Poll of the Day > MAGA Alert: NJ Shop owner charges ppl $10 Extra for not speaking English!

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/speak-english-or-pay-10-extra-shop-owner-s-sign-causes-uproar-in-diverse-n-j-city/ar-BB18WC7q?ocid=hplocalnews

Jewish Shop owner, Dave Feinberg hung out a sign stating Customers who don't speak English will have a $10 surcharge.

Do you agree with this? (Poll Question)

i don't have to agree with it. its a private business and they can do whatever they want, including moves that are bad for their own bottom line.

Maybe his property taxes should go up since he likely doesn't speak any Native American dialects

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In some cases, I can see language barriers effectively adding an additional cost due to how much they can slow down service, in which case a surcharge might be justifiable, but dude runs a sharpening shop. I doubt he's ever got enough customers for a couple minutes' delay to result in significant lost business, nor is he likely to encounter particularly complex customer interactions that would be significantly complicated by a poor grasp of English. It doesn't exactly take much linguistic prowess to say "please sharpen this."

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So does he charge extra for people that dont speak at all? Theyre not speaking English either.

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1) Duckbear already did this topic. I knew Duckbear. Duckbear was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Duckbear.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78967690

2) Once again, how is this a "MAGA Alert"? It feels like you're still just trying to copy a clickbait gimmick like Duckbear's and failing miserably. Once again, I knew Duckbear. Duckbear was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Duckbear.

3) I broadly support shopowners' right to charge what they want -- provided that they haven't made contracts with distributors/manufacturers to charge certain prices -- and, generally speaking, if one business owner isn't working out for customers, they can go to another business. Doubly so since something like a knife store is pretty fringe.

To sum it all up, I knew Duckbear. Duckbear was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Duckbear.

adjl posted... In some cases, I can see language barriers effectively adding an additional cost due to how much they can slow down service, in which case a surcharge might be justifiable, but dude runs a sharpening shop. I doubt he's ever got enough customers for a couple minutes' delay to result in significant lost business, nor is he likely to encounter particularly complex customer interactions that would be significantly complicated by a poor grasp of English. It doesn't exactly take much linguistic prowess to say "please sharpen this."

Apparently he made the sign because he got pissed off after a long interaction with a customer he couldn't understand because they insisted in only speaking Spanish and, after posting the sign, pretty quickly took it down when people complained. Right now it's just people spiking the ball. They already got what they wanted, most of the people who complained loudest would never shop there anyway, and it's unlikely he would have actually charged anybody extra in the first place, but they want to go to great pains to harm the guy because he posted the sign in the first place, presumably to send a message to the next person who might consider doing something similar.

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^I did a search and nothing came up///but Mr. D-Bear steal/repost my topics all the time, so it's a moot point.

Make America Sharp Again

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Fam_Fam posted...

i don't have to agree with it. its a private business and they can do whatever they want, including moves that are bad for their own bottom line.

I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure being a private business doesn't allow you to discriminate in this kind of fashion. I would imagine there are laws protecting people from being charged extra due to that type of characteristic. And if there isn't, somehow, there fucking should be, alright?

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Fam_Fam posted...

i don't have to agree with it. its a private business and they can do whatever they want, including moves that are bad for their own bottom line.

No they can't. This is illegal under discrimination laws.
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Revelation34 posted...

No they can't. This is illegal under discrimination laws.

he doesnt have to agree with it

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Mead posted...

he doesnt have to agree with it

If he doesn't want to get arrested or sued he does.
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Revelation34 posted...

If he doesn't want to get arrested or sued he does.

The suit would be thrown out if his business, or its advertisements, does not cross state lines. He can run his private business how he wants, and people don't have to partake in said business.

This isn't like the couple with the cakes, who gave the gay couple's information to other people to harass them with, chase them out of town when they had wanted to marry so they could adopt a dying/late friend's daughter, and, you know, the cherry on top was that we as the public only got to hear or read about the gay couple being denied business and the lawsuit that came of it. No, this private store's case does not sound quite like that.

Now if said store owner was giving private information, belonging to non-English speaking customers, to other parties, then we'd have a serious problem. Until then, yeah, people can choose to go elsewhere.

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Revelation34 posted...

No they can't. This is illegal under discrimination laws.

maybe he has to hire people that speak other languages, which would increase his costs
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Entity13 posted...

The suit would be thrown out if his business, or its advertisements, does not cross state lines. He can run his private business how he wants, and people don't have to partake in said business.

This isn't like the couple with the cakes, who gave the gay couple's information to other people to harass them with, chase them out of town when they had wanted to marry so they could adopt a dying/late friend's daughter, and, you know, the cherry on top was that we as the public only got to hear or read about the gay couple being denied business and the lawsuit that came of it. No, this private store's case does not sound quite like that.

Now if said store owner was giving private information, belonging to non-English speaking customers, to other parties, then we'd have a serious problem. Until then, yeah, people can choose to go elsewhere.

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You clearly don't know American discrimination laws then.
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Revelation34 posted...

You clearly don't know American discrimination laws then.

he doesnt have to agree with it

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Zeus posted...

2) Once again, how is this a "MAGA Alert"?

You're not new here, you know people have used "Maga alert" for thread titles in the past when someone does something racist.

Revelation34 posted...

You clearly don't know American discrimination laws then.

If I could remember which case it was, I'd link it. However, there was one in which discrimination was the issue, but the business in question alleged to be private. The business only lost this case because of a brochure in a hotel in another state. Since their business was advertised across state lines, it became a national issue, and the discrimination was found illegal. I'd love it if I remembered where to find this as an example of how our country, and its states and territories, handle discrimination.

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I think it's perfectly reasonable. If I go to a foreign country and can't speak the language, I would expect plenty of businesses not to cater to me.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think it's perfectly reasonable. If I go to a foreign country and can't speak the language, I would expect plenty of businesses not to cater to me.

That's bullshit. I work in customer service, and I can't imagine not helping someone for any reason other than them being a super rude jerk. If someone can't speak English, I'll use Google translate or something. People are people, and we should treat them with respect and decency.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think it's perfectly reasonable. If I go to a foreign country and can't speak the language, I would expect plenty of businesses not to cater to me.

Its happened before, sure. Two wrongs don't make a right though as they say.

I think its bad for business, less customers, less money.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I think it's perfectly reasonable. If I go to a foreign country and can't speak the language, I would expect plenty of businesses not to cater to me.

What could you even say without Google Translate?

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zebatov posted...

What could you even say without Google Translate?

Yeah, unfortunately, I have to admit there's a chance I'd be like "I can't understand you" and try to hint to them point at what they want.

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Whats the back story

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He's Jewish though, so it's ok, it would only be wrong if a straight white male did that

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Muscles posted...

He's Jewish though, so it's ok, it would only be wrong if a straight white male did that

classic muscles post

If you're living in a country, you should attempt to learn the language but charging non-English speakers is basically a "fuck you" to foreigners, living or visiting, which is textbook racism.

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beefcake71090 posted...

That's bullshit. I work in customer service, and I can't imagine not helping someone for any reason other than them being a super rude jerk. If someone can't speak English, I'll use Google translate or something. People are people, and we should treat them with respect and decency.

How in the fuck are you going to use Google Translate for speech?

SunWuKung420 posted...

If you're living in a country, you should attempt to learn the language but charging non-English speakers is basically a "fuck you" to foreigners, living or visiting, which is textbook racism.

No it would be textbook xenophobia.
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Revelation34 posted...

How in the fuck are you going to use Google Translate for speech?

Not sure if serious

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Not sure if serious

So you're just going to type it in while somebody is talking to you in a foreign language? Sounds legit.
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...still not sure if serious

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How can a Jewish person defend a guy who blatantly supports neo-Nazis and Klansmen? Politics can be so stupid sometimes.

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Muscles posted...

He's Jewish though, so it's ok, it would only be wrong if a straight white male did that

yeah straight white men truly are the most oppressed of all

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restaurants can charge more for bigger groups, it make more work for them so they charge more.

this also makes more work for them
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beefcake71090 posted...

That's bullshit. I work in customer service, and I can't imagine not helping someone for any reason other than them being a super rude jerk. If someone can't speak English, I'll use Google translate or something. People are people, and we should treat them with respect and decency.

And I probably would too, but I certainly shouldn't HAVE to do that and if I own the store I should be able to kick people out or charge whatever I want (assuming it is clear before rendering services) at the risk of my business getting less customers. If my business does just fine with a sign out front saying something like "no tourists" then why should I have to cater to tourists as an example.

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How an old man with a loser job has never taken the time to learn the 2nd most known language is beyond the tiny chihuahua saying he wants Taco Bell.

Fam_Fam posted...

i don't have to agree with it. its a private business and they can do whatever they want, including moves that are bad for their own bottom line.

This.

That said, if it's a pain in the ass for him to deal with people that can't read or speak the primary language of the country, then he might as well call it a convenience fee.

Just advertising it on his front door makes him look an asshole trying to take a political stance, though. And that's likely all it is.

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Mead posted...

yeah straight white men truly are the most oppressed of all

Way to have a victim complex smh, you straight white males know no bounds in your manipulation

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Muscles posted...

Way to have a victim complex smh, you straight white males know no bounds in your manipulation

hey you cant assume my thingies

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Mead posted...

hey you cant assume my thingies

Well you can't assume I assumed that

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JoseAAV posted...

How an old man with a loser job has never taken the time to learn the 2nd most known language is beyond the tiny chihuahua saying he wants Taco Bell.

if you know the primary language of your country then that is enough. if you move somewhere you don't know the language, you should learn it. don't expect others to cater to you
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That depends... is the surcharge being used to pay for a translator?

'cuz that's pretty much the only way that's gunna work

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