Current Events > Protestors block courthouse so landlords can't file evictions

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They won't pay their rent, then wonder why when they request maintenance on a broken pipe or something they won't come for days or weeks.


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looked posted...

If people were more concerned with doing things for themselves they wouldnt have to rely on the government for handouts.

Yes bootstraps are what would have kept everyone employed during a global pandemic. Clearly all those small business owners and landlords are just bad with money if they're struggling right now. Just a bunch of parasites. If you failed, then fuck you it's your fault.

Take your Bioshock bullshit elsewhere.

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looked posted...

If people were more concerned with doing things for themselves they wouldnt have to rely on the government for handouts.

that is not true.

capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass. if more people were "more concerned with doing things for themselves", there would just be a lot more poor people who were "more concerned with doing things for themselves"

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Just wanted to say I appreciate your posts and that you are a poster here @legendary_zell

DoubleDare posted...

They won't pay their rent, then wonder why when they request maintenance on a broken pipe or something they won't come for days or weeks.

Last time I rented, it was for 3 years. Never once had the landlord come in to fix anything. He simply profited off of my labor all that time. What a lazy, entitled man my landlord was.

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DoubleDare posted...

They won't pay their rent, then wonder why when they request maintenance on a broken pipe or something they won't come for days or weeks.

I pay my rent on time and what I get in return is 3 weeks to get a toilet seat replaced and an increase in rent.

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legendary_zell posted...

In the it view, when someone is homeless it's because they were lazy when someone is evicted it's because they were irresponsible

How does someone arrive to this conclusion to begin with, do you think?

skermac posted...

I thought the courts put evictions on hold until after the virus?

Mortgages were put on hold. They are still owed on a later date.

Lol they're not going to just disappear

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hockeybub89 posted...

People always want to punch down. It's bullshit.

Yeah, and unfortunately the only option most of us have is to go after the people one above us in the chain. Sure if people could do stuff to mess with lawmakers lives until they fix this shit, they should, but lawmakers have tons of bullshit layers of protection.

It's an ok strategy to say "Tenants should block landlords from fucking them, if this fucks landlords then landlords should fuck the people above them, and if they are fucked then they should fuck the people above them, until finally the lawmakers get fucked until they fix it.

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Shablagoo posted...

Just wanted to say I appreciate your posts and that you are a poster here @legendary_zell

Last time I rented, it was for 3 years. Never once had the landlord come in to fix anything. He simply profited off of my labor all that time. What a lazy, entitled man my landlord was.

Thanks, I just hope someone out there reads them and shifts their thinking just a bit. We're going down a societal path we really don't wanna be on because so many people have had their brains poisoned and their empathy suppressed by this "personal responsibility in all situations" ideology that can't afford to account for systems, events, discrimination, or just plain bad luck.


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Platoe posted...

How does someone arrive to this conclusion to begin with, do you think?

A convoluted mish-mash of deeply troubled emotions

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Shablagoo posted...

A convoluted mish-mash of deeply troubled emotions

It's just so plainly not the reality that I can't believe they think it. I almost wanna say they know espousing that is bullshit and they're just happy people are suffering.

Platoe posted...

How does someone arrive to this conclusion to begin with, do you think?

It's one of the core ideologies of this country. People believe in hard work and "personal responsibility" to a magical and religious degree. Sometimes it is religious with the whole prosperity gospel and the legacy of the protestant work ethic.

They believe so much in the system that may have produced successes for themselves or their family that they believe it has some magical ability to sort out the deserving from the non deserving. Wealth and high income is seen as good because it's assumed that they did something to earn it. Poverty is bad because it's assumed they did something to earn it. Class is seen as an indicator of personal moral fiber.

That's why with knowing nothing about the people being evicted and knowing that the economy was shutdown due to a pandemic, costing these people their ability to pay rent, posters still talk about personal responsibility, get a job, government handouts etc like these are normal times. Because if bad things are happening to you, it must be your fault, your poor character is merely being revealed by you losing your home.

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One thing is that housing is viewed as a privilege instead of a right. A huge part of American culture is that you have to earn a place to live, and if you don't, you deserve to be on the streets.

That needs to change.


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legendary_zell posted...

It's one of the core ideologies of this country. People believe in hard work and "personal responsibility" to a magical and religious degree. Sometimes it is religious with the whole prosperity gospel and the legacy of the protestant work ethic.

They believe so much in the system that may have produced successes for themselves or their family that they believe it has some magical ability to sort out the deserving from the non deserving. Wealth and high income is seen as good because it's assumed that they did something to earn it. Poverty is bad because it's assumed they did something to earn it. Class is seen as an indicator of personal moral fiber.

That's why with knowing nothing about the people being evicted and knowing that the economy was shutdown due to a pandemic, costing these people their ability to pay rent, posters still talk about personal responsibility, get a job, government handouts etc like these are normal times. Because if bad things are happening to you, it must be your fault, your poor character is merely being revealed by you losing your home.

Yeah, I hate people who think like this. And what's really weird is they don't seem to bristle about entitlement when companies lobby for tax breaks, loans, or just free money. The fact they never call that shit out makes me think they are just brainwashed. Because any person who sincerely believes in everything currently being a meritocracy would by definition not believe in company bailouts or golden parachutes.

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so what's the thresh hold for rights in housing?
do the houses need all modern amenities or just a roof, climate control and some basic appliances?
should people be provided homes with wifi? are dishwashers a right?
just curious how the thought process goes on this
where's the tip point from where "this is a right" goes to "i have to earn this" ?

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If you think owning property isnt a real job then either you dont own property or your property looks like shit and hasnt been taken care of lmao

Great. Now the bank gets to foreclose a property and everyone gets evicted.

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The Trent posted...

so what's the thresh hold for rights in housing?
do the houses need all modern amenities or just a roof, climate control and some basic appliances?
should people be provided homes with wifi? are dishwashers a right?
just curious how the thought process goes on this
where's the tip point from where "this is a right" goes to "i have to earn this" ?

We can talk about that once everyone at least has that roof over their head and is secure in their physical integrity and future housing. It at least includes a permanent roof over one's head, the rest is where the debate should be. But we're not even there at this point and are seemingly fine with millions being thrown into homelessness because we think they shouldn't be given homes with wifi.


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well someone owns the house with wifi at the moment
do you purpose that house is taken from them by the government and reissued? are they compensated for this? how would any of this work?

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Skype posted...

Great. Now the bank gets to foreclose a property and everyone gets evicted.

God knows that banks are a force of nature, and not a man-made construct.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

God knows that banks are a force of nature, and not a man-made construct.

If you think an impending foreclosure wave is going to be bad, just wait until property taxes come due at the end of the year.

Skype posted...

Great. Now the bank gets to foreclose a property and everyone gets evicted.

do you think there somehow won't be protests about that too?

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The Trent posted...

well someone owns the house with wifi at the moment
do you purpose that house is taken from them by the government and reissued? are they compensated for this? how would any of this work?

The key is to decide as a government and as a society that people sleeping on the street or otherwise being insecure in their housing is 10000% unacceptable and is an indictment of our society. Once you make that commitment, a lot of options open up. The government can adopt a strategy of building new affordable housing itself, getting rid of discriminatory zoning laws, encouraging affordable housing through regulations, and subsidizing the renting of existing privately owned housing stock. I'm not saying that we get rid of the concept of landlording unless landlords decide as a class that they'd rather get in the way of housing people than contribute to society. So this plan can include payments to existing landlords rather than confiscation, they could be paid some version of the fair market value of their properties to walk away.

If landlords decide as a class not to cooperate and all of the other measures don't work, which I believe is unlikely, then we have to decide between injustices. Which injustice is worse? Families losing their homes and being unable to find shelter or safety or contribute to the economy? Or developers and property management companies losing their investment? I think the first is worse personally. Only once you get through all of that and see that there's still a huge problem with housing security do you even talk about taking homes from private individuals. I don't think that would be necessary at all.

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Here is the bottom line. You can do whatever the fuck you please with your own private property. Its private property for a reason.

imagine getting ass ravaged over the idea of someone renting a second property. You really want to abolish private property? You think you will be squatting manors, the dark knight rises style? Haha.

when some 62 violent guy named bubba takes away your car or your Xbox you better be happy, he is following your idea that private property is not a thing

^logical and stable post

hockeybub89 posted...

Yes bootstraps are what would have kept everyone employed during a global pandemic. Clearly all those small business owners and landlords are just bad with money if they're struggling right now. Just a bunch of parasites. If you failed, then fuck you it's your fault.

Take your Bioshock bullshit elsewhere.

Landlords are still on the hook for the bills. Their business is still operating, they just arent getting paid. Im sure all these people that arent paying rent still call for maintenance when something breaks down. Why should they have to cover the cost so their tenant can pay nothing? There are plenty of people that arent out of work that can pay their bills. If you cant, you got to go.

legendary_zell posted...

Only once you get through all of that and see that there's still a huge problem with housing security do you even talk about taking homes from private individuals.

Over-regulate and strangle the rental market enough, and we'll end up with a glut of unsold homes and condos that nobody can get a mortgage for (thanks, sub-prime bubble!) alongside a severe shortage of properties even available for rent. Soon after, property taxes will make those empty homes, that can't be sold and non-viable as rentals, be better off razed to the ground and taxed as an empty lot.

Then, a huge push for "single-payer housing" will begin, expecting government to fix a problem government created.

The Trent posted...

so what's the thresh hold for rights in housing?
do the houses need all modern amenities or just a roof, climate control and some basic appliances?
should people be provided homes with wifi? are dishwashers a right?
just curious how the thought process goes on this
where's the tip point from where "this is a right" goes to "i have to earn this" ?

Nearly every state has something called an implied warranty of habitability that lays out the basic criteria rental properties need to meet as it is. That is the practical standard

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What are they even protesting?

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averagejoel posted...

that is not true.

capitalism necessitates the existence of an exploited underclass. if more people were "more concerned with doing things for themselves", there would just be a lot more poor people who were "more concerned with doing things for themselves"

More poor people that want to work and better themselves sounds good to me, Im not sure what you are disagreeing with. Or are you saying there would be less people willing to do menial jobs? If so I dont agree with that sentiment.

legendary_zell posted...

It's one of the core ideologies of this country. People believe in hard work and "personal responsibility" to a magical and religious degree. Sometimes it is religious with the whole prosperity gospel and the legacy of the protestant work ethic.

They believe so much in the system that may have produced successes for themselves or their family that they believe it has some magical ability to sort out the deserving from the non deserving. Wealth and high income is seen as good because it's assumed that they did something to earn it. Poverty is bad because it's assumed they did something to earn it. Class is seen as an indicator of personal moral fiber.

That's why with knowing nothing about the people being evicted and knowing that the economy was shutdown due to a pandemic, costing these people their ability to pay rent, posters still talk about personal responsibility, get a job, government handouts etc like these are normal times. Because if bad things are happening to you, it must be your fault, your poor character is merely being revealed by you losing your home.

Thank you for the writeup. You don't think in this particular instance, it's actually genuine malice for unfortunate people? How could it not be completely obvious that responsibility has nothing to do with it here? That's why I think the people tooting that out are doing so disingenuously

Solid Sonic posted...

What are they even protesting?

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Platoe posted...

^logical and stable post

didnt you get all your accounts banned for your unstable, violent rants?

looked posted...

More poor people that want to work and better themselves sounds good to me, Im not sure what you are disagreeing with.

it's not a disagreement. this statement that you made:

looked posted...

If people were more concerned with doing things for themselves they wouldnt have to rely on the government for handouts.

is factually incorrect

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looked posted...

Landlords are still on the hook for the bills. Their business is still operating, they just arent getting paid. Im sure all these people that arent paying rent still call for maintenance when something breaks down. Why should they have to cover the cost so their tenant can pay nothing? There are plenty of people that arent out of work that can pay their bills. If you cant, you got to go.

Why weren't the landlords prepared for all possibilites? If they are struggling now, guess they should have made better choices and worked harder. Not being prepared for emergencies is on you, booboo.

Seriously though, we can't just kick a quarter or more of America into the street. As I have said before, Americans don't even know how to be selfish correctly.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

Unless a rent moratorium is rolled up with a mortgage and property tax moratorium, we've accomplished nothing.

The_homelander posted...

didnt you get all your accounts banned for your unstable, violent rants?

Says the 10 karma account

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Oatcakes posted...

Says the 10 karma account

this 10 karma account doesnt go around calling others unstable, he does. Try to keep up

Questionmarktarius posted...

Unless a rent moratorium is rolled up with a mortgage and property tax moratorium, we've solved nothing.

Thing is how would that even work? Rent isn't paid to a bank or a government entity, it's paid to a private owner.

What would really have to happen is public utilities would have to go unpaid because then the landlord wouldn't be on the hook for any bills that come with consumption in the properties they rent out.

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It's one of the core ideologies of this country. People believe in hard work and "personal responsibility" to a magical and religious degree. Sometimes it is religious with the whole prosperity gospel and the legacy of the protestant work ethic.

It's not magic, but it does determine success from failure more often than it doesn't. I was raised on food stamps and welfare Christmases and dropped out of school, now I'm working in a good career with amazing pay potential, all because I applied myself, own my mistakes, and went back to school for a degree in a field that is rapidly growing.

They believe so much in the system that may have produced successes for themselves or their family that they believe it has some magical ability to sort out the deserving from the non deserving. Wealth and high income is seen as good because it's assumed that they did something to earn it. Poverty is bad because it's assumed they did something to earn it. Class is seen as an indicator of personal moral fiber.

My family is broke, but they're broke because they don't do anything to help themselves. I lived my life using them as an example of what not to be and it has served me well so far. They're not where they are because of bad luck, they're where they are because they refused to change. And that's life, financial and otherwise.

That's why with knowing nothing about the people being evicted and knowing that the economy was shutdown due to a pandemic, costing these people their ability to pay rent, posters still talk about personal responsibility, get a job, government handouts etc like these are normal times. Because if bad things are happening to you, it must be your fault, your poor character is merely being revealed by you losing your home.

Hard times don't make strong men, hard times leave only strong men standing.

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I've seen you posting thicko nonsense in several topics now.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Unless a rent moratorium is rolled up with a mortgage and property tax moratorium, we've solved nothing.

No one should be losing housing for any reason, point blank, period. Put a moratorium on everything.

Platoe posted...

Thank you for the writeup. You don't think in this particular instance, it's actually genuine malice for unfortunate people? How could it not be completely obvious that responsibility has nothing to do with it here? That's why I think the people tooting that out are doing so disingenuously

I don't know. I don't want to assume the worst of people, but it's getting hard to find other explanations. I think people have perversely been taught to hate or at least have no empathy for people who experience negative things in life. They're been taught to either say "good" or "I don't care" about it.

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The thing about these conversations that gets me is how one side treats renters as exploiting landlords in these situations because landlords are obligated to maintain their property. It's weird, because it seems like they're assuming that renters won't hold up their end of the agreement while landlords will. But in practice, landlords have pretty much all the power. It's usually a lot easier to get someone evicted than it is to force a landlord to do something.

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Solid Sonic posted...

Thing is how would that even work? Rent isn't paid to a bank or a government entity, it's paid to a private owner.

Rent is paid to a private owner, who then pays a bank for a mortgage, and also the "rent" property owners owe the county, school district, sewer board, and maybe also state at the end of the year.

averagejoel posted...

it's not a disagreement. this statement that you made:

You said it wasnt true, but your posts seemed to be saying the same thing, so I need some clarification.

My entire life has been pure luck and happenstance, both good and bad.

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legendary_zell posted...

No one should be losing housing for any reason, point blank, period.

Due to the circumstances or no conditions whatsoever...?

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Solid Sonic posted...

Due to the circumstances or no conditions whatsoever...?

What good is a country that cannot guarantee all citizens shelter?

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hockeybub89 posted...

What good is a country that cannot guarantee all citizens shelter?

Get a loada this guy here.

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tigerslashII posted...

Get a loada this guy here.

Next you'll tell me a developed nation should have hunger. You could move to a third world despotic shit hole and get that

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