Current Events > If Trump wins in November...so be it.

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Make no mistake, I'm going out and voting Trump out of office.

However, I do not blame anyone for sitting this election out. The Democratic Party has repeatedly proved themselves to be completely tone deaf, and at the end of the day, it's their job to convince people that they'll do a good job in office.

A Trump re-election shows that they've failed to do that. That is not the failure of the American people. The system is suppose to work for us, not the other way around and at some point, we have to stop this toxic cycle of things being "expected" of the American people without anything being given back in return.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Make no mistake, I'm going out and voting Trump out of office.

However, I do not blame anyone for sitting this election out. The Democratic Party has repeatedly proved themselves to be completely tone deaf, and at the end of the day, it's their job to convince people that they'll do a good job in office.

A Trump re-election shows that they've failed to do that. That is not the failure of the American people. The system is suppose to work for us, not the other way around and at some point, we have to stop this toxic cycle of things being "expected" of the American people without anything being given back in return.

yep the DNC shouldve picked Ben Carson to run


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What kills me is that even if you vote for biden, unless you become a partisan hack and give your soul to the party, you're still not pure enough and are basically a piece of shit.

EDIT: I'm also seeing the same hubris from the left that was there in the 2016 election starting to creep back in.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

However, I do not blame anyone for sitting this election out.

Idiots

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pogo_rabid posted...

What kills me is that even if you vote for biden, unless you become a partisan hack and give your soul to the party, you're still not pure enough and are basically a piece of shit.

then vote for Trump

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

then vote for Trump

Why would I vote for trump? He's a monster.

Doesn't mean I need to join the hivemind and pretend that Biden is god's gift to the world.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

yep the DNC shouldve picked Ben Carson to run

wat

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trump has already declared he's going to do everything he can to block votes from democrats, his dick riding trolls realize they cant really defend literal treason, so they instead come out and bitch about the DNC...

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i was bernie all the way and i'll happily vote for biden

refusing to vote because you don't want to support "the lesser of two evils" is a failure of a strategy and it only moves countries to the right

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pogo_rabid posted...

Why would I vote for trump? He's a monster.

Doesn't mean I need to join the hivemind and pretend that Biden is god's gift to the world.

then dont ******** vote, Im sorry a party do not appeal to spoiled children that want radicalism for the lolz....realized the republicans do this lol

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

then dont ******** vote, Im sorry whole parties do not appeal to spoiled children that want radicalism for the lolz

pogo_rabid posted...

What kills me is that even if you vote for biden, unless you become a partisan hack and give your soul to the party, you're still not pure enough and are basically a piece of shit.

EDIT: I'm also seeing the same hubris from the left that was there in the 2016 election starting to creep back in.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

i was bernie all the way and i'll happily vote for biden

refusing to vote because you don't want to support "the lesser of two evils" is a failure of a strategy and it only moves countries to the right

I voted for Bernie because I thought he was the best candidate to defeat trump at the time. Now, its time to beat Trump, **** Trump!

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Why did the Democrats lose in 2016 @pogo_rabid

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...Jedi.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The system is suppose to work for us, not the other way around

Incorrect, the system only works properly with enthusiastic engagement from the population.

I want more progressive representation, so I voted for a more progressive candidate in the primary. They didn't win, so now I choose between the options that I have, because I'm a fucking adult and not a child whining that I'd rather starve than eat carrots.

pogo_rabid posted...

Why would I vote for trump? He's a monster.

Forget about parties for a moment, if you really think Trump is a monster then you have a moral obligation to vote for Biden.


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Mecha Sonic posted...

i was bernie all the way a

I recall you were very anti Bernie in 2016

If he wins we just have to hope he doesn't cause too much damage in the next four years.

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What bothers me is the complete faith people have in a system that's already been proven to be broken, if Trump wins people will act like he won legitimately and it's just sour grapes from the Dems, if Dems lose they'll blame the progressives, the youth, the Bernie bros,ect and of course there's also the people who think by "Teaching dems a lesson" dems will start respecting their ideals more, if anything if Dems lose again they're gonna start moving center right

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If you can look at 160k+ dead from how poorly Covid has been handled and still not vote for Biden because he "isn't progressive enough for you" then you are selfish beyond saving.

You want to fight for more progressive views because that's what you believe in? Good. That's the American way. But there is a time and a place for that. It's not when The alternative is 1000 Americans dying on a daily basis. Biden may not have been the candidate you wanted, but to risk American lives because of an inability to compromise is inexcusable.

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Tenlaar posted...

Incorrect, the system only works properly with enthusiastic engagement from the population.

If your people aren't engaged and aren't enthusiastic, then you've done something wrong.

Complacency begets apathy.

You also don't get to alienate your voter base (i.e., "if you don't vote for me, you ain't black") and then still act like you're entitled to their vote.

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Shitty as they may be, if you don't vote then you are responsible (if perhaps not as much) as those voting for Trump.

You are either a shitty person enabling him and his abhorrent actions, or you're voting against him. Democrats are far, far, far, far from perfect but they are infinitely better than the Republican party and Trump at this point.

Every vote counts, this time more than ever with his open efforts to suppress voting. He's openly trying to stop people voting against him so anyone who can needs to, to ensure that he can't force himself into an unwanted position.

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It'd be better that way. I'm not going to vote for the Riot Party.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

If your people aren't engaged and aren't enthusiastic, then you've done something wrong.

Complacency begets apathy.

You're still saying "it's their job, not mine" but in a different way. And I'll still respond that you're incorrect and that being engaged in the process is the responsibility of the populace.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

That is not the failure of the American people

lol

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Biden might not be the best choice but he isn't a dangerous maniac like Trump is. And now Congress has proved he can't be held accountable for anything so we're gonna have 4 years of Trump doing even worse shit. I don't understand how people can justify that in the slightest.

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Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Bernie Sanders

Attorney General Adam Schiff (or Doug Jones)

Treasury Secretary Elizabeth Warren

If President Biden and Vice President Harris aren't names that appeal to you then I hope a few those do at least

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what's funny is voting for biden/trump doesn't even matter unless you're in a swing state and most people on here don't live in one. yet everyone acts like its life or death for all cemen to fall in line behind center right biden as if that's your moral obligation if you live in a red or blue state

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pogo_rabid posted...

What kills me is that even if you vote for biden, unless you become a partisan hack and give your soul to the party, you're still not pure enough and are basically a piece of shit.

EDIT: I'm also seeing the same hubris from the left that was there in the 2016 election starting to creep back in.

agreed on both counts.

it almost makes me want to see trump win so I can lecture the enlightened voters with their strict purity standards, the bOtH sIdEs people and the arrogant we already won this election types when trump gets unhinged and drives us to facism after he wins.

Shelhamer92 posted...

If you can look at 160k+ dead from how poorly Covid has been handled and still not vote for Biden because he "isn't progressive enough for you" then you are selfish beyond saving.

You want to fight for more progressive views because that's what you believe in? Good. That's the American way. But there is a time and a place for that. It's not when The alternative is 1000 Americans dying on a daily basis. Biden may not have been the candidate you wanted, but to risk American lives because of an inability to compromise is inexcusable.

agreed

Shelhamer92 posted...

If you can look at 160k+ dead from how poorly Covid has been handled and still not vote for Biden because he "isn't progressive enough for you" then you are selfish beyond saving.

You want to fight for more progressive views because that's what you believe in? Good. That's the American way. But there is a time and a place for that. It's not when The alternative is 1000 Americans dying on a daily basis. Biden may not have been the candidate you wanted, but to risk American lives because of an inability to compromise is inexcusable.

herd immunity is going to hit us by the time biden steps into office and says "close the gates"

lurk posted...

herd immunity is going to hit us by the time biden steps into office and says "close the gates"

no it won't. we wouldn't see herd immunity for at least another year or two. we're nowhere close to it and we're a few million dead away before we are

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lurk posted...

herd immunity is going to hit us by the time biden steps into office and says "close the gates"

people actually believe this

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mustachedmystic posted...

Forget about parties for a moment, if you really think Trump is a monster then you have a moral obligation to vote for Biden.

Are you not reading what is being posted?

I literally said I am voting for biden.

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pogo_rabid posted...

What kills me is that even if you vote for biden, unless you become a partisan hack and give your soul to the party, you're still not pure enough and are basically a piece of shit.

EDIT: I'm also seeing the same hubris from the left that was there in the 2016 election starting to creep back in.

Democrats are not "the left".

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pogo_rabid posted...

Are you not reading what is being posted?

I literally said I am voting for biden.

yeah but Biden is clearly not the lesser of two evils because your candidate didnt win. If you actually read **** instead of **** and moan about being a near crypto fascist, you would know that Biden actually brings progressive policies to the table and not some old school neo liberal Proto whatever lol.

im also waiting for the answer lol

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I really wanted to see Bernie succeed. He's no crazier than Biden or Trump.

Biden is a weak consolation prize. I just wish he weren't so cocky about being the alternative. The progressive left see him as being just as bad as Trump. Worse in some ways.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Why did the Democrats lose in 2016 @pogo_rabid

A mix of hubris, purity checks, demonizing fellow democrats, not taking into account the country at large and only living in theilr little bubbles so they thought they had it in the bag.

On the right, you have gerrymandering, radicalism, and xenophobia getting them the W.

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And this topic is what I mean. You have these biden supporters doing their best to shit on people that are voting for their side because they're not being a mindless cheerleader.

Fuck that. Trump is a monster and criminial, but Biden is a horrible canidate and a piece of shit. He's no Obama, why should I get excited for him? I'm begrugingly voting for him out of necessity.

You partisan hacks should count your lucky stars Trump is as bad as he is. In any normal election, Biden would be considered a joke candidate.

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pogo_rabid posted...

A mix of hubris, purity checks, demonizing fellow democrats, not taking into account the country at large and only living in theilr little bubbles so they thought they had it in the bag.

On the right, you have gerrymandering, radicalism, and xenophobia getting them the W.

but they won the popular vote by more than 2 million though

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

but they won the popular vote by more than 2 million though

The popular vote doesn't matter, current voting rules make elections a "game". The repubs outplayed us last time because they were more willing to use scumbag tactics to bend the results in their favor.

I'm all for getting rid of the EC, but until that happens, the popular vote is worth less than the time it takes to type out the letters.

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ThyCorndog posted...

what's funny is voting for biden/trump doesn't even matter unless you're in a swing state and most people on here don't live in one. yet everyone acts like its life or death for all cemen to fall in line behind center right biden as if that's your moral obligation if you live in a red or blue state

Yeah Indiana (where I live) will choose Trump and I know it. I am going to vote more for personal reasons then anything else.

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The election is never about which one is the best for America, it's always been 'who is the lesser of two evils'.

Fast forward to November.

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Ryven posted...

The election is never about which one is the best for America, it's always been 'who is the lesser of two evils'.

I wish people would quit parroting this

It doesn't make you sound socially intelligent or profound

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Doom_Art posted...

I wish people would quit parroting this

It doesn't make you sound socially intelligent or profound

I mean it's not like what he said was meant to be super thought-provoking and deep, but he's right, at least when it comes to post-Trump America.

90% of the people you ask why they're voting for Biden, it's because they want Trump out of office. Nothing about his policies. And another 5% of people think Biden will be a return to the Obama years just because he was his VP.

I mean, it's impossible to deny that the center focus of discussion about Biden has more to do with getting Trump out than legitimate support for Biden. Even the people in this topic arguing against me aren't enthusiastic about Biden. So what does that tell you?

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Its always some white dude like doom_art who acts like that

I'm gonna blame the hell out of anyone who could have voted against Trump but chose not to.
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The reason millenials are where they are right now is because the system has never in their lifetimes, has been in their favor.

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