,_Indiana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany,_Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Township,_Adams_County,_Pennsylvania

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Choco posted...

@UnfairRepresent which of these did u live
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany,_Indiana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany,_Texas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Township,_Adams_County,_Pennsylvania

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And not yet again not a single point or rebuttal

Just ignoring everything raised, every law,, the German Constitution and instead posting insults
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Like he could have at least googled a half decent lie about where he supposedly lived. The fact that he wont even try to fake it just proves what a sham it is

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Geisterdrache posted...

Like he could have at least googled a half decent lie about where he supposedly lived. The fact that he wont even try to fake it just proves what a sham it is

it proves he's trolling >_> he probably isn't taking any of this seriously.

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Lol "The fact you're not just making shit up proves your trolling!" - Man who is too terrified to respond to the actual topic

You're so desperately digging to avoid admitting fault , it's silly

UnfairRepresent posted...

if I screwed that up then I apologise but my understanding is that the criminal law is just an extension of the statements made in the Constitution put into practice

The fundamental fact that the far right does not have free speech protections in the Constitution remains unchanged even if my semantics are off

Keep reading. Icongrogaphy is not limited to flags. Anything that spreads far right propaganda Is considered distribution including verbage

Hell your own quote describes far right groups as unconstitutional

this sentence really covers it basically.

They could have been arrested yes. Isnt that the same group the Constitutional court was about to ban because they were violating the law until they decided that it was so ineffective as a group that banning it would just turn them into martyrs and empower right wingers?

I agree with their decision but I'm not following your logic

That implementation is inconsistent? yeah it Is

but the law is the law. While those people march in the street like idiots old ladies sit in prison for holocaust denial

UnfairRepresent posted...

That post is incorrect though and intentionally ignores the Constitution which makes exceptions for educational purposes

Anything else can be declared propaganda and has no free speech protection

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

a86 StGB Dissemination of Means of Propaganda of Unconstitutional Organizations

Whoever domestically disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination domestically or abroad, means of propaganda:
of a party which has been declared to be unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a party or organization, as to which it has been determined, no longer subject to appeal, that it is a substitute organization of such a party;
...
means of propaganda, the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organization,
shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than three years or a fine.

That's what they mean by "Iconography"

Anything at all that is "Propaganda that furthers the aims of the Nazis or any other group which is akin to the Nazis" is illegal.

If you say "Well talking about the Nazis with a group of like minded people isn't iconography" you're right via the dictionary but wrong via the German Consitution. The police CAN arrest you for "nazi Propaganda" outside of an education context that can just be verbal. This is a fact.


Every single user calling the German Constitution (and this topics own article) a liar is ignoring this

You will never respond to any of this. You'll just join a mob and scream insults
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Hey Choco, have you been arrested yet?

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