Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 318: Markey Matchup

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Dem primary on Tuesday in Massachusetts! Vote Markey!

I almost went with Markey, Marco, and a Flunky Bunch to reference the Massachusetts Dem primary, the hurricanes, and the RNC

But it was too abstract and the timeline is too far apart I think!
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Supporting violence and crime is wrong. End of story. It is not okay. Acceptable. Or right. Don't begin to think that extremism and terrorism is fine because you are in a bubble.

I mean, the gun nuts on the right are always talking about rising up against tyrannical government.

i dont know what topic we are using.

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we are using this topic

because pun

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Didn't see that this topic existed.

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2020 primary be like

https://twitter.com/DemFromCT/status/1300162971272990720?s=19

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I know their positions are similar but Im going to be bummed if Markey loses because someone with the last name Kennedy wandered into the primary.

(Yes I know there is more to him than that Im just bitter with his strategy here)

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/christian-fundraising-raised-over-250-004248980.html

Just like Jesus would have wanted

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Could have sworn the bible had something to say about killing!

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Should have included the first reply with it

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1300304232088707072?s=21

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Presented without comment:

https://twitter.com/THEHermanCain/status/1300211456126803968

(I guess one comment just in case; the linked article does not at all support the idea that covid killed fewer people than officially recorded)

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TONY'd by seven seconds.

Worth seeing twice though!

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Oh I deleted my first post because my very quick glance at the article made me think it was making the same argument zombie Herman Cain was (but it's actually just saying that 94% of covid deaths presented with comorbidities without the ridiculous conclusion that that means that covid wasn't a cause of death).

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https://mobile.twitter.com/StarTribune/status/1300246175061291009

Duh.

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Trying to diminish COVID is such a bizarre strategic blunder. You cant lie about it and get away with it, its a virus, it just is. And if you tell people not to worry and they go about their lives as normal, guess what, the infection will spread, and it turns out openly letting people die is never a popular strategy.

On the other hand, look at the countries where the government has been honest about it and taken direct action against the virus. Rocketing government approval ratings and polling, even in more badly affected countries. When it turns on you is when the government betrays public trust.

A good case study in this is the UK. The Tories got 43% at the last election, were stable around there until COVID hit and their polling skyrocketed to ~55% even though their response was fairly poor because they were at least trying to handle it and people gave them the benefit of the doubt. Then the Dominic Cummings scandal happened (for those unfamiliar, powerful adviser repeatedly violated lockdown and received no punishment), they crashed to 40% and are level pegging with Labour just months after a big victory. This happened because they broke public trust on a disease and you cant lie your way out of the health consequences. Something similar is happening in Ireland too as they retightened restrictions then a bunch of government officials broke them.

All you need to do is be seen to handle it. Just do something, it doesnt even need to work.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Trying to diminish COVID is such a bizarre strategic blunder. You cant lie about it and get away with it, its a virus, it just is. And if you tell people not to worry and they go about their lives as normal, guess what, the infection will spread, and it turns out openly letting people die is never a popular strategy.

On the other hand, look at the countries where the government has been honest about it and taken direct action against the virus. Rocketing government approval ratings and polling, even in more badly affected countries. When it turns on you is when the government betrays public trust.

A good case study in this is the UK. The Tories got 43% at the last election, were stable around there until COVID hit and their polling skyrocketed to ~55% even though their response was fairly poor because they were at least trying to handle it and people gave them the benefit of the doubt. Then the Dominic Cummings scandal happened (for those unfamiliar, powerful adviser repeatedly violated lockdown and received no punishment), they crashed to 40% and are level pegging with Labour just months after a big victory. This happened because they broke public trust on a disease and you cant lie your way out of the health consequences. Something similar is happening in Ireland too as they retightened restrictions then a bunch of government officials broke them.

All you need to do is be seen to handle it. Just do something, it doesnt even need to work.

I don't know what leaders in other countries handling covid poorly are thinking, but Donald Trump has been bullshitting his way through his entire life and he's not gonna let a little thing like 180000 dead Americans stop him now!

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Yeah that's really why a lot of these right "populist" types have been running into problems now. You can't lie your way out of a pandemic.

That doesn't mean that people won't try though!

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The amount of extremism and handwaving of what amounts to terrorism when described by some of you is extremely worrying. This bubble has really warped some of your views very badly.

Supporting violence and crime is wrong. End of story. It is not okay. Acceptable. Or right. Don't begin to think that extremism and terrorism is fine because you are in a bubble.

also corrik: "i think GWB was a good president"

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

also corrik: "i think GWB was a good president"

Whataboutism to try and handwave supporting extremist criminal activities.

Also a pisspoor as fuck attempt too.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Rocketing government approval ratings and polling, even in more badly affected countries.

this frustrates me, actually. our prime minister sucks but his approval rating has been through the roof since the pandemic started affecting my country.

funny thing is that his covid response hasn't been that great. he just did a relatively good job compared to people like trump and bolsonaro.

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Corrik7 posted...

Whataboutism to try and handwave supporting extremist criminal activities.

whenever people say "whataboutism," what they really mean is "you just pointed out how i'm a fucking hypocrite and i have no argument."

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The reason Boris Johnson handled the pandemic okay is because he himself contracted the virus.

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Also speaking of covid, fuck this guy:

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1300407443071983616

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

whenever people say "whataboutism," what they really mean is "you just pointed out how i'm a fucking hypocrite and i have no argument."

And you didn't point out any hypocrisy and just sound like a loon trying to support criminal behaviors.

Like I said, it was a terrible attempt at it.

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Corrik7 posted...

And you didn't point out any hypocrisy and just sound like a loon trying to support criminal behaviors.

Like I said, it was a terrible attempt at it.

you think GWB never committed an act of violence during his presidency, you piece of shit?


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https://www.foxnews.com/media/brandon-straka-walkaway-anti-gay-attack-rnc

Fox News because it was covered on fox news.

Conservative gay dude was harassed by BLM protesters and is causing a bit of the stir in the broader LGBTQ community. Don't know if the video he took has full context but looks pretty bad at a glance, which is disappointing.

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The Herman Cain zombie tweet has been deleted, so for posterity:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1300415126986731524

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Conservative gay dude was harassed by BLM protesters and is causing a bit of the stir in the broader LGBTQ community. Don't know if the video he took has full context but looks pretty bad at a glance, which is disappointing.

Like most conservatives, Straka is a grifter. So I'll take this with a huge grain of salt.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

you think GWB never committed an act of violence during his presidency, you piece of shit?

No, I do not think George W Bush ever committed domestic violence/terrorism or criminal activity in his role as president. You are going to spout some stupid war crime nonsense that applies to every last president that ever existed because it is not real and not a single president has ever been convicted of it due to its frivolous claim.

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Oh and hey Lasa called someone a piece of shit because he makes bad arguments and is upset when called out on them.

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killing tons of innocent people in a pointless war: totally fine.

destroying one target building: OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER THIS BUBBLE HAS WARPED YOUR VIEWS SO BADLY.

corrik logic.


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You can say that a lot of us presidents committed war crimes, the only difference between them and GWB is that GWB was during our lifetime, it's OK to be honest with your history

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lol. literally warned for insulting corrik but of course he can call me a "loon" without any repercussions.

bUt ThE mOdS aRe So BiAsEd

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It might just maybe be that no US president has been tried/convicted of war crimes because the only court with international jurisdiction to pursue that literally has to contend with a law that Bush signed that literally authorizes the President to use any and all means to free any US or allied personnel detained or imprisoned by, or at the request, of the International Criminal Court. Like it literally preemptively authorizes military force against The Hague if need be.

Not to mention that Trump has stepped up hostilities against the ICC and its staff, including imposing sanctions against all officials and employees - including their families - that were investigating crimes against humanity in Afghanistan which has been met with disapproval by human rights groups and the UN. And hell, even on its best days the US hasn't exactly cooperated well with the ICC.

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Personally, in a perfect world, there would be no looting or rioting. But we don't live in a perfect world, so it's really difficult for me to give a shit about destruction of property, when it's in direct response to the complete disregard for human life on display under our current system of policing. Like, calling us terrorist sympathizers or whatever DOES come across as hypocritical when you're simultaneously arguing "It's okay for the police to murder innocents, because the law says they can, and I refuse to acknowledge that this is morally wrong, because I personally want them to be able to indiscriminately murder so I feel safer."

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

The reason Boris Johnson handled the pandemic okay is because he himself contracted the virus.

Oh he handled it pretty damn poorly and thats part of why he contracted the virus at all. Indeed hes now getting punished for it. But he did something. Which is more than you can say for the American right and the likes of Bolsonaro who literally thought they could lie and diminish their way out of it. And Trump is still pushing these conspiracy theories. It amazes me that they havent realised they need to change course.

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I am going to take a moment to laugh at China's official count of COVID-19 cases being less than 100,000.

Doing research for work and that is just amazingly bad lying.

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China basically stopped admitting people are getting COVID a few months ago.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

killing tons of innocent people in a pointless war: totally fine.

destroying one target building: OMG THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER THIS BUBBLE HAS WARPED YOUR VIEWS SO BADLY.

corrik logic.

George Bush went to war for not allowing investigators in as was per the UN mandate. Whether they had nuclear weapons or not is frivolous because the mandate stated they had to submit to investigators to check for them. They could have let them in and not had a war.

I am sure innocent people have died in every war that has ever existed in all of time. That is war.

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Corrik7 posted...

I am sure innocent people have died in every war that has ever existed in all of time. That is war.

so that makes it ok? unlike destroying one target building?

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Inviso posted...

Personally, in a perfect world, there would be no looting or rioting.

Slight correction - in a perfect world, there would be no reason for looting or rioting, because everyone would be economically secure and would not live in fear of being murdered by the police.

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HarshRapDebater posted...

so that makes it ok? unlike destroying one target building?

You are equating war to domestic violence and crime. It's a false equivalency.

You are also misleading in acting like a single target building. Yes, any crime committed in the United States is wrong and should be prosecuted because it is wrong. The fact you are trying to condone crime as okay is a problem. This is just becoming extremized.

A correct equivalence would be comparing destroying an abortion clinic to destroying a target. Both are for "moral" and "political" reasons. Both are wrong, crimes, and reprehensible.

You are trying to pick and choose what crime is acceptable based on your personal morals. No one should do this. Everyone has different morals and strong beliefs, and because we have those beliefs doesn't make crimes in their name correct.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Oh he handled it pretty damn poorly and thats part of why he contracted the virus at all. Indeed hes now getting punished for it. But he did something. Which is more than you can say for the American right and the likes of Bolsonaro who literally thought they could lie and diminish their way out of it. And Trump is still pushing these conspiracy theories. It amazes me that they havent realised they need to change course.

The way I see it, Trump feels like he loses the support of his base if he takes the pandemic seriously so he has to dance around it. Doesn't help that he disbanded the government's pandemic response team back in 2018 because he didn't want to have them just sitting there twiddling their thumbs, so he'd just be admitting defeat and he kind of doesn't want to do that during an election year.

Still makes it plainly obvious Trump cares only for himself and merely pretends to care for the country.

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Corrik7 posted...

Yes, any crime committed in the United States is wrong and should be prosecuted because it is wrong.

this is fucking insane.

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HarshRapDebater posted...

this is fucking insane.

It's fucking insane to prosecute crimes because they are wrong. Oh boy. Yeah, I am done responding to you on that note.

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Corrik7 posted...

You are equating war to domestic violence and crime. It's a false equivalency.

You are also misleading in acting like a single target building. Yes, any crime committed in the United States is wrong and should be prosecuted because it is wrong. The fact you are trying to condone crime as okay is a problem. This is just becoming extremized.

A correct equivalence would be comparing destroying an abortion clinic to destroying a target. Both are for "moral" and "political" reasons. Both are wrong, crimes, and reprehensible.

You are trying to pick and choose what crime is acceptable based on your personal morals. No one should do this. Everyone has different morals and strong beliefs, and because we have those beliefs doesn't make crimes in their name correct.

And you've defended murder because it's legally allowed. No consideration of whether it's morally right for police to have zero accountability when they murder unarmed civilians. Just "It's legal, therefore it's fine." That's some Ben Shapiro levels of "slavery was fine until it was outlawed, and then it became bad" logic.

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Corrik7 posted...

some stupid war crime nonsense that applies to every last president that ever existed

Now youre getting it!
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Corrik7 posted...

It's fucking insane to prosecute crimes because they are wrong. Oh boy. Yeah, I am done responding to you on that note.

How do you feel about sodomy laws and inter-race marriage bans that both have been on the book in some places in the US in your lifetime?

Some are still there.

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Inviso posted...

And you've defended murder because it's legally allowed. No consideration of whether it's morally right for police to have zero accountability when they murder unarmed civilians. Just "It's legal, therefore it's fine." That's some Ben Shapiro levels of "slavery was fine until it was outlawed, and then it became bad" logic.

No, I have defended people who have followed the law and the law.

I understand you wish to change laws. I think your changes in the law are a bit under thought and would cause more problems than you realize. However, the law is the law. There is no legality to burning down a business.

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Corrik7 posted...

It's fucking insane to prosecute crimes because they are wrong. Oh boy. Yeah, I am done responding to you on that note.

it's fucking insane to defend the stance that "100% of crimes committed in the US are wrong and should be prosecuted."

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Lasa you realize thats always been his stance though right?

His entire concept of justice comes from what the laws say
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