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FFDragon
09/17/20 2:37:32 PM
#202:


Also

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1306557587375128576

the Nov 3rd Election result may NEVER BE ACCURATELY DETERMINED

Gee I wonder if he's setting up for something here.

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/17/20 2:37:35 PM
#203:


KamikazePotato posted...
Bill Barr is the worst. Trump has overall done more damage than him, but there's something uniquely vile about a toady hijacking the government branch that's meant to be 'for the people' more than any of the others.

I think what you have to understand about Barr is that he isn't a toady. He's a fascist. He wants this. Barr is using Trump as much as Trump is using him, not just to cover his ass or keep his job. He is ideologically motivated to entrench (conservative) executive power at the cost of liberal democracy and Trump just happens to be the beneficiary.

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Peace___Frog
09/17/20 2:40:43 PM
#204:


FFDragon posted...
Also

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1306557587375128576

Gee I wonder if he's setting up for something here.
Nahhhhh we *checks notes* have institutions!

Fall is going to be a shit show

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 2:47:08 PM
#205:


it's crazy how with all the fucked up shit about Barr it's hard to keep track of that insane rant for an authoritarian theocracy he made about the horrible "moral chaos" brought by secularists.

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KamikazePotato
09/17/20 2:47:10 PM
#206:


Also this is old but not sure if it was ever posted here, and its still relevant

https://i.imgur.com/aUypULA.jpg

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HashtagSEP
09/17/20 2:55:27 PM
#207:


Yeah, that much is obvious. At this point, Trump supporters aren't concerned with morality of any kind. They just refuse to accept that they picked a loser and so they support him doing ANYTHING to win.

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KamikazePotato
09/17/20 2:56:05 PM
#208:


Also, found that summary of how Trump voters work which I think is the best explanation I've ever read about them. Highly recommend people in this topic read this.

You all don't get it. I live in Trump country, in the Ozarks in southern Missouri, one of the last places where the KKK still has a relatively strong established presence. They don't give a shit what he does. He's just something to rally around and hate liberals, that's it, period. He absolutely realizes that and plays it up, they love it, he knows they love it, and the fact that people act like it's anything other than that just proves that liberals are idiots, all the more reason for high fives all around.

If you keep getting caught up in why do they not realize blah blah blah and how can they still back him after blah blah blah, you are not understanding what is the underlying motivating factor of his support. It's fuck liberals, that's pretty much it.

Have you noticed he can do pretty much anything imaginable and they'll explain some way that rationalizes it that makes zero logical sense? Because they're not even keeping track of any logical narrative, it's irrelevant, fuck liberals is the only relevant thing, trust me, I know first hand what I'm talking about. That's why they just laugh at it all, because you all don't even realize they really truly don't give a fuck about whatever the conversation is about, it's just a side mission story that doesn't really matter anyways. That's all just trivial details - the economy, health care, whatever. Fuck liberals.

Look at the thing with not wearing the masks. I can tell you what that's about. It's about exposing fear. They're playing chicken with nature and whoever flinches just moved down their internal pecking order, one step closer to being a liberal.

You gotta understand the one core value that they hold above all others is hatred for what they consider weakness, because that's what they believe strength is, hatred for weakness. And I mean passionate, sadistic hatred. And I'm not exaggerating. Believe me. Sadistic, passionate hatred, and that's what proves they're strong, their passionate hatred for weakness. Sometimes they lump in vulnerability, a compromised circumstance, or an overwhelming circumstance in their with weakness, too, because people tend to start humbling themselves when they're in those circumstances and that's an obvious sign of weakness.

Kindness=weakness. Honesty=weakness. Compromise=weakness. They consider their very existence to be superior in every way to anyone who doesn't hate weakness as much as they do. They consider liberals to be weak people that are inferior, almost a different species, and the fact that liberals are so weak is why they have to unite in large numbers, which they find disgusting, but it's that disgust that is a true expression of their natural superiority.

Go ahead and try to have a logical, rational conversation with them though. Just keep in mind what I said here and think about it.

Also a companion quote from Sartre:

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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Corrik7
09/17/20 3:08:09 PM
#209:


KamikazePotato posted...
Also, found that summary of how Trump voters work which I think is the best explanation I've ever read about them. Highly recommend people in this topic read this.

Also a companion quote from Sartre:
I'm sure that's exactly how 60 million people operate.

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Forceful_Dragon
09/17/20 3:13:51 PM
#210:


A non-trivial number of people operate that way, yes.

Every single person who voted for Trump? Of course not.

But some of the people who are still die hard Trump supporters? Absolutely.

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LinkMarioSamus
09/17/20 3:41:43 PM
#211:


I still think Trump won the 2016 election mostly because tons of people who loathed both him and Clinton decided to pick him at the last minute. Highly doubt the same miracle will happen this time, but who knows?

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Jakyl25
09/17/20 3:41:51 PM
#212:


I know Im both-sidesing this but thats how a significant number of people on all sides operate

Only on the left its not hatred of weakness, its more of a moral righteousness
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red sox 777
09/17/20 3:45:26 PM
#213:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
I still think Trump won the 2016 election mostly because tons of people who loathed both him and Clinton decided to pick him at the last minute. Highly doubt the same miracle will happen this time, but who knows?

You underestimate how much people hate Clinton. And it's not just her, it's what she stands for - liberals who are completely out of touch with the economic reality facing poor people. After 36 years of Reaganomics have pushed many Americans into poverty, Hillary faced the country and said absolutely nothing was wrong. Lenin said Stalin was too "rude" and that's how Americans feel about Trump, but Hillary would be more like the tsar's finance minister building new palaces in St. Petersburg while the average peasant was living on $2 a day.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/17/20 4:09:55 PM
#214:


Usps had fully prepared plans ready to ship masks to every household, Trump blocked it because it was "inciting a panic".

https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1306614873502224385?s=19

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ChaosTonyV4
09/17/20 4:19:51 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/17/20 4:39:44 PM
#216:


Jakyl25 posted...
I know Im both-sidesing this but thats how a significant number of people on all sides operate

Only on the left its not hatred of weakness, its more of a moral righteousness

IMO while true, this (usually) doesn't come as an actual political strategy to be weaponized against the right. On the right this is much more entrenched as part of the policy.

Sure you can find plenty of dumbass liberal takes like "we should just let the south secede!" or "defund red states!" or "we should suppress votes of conservatives and see how they like it!" but the shitposting has not made the leap to ideology like it has on the right (and we should hope it doesn't). Besides gerrymandering, Dems don't tend to advocate for policies specifically designed to hurt "the right" and they play into the team sports angle as more of...well, a team sport, as opposed to a crusade.

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red sox 777
09/17/20 4:44:20 PM
#217:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
IMO while true, this (usually) doesn't come as an actual political strategy to be weaponized against the right. On the right this is much more entrenched as part of the policy.

Sure you can find plenty of dumbass liberal takes like "we should just let the south secede!" or "defund red states!" or "we should suppress votes of conservatives and see how they like it!" but the shitposting has not made the leap to ideology like it has on the right (and we should hope it doesn't). Besides gerrymandering, Dems don't tend to advocate for policies specifically designed to hurt "the right" and they play into the team sports angle as more of...well, a team sport, as opposed to a crusade.

The left goes after individuals personally, but they never go after the right as a bloc. It's actually a really bad strategy, because the intense animosity the left displays toward individuals causes anger against the left, while on the other hand, they do nothing against actual powerful institutions.

If you are a small business owner who supports Trump, the left is happy to force you into bankruptcy, but if you are a Republican senator, they'll invite you to dinner and beg for your vote on some bill that they've already compromised so far on, that it's unrecognizable as a leftist bill.

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Peace___Frog
09/17/20 5:16:35 PM
#218:


Why doesn't anyone with a brain care about Joe Rogan? I present to you, Exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/AlexPattyy/status/1306690180452167680

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ChaosTonyV4
09/17/20 5:30:52 PM
#219:


Peace___Frog posted...
Why doesn't anyone with a brain care about Joe Rogan? I present to you, Exhibit A:

https://twitter.com/AlexPattyy/status/1306690180452167680

Thanks for legitimizing him, Bernie!

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LordoftheMorons
09/17/20 5:52:20 PM
#220:


Another former high level Trump admin staffer, this time Pences lead staffer on the covid task force, endorses Biden and speaks out against Trump:

https://twitter.com/rvat2020/status/1306686243422511108?s=21

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/17/20 6:05:02 PM
#221:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Thanks for legitimizing him, Bernie!

Why are you still salty about this?

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PerfectChaosZ
09/17/20 6:11:00 PM
#222:


Because it was fucked up
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Peace___Frog
09/17/20 6:12:20 PM
#223:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Thanks for legitimizing him, Bernie!
Aren't... you the one... who has been defending Rogan in this topic series...?

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ChaosTonyV4
09/17/20 6:29:36 PM
#224:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Why are you still salty about this?

Peace___Frog posted...
Aren't... you the one... who has been defending Rogan in this topic series...?

You guys didnt read the replies, I see.

Literally people saying Joe Rogan is Bernies fault, lmao

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LordoftheMorons
09/17/20 6:36:43 PM
#225:


I'm sure it will come as a shock that the CDC's recent guidance that only symptomatic people who were exposed to a covid positive individual need to be tested was actually made by HHS and the WH covid task force and was published over the objections of actual CDC scientists:

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1306720168815529985

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 6:40:45 PM
#226:


wades through pages of tweet replies Ctrl+Fing "Bern"

4 results



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ChaosTonyV4
09/17/20 6:50:31 PM
#227:


One is literally the 4th reply

Pages and pages

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LordoftheMorons
09/17/20 6:56:42 PM
#228:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
One is literally the 4th reply

Pages and pages
The replies are ordered differently for different people (I imagine based on people you've followed, tweets you've liked, etc). The first mention of Bernie for me is the 13th top level reply.

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 6:59:57 PM
#229:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
One is literally the 4th reply

Pages and pages

yes, that is 1 of the 4 results after pages and pages of scrolling and he hardly has any reaction

twitter handle DMiketon is a complete and utter nobody in a complete sea of responses and I don't understand how that could be the big takeaway for you and just blow past the actual story for it

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DoomTheGyarados
09/17/20 7:01:37 PM
#230:


Tony no one cares about your obsession with Twitter idiots

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Lightning Strikes
09/17/20 7:03:26 PM
#231:


KP thats an excellent summary, but I think it needs to be supplemented with a simple and dangerous fact: Trump is prepared to do everything he says. Which as we all know includes a lot of fascism.

We see this time and time again in history: the moderate right allowing the far right to rise to screw over the left, thinking that the fascists arent serious. They always are. Its really vital that Trump loses firmly or its the end of American democracy as we know it, and moderates may stumble right into that because they think that can never happen and that its all just talk.

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/17/20 7:21:18 PM
#232:


Upon further review I also seem to have a similar leftist twitter algorithm as Tony that puts one response about Bernie in the top 5 and two in the top 10.

I could ask them why they're salty too but I didn't care enough to look

It's still weird to be holding grudges over this no matter how you slice it

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ChaosTonyV4
09/17/20 7:37:02 PM
#233:


I dont know why I seem to be the only one not allowed to make extremely obvious sardonic remarks, but this topic isnt fun anymore

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DoomTheGyarados
09/17/20 7:45:19 PM
#234:


I like to think I shit on many people in this topic all the time.

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HeroDelTiempo17
09/17/20 7:47:32 PM
#235:


Go for it man, my initial post was mostly because I could not figure out what the fuck you were on about, so evidently it wasn't as obvious to me

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Mr Lasastryke
09/17/20 7:52:03 PM
#236:


i'm with tony on this one. if he wants to talk about people on twitter being stupid about joe rogan, let him.

this reminds me of when i flipped my shit at sess when he went "WAHHH THIS CONVERSATION IS BORING." i definitely overreacted then (because it's sess and he triggers me) but it's the same kind of thing. "oh i'm so sorry you weren't entertained for several posts darling we'll be sure to get back to making entertaining posts immediately." as far as i'm concerned, anyone can talk about anything here, provided it's at least somewhat politics-related. if you think it's "boring" or "nobody cares," tough shit.

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 8:00:42 PM
#237:


it gets annoying when it's just a defensive schtick whenever his idols get criticism to deflect over to insignificant twitter nobodies rather than confronting the actual issue - or simply just staying out of it

before someone nitpicks the word "idol", he's clearly a figure that Tony has some form of identity with that he always plays defense for

Story: "Joe Rogan lies to his millions of listeners that left-wing activists are starting forest fires in Oregon. This dangerous claim has been completely debunked."

Tony: "Look at those [few, utterly insignificant] tweet responses blaming Bernie!"

saying nothing would be better than this tired deflection

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Leafeon13N
09/17/20 8:01:12 PM
#238:


Of all the dumb things we could get on Tony about i dont understand this one.
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Mr Lasastryke
09/17/20 8:04:46 PM
#239:


Grimlyn posted...
it gets annoying when it's just a defensive schtick whenever his idols get criticism to deflect over to insignificant twitter nobodies rather than confronting the actual issue - or simply just staying out of it

before someone nitpicks the word "idol", he's clearly a figure that Tony has some form of identity with that he always plays defense for

Story: "Joe Rogan lies to his millions of listeners that left-wing activists are starting forest fires in Oregon. This dangerous claim has been completely debunked."

Tony: "Look at those [few, utterly insignificant] tweet responses blaming Bernie!"

saying nothing would be better than this tired deflection

oh yeah, "why are you just talking about those tweets and not about rogan being an idiot?" is a totally fair thing to ask tony. just saying that talking about those tweets in itself is fine.

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 8:25:24 PM
#240:


i mean even still it's a really dumb cherry pick so I'd still call that out as dumb

yes tony would be "free" to bring up dumb twitter randos and we're plenty "free" to call it stupid

"if you think it's "boring" or "nobody cares," tough shit."... like uh... that goes both ways to you too, tough shit I'm engaging to what you post. nobody's stopping Tony posting twitter randos by correctly calling it out as insignificant nonsense

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Mr Lasastryke
09/17/20 8:29:09 PM
#241:


Grimlyn posted...
yes tony would be "free" to bring up dumb twitter randos and we're plenty "free" to call it stupid

yes and then i'm "free" to call your post stupid and annoying.

nice to have all this freedom!

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Grimlyn
09/17/20 8:33:23 PM
#242:


yeah alright I'm not gonna bother with this cyclic stupidity, I'll just exercise my own "freedom" here

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Mr Lasastryke
09/17/20 8:34:57 PM
#243:


GMUN literally blocked me over this? lol ok. expected better from him.

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UshiromiyaEva
09/17/20 8:40:41 PM
#244:


Rogan sucks.

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Corrik7
09/17/20 9:21:47 PM
#245:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
I like to think I shit on many people in this topic all the time.
We are clearly the shitters of this topic.

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09/17/20 11:18:00 PM
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HeroicCrono
09/18/20 12:00:38 AM
#247:


Trump says he's not going to prepare for the debates. I really doubt that, but as someone who never liked studying or preparing or doing homework, I approve.
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LordoftheMorons
09/18/20 12:21:48 AM
#248:


HeroicCrono posted...
Trump says he's not going to prepare for the debates. I really doubt that, but as someone who never liked studying or preparing or doing homework, I approve.
Ironically this is one of the rare times where Id bet Trump is telling the truth!

Not much reason to prepare when youre gonna pull everything out of your ass anyway

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09/18/20 3:23:29 AM
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LordoftheMorons
09/18/20 4:32:06 AM
#250:


https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1306834907973513217?s=21

Rejecting votes because people forget to fucking double-envelope them is completely ridiculous and anti-democratic.

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Corrik7
09/18/20 4:36:45 AM
#251:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/redistrict/status/1306834907973513217?s=21

Rejecting votes because people forget to fucking double-envelope them is completely ridiculous and anti-democratic.
Is it as ridiculous as denying candidates on ballots because they moved or because their vice president faxed in their forms on time but it wasn't printed in time?

Edit: Okay it's a sleeve you put your ballot into before mailing it. So in a way it is double enclosed.

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