Current Events > So after his recent interview, its confirmed Joe Rogan is a Transphobe

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I listened and didn't hear any transphobia or discrimination towards trans people.
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Poop2 posted...

if you actually watched the podcast he really just bashes on children being pushed to go trans.

not adults or even older teens.

Who is being "pushed" exactly? Who is doing the pushing?

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But I do doubt he being as transphobic as the TC makes him seems. He's no JK Rowling lmao

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FreezerDoor posted...

This. He has always been against trans women fighting cisgender women.

How is that transphobic in any way. A male to female trans person should not be allowed to compete with cisgendered women regardless of the sport but especially so for combat sports.

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*hugs gunpla* Diffrent people have diffrent opinions and opinions are like asshole errybodys smells but mine :p....you two should hug it out bby.

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MuayThai85 posted...

How is that transphobic in any way. A male to female trans person should not be allowed to compete with cisgendered women regardless of the sport but especially so for combat sports.

Because if you don't embrace transgenders in everything you are a transphobe

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voldothegr8 posted...

I listened and didn't hear any transphobia or discrimination towards trans people.

Then it means you're either unaware, or that you hold done transphobia-influenced opinions.

ZeroX91 posted...

*hugs gunpla* Diffrent people have diffrent opinions and opinions are like asshole errybodys smells but mine :p....you two should hug it out bby.

*Supplexes you into a lava pit then throws a steam roller down at you* scratch and sniff, baby

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

I disagree with letting all children choose to make any surgical changes that are permanent without sufficient prepping.

I dont work in extremes. A portion of transgender children turn out okay. Thats fine.

But to my understanding, theres still a lot that have issues of remorse after transitioning. Just like a kid getting plastic surgery (I know transgender surgery isnt cosmetic, chill the fuck out), or in my example tattoos. Kids can go years thinking something that will change once theyre older.

In an attempt to be as permitting as possible, were creating a new problem for youths. Just on the post-transition end instead of pre-transition.

Children are not just choosing though! Parents and, more importantly, medical experts are allowing children to transition at the recommended pace with a lot more education on the subject than you.

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RedJackson posted...

Lmao, get over yourself - if you ain't interested in helping both causes out please see your way out the door of this conversation

What I'm saying is that they are both equal bigotry and they are similar enough to make the comparison. People need to stop thinking homophobia and transphobia are more reasonable just because those people gross them out more than black people do.

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COVxy posted...

I think people, on both sides to be fair, have trouble looking at this the way it should be looked at. Which is as a question of human biology.

Nobody would care about a book by a lawyer or whatever claiming that newtonian physics works at small scale better than quantum physics. Or anything that runs counter to what the expert scientists say.

But here, well, that's a different story. Apparently everyone's opinion matters and should be taken at equal weight, and not providing a platform for it is tantamount to censorship!

I've been disagreeing with you politically lately, but these are the posts from you I love.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Children are not just choosing though! Parents and, more importantly, medical experts are allowing children to transition at the recommended pace with a lot more education on the subject than you.

Transgender folk being openly accepted in medical fields is still a new thing. Its not like people didnt only just recently accept terms like gender dysphoria.

Its odd to so blindly accept the word of parents too. The same group that gets angry at teachers for giving their kid a D.

There are kids who regret it after. I would prefer to make things more difficult for kids to transition than have the issue of kids having issues after changes to their bodies.

Where is your problem with my stance? Stop appealing to higher authority and give me your opinion.

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MuayThai85 posted...

How is that transphobic in any way. A male to female trans person should not be allowed to compete with cisgendered women regardless of the sport but especially so for combat sports.

This should be common sense, but I guess not

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Transgender folk being openly accepted in medical fields is still a new thing. Its not like people didnt only just recently accept terms like gender dysphoria.

Its odd to so blindly accept the word of parents too. The same group that gets angry at teachers for giving their kid a D.

There are kids who regret it after. I would prefer to make things more difficult for kids to transition than have the issue of kids having issues after changes to their bodies.

Where is your problem with my stance? Stop appealing to higher authority and give me your opinion.

Okay so here's the deal

The number of trans people is low
The number of people who think they're trans and realize that aren't is way lower
And the number who got on hormones is lower still

In order to protect a few people you're throwing all those trans people under the bus. Meanwhile, if you took the opposite interpretation, that it should be accessible and to combat societal transphobia? People would have a more open mind and be able to determine if they're trans or not and then start hormones.

By forcing trans people to wait, you're saying that it's okay for trans people to have their bodies permanently deformed, and to likely have one or mental disorders, AND to be socially shunned for not being able to pass. And what's the payoff? That you can feel good for preventing something that virtually never happens. Seriously, trans kids don't get to start puberty blockers until some point between 10 and 12, and they don't get to start hormones until they're 14 in some countries, 16+ in most others.

You same when claim some utilitarian view point if that's what you're going for. What you're doing is penalizing a vulnerable minority and setting them up for an even harder life, all to try and protect an even smaller group of cis people. Is that it, you can't stand the idea of cis people getting hurt if it's as a result of them not knowing themselves as well as trans people do?

Honestly, I'd spit in your general direction if I had the chance.

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Solution_45 posted...

This should be common sense, but I guess not

An ignorant opinion that runs contrary to literal experts in the field (see also: Olympic committee) isn't "common sense" so much as "I'm so full of my own shit I think I know and don't care to acknowledge that my opinion might be wrong"

But then, transphobes don't think they're transphobes just like racists think they're actually the least racist people around

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gunplagirl posted...

*Supplexes you into a lava pit then throws a steam roller down at you* scratch and sniff, baby

I mean not into smelling asses but if you want me to. :p

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gunplagirl posted...

Honestly, I'd spit in your general direction if I had the chance.

Moving on...

gunplagirl posted...

In order to protect a few people you're throwing all those trans people under the bus.

Debatable. Blind people have to live with being blind. Deaf people have to live with being deaf. Etc. Being able to change ones sex via medical means is a massive boon from science and technology that we take for granted, imo. We should take it seriously.

gunplagirl posted...

Meanwhile, if you took the opposite interpretation, that it should be accessible and to combat societal transphobia?

I dont see the correlation. Societal transphobia wont be combatted much just because its easier for people to transition. Can you elaborate?

gunplagirl posted...

By forcing trans people to wait, you're saying that it's okay for trans people to have their bodies permanently deformed, and to likely have one or mental disorders, AND to be socially shunned for not being able to pass.

Trans children should have to do more, yea. Any negative effects from that is unfortunate, but thats the hand you were dealt. Like minorities or those with disabilities. Transgender people have the luxury of fixing their dilemma that causes hardship. Lord forbid you have to wait a little.

gunplagirl posted...

What you're doing is penalizing a vulnerable minority and setting them up for an even harder life,

Oh no. Your fixable problem has to be taken seriously and just filtered a bit better for kids. How evil

gunplagirl posted...

Is that it, you can't stand the idea of cis people getting hurt if it's as a result of them not knowing themselves as well as trans people do?

It would behoove me to agree to this. I dont really care what you are. But transitioning is not taken seriously enough for some people. And once its done, the social and physical changes in ones life can be irreversible. So... I would prefer to prevent that. Moreso than some kids having to stand in line longer. Yes.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Transgender folk being openly accepted in medical fields is still a new thing. Its not like people didnt only just recently accept terms like gender dysphoria.

Its odd to so blindly accept the word of parents too. The same group that gets angry at teachers for giving their kid a D.

There are kids who regret it after. I would prefer to make things more difficult for kids to transition than have the issue of kids having issues after changes to their bodies.

Where is your problem with my stance? Stop appealing to higher authority and give me your opinion.

It is already incredibly difficult to transition and that does a good job of weeding out almost all false cases by the time when hormones or surgery are even on the table. "There still might be some that regret it or weren't trans!" isn't really an argument. Surgeries kill people. Drugs kill people. Bad doctors exist. As long as they don't ruin the vast majority of people, then the risks are acceptable. You're never going to have 100% perfect success rate for anything, so saying everyone should hold out is essentially saying we should stop this whole "medicine" thing until we get it perfect.

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the fuck are you guys turning this thread into some fetish shit for

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Trans children should have to do more, yea. Any negative effects from that is unfortunate, but thats the hand you were dealt. Like minorities or those with disabilities. Transgender people have the luxury of fixing their dilemma that causes hardship. Lord forbid you have to wait a little.

Would you argue that children with other disabilities should suffer for 18 years before we attempt to help them? If we are going to acknowledge that it is a legitimate condition that people have in their childhood, then it makes no sense to say that all other conditions can be treated, but this one must wait until the victim is an adult and has expert comprehension of medicine and the concept of pain.

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I saw that one a week or so ago, so forgive me if my recollection isn't perfect.

They're mostly talking about the content of her book and the topic is almost entirely about FTM transition. Though they make a distinction between genuine transmen and girls with mental health issues who grasp on to the transgender movement when they aren't actually gender dysphoric. Instead of engaging in eating disorders, self-harm, etc., they're engaging in gender transition to satisfy some need for attention, praise, fulfillment, etc. I dunno.

Citing the supposed phenomenon of clusters of teen girls coming out as trans after contact with trans friends, online activism, etc when there was no indication of gender dysphoria before.

If I recall, there was also some discussion of the danger of blanketing a medical/mental health issue as a civil rights issue making it difficult, if not impossible, to give a genuine professional opinion on the matter that is not properly in-line with transgender activism. Because careers would be on the line. I think the author claims to have spoken to doctors and researchers who refrain from raising concerns, because they're afraid their careers will be ruined due to how fervent the activism about the issue is.

i didn't listen to the podcast and i can say with 100% certainty that he didn't compare being trans to joining a suicide pact or joining a crazy radical cult.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Would you argue that children with other disabilities should suffer for 18 years before we attempt to help them? If we are going to acknowledge that it is a legitimate condition that people have in their childhood, then it makes no sense to say that all other conditions can be treated, but this one must wait until the victim is an adult and has full comprehension of medicine and the concept of pain.

If the only way to treat a disabled child was a body altering surgery that could cause major harm... then yes? Ignoring the bias way you asked, being a transgender youth is a bit of an unique case. It isnt a black and white, This solution helps them with no drawbacks like with disabilities.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

If the only way to treat a disabled child was a body altering surgery that could cause major harm... then yes? Ignoring the bias way you asked, being a transgender youth is a bit of an unique case. It isnt a black and white, This solution helps them with no drawbacks like with disabilities.

"A black and white solution that helps with no drawbacks" literally does not exist for practically anything. People keep playing up the side effects of treating one thing to make it look comparatively bad. This is the exact same strategy that anti-vaxxers and naturalists use.

Should we not give youth amputees a prosthetic because attention-seeking girls might want one and do something crazy to make it so?

People develop a weird healthcare phobia when it suits their agenda.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Moving on...

Debatable. Blind people have to live with being blind. Deaf people have to live with being deaf. Etc. Being able to change ones sex via medical means is a massive boon from science and technology that we take for granted, imo. We should take it seriously.

I dont see the correlation. Societal transphobia wont be combatted much just because its easier for people to transition. Can you elaborate?

Trans children should have to do more, yea. Any negative effects from that is unfortunate, but thats the hand you were dealt. Like minorities or those with disabilities. Transgender people have the luxury of fixing their dilemma that causes hardship. Lord forbid you have to wait a little.

Oh no. Your fixable problem has to be taken seriously and just filtered a bit better for kids. How evil

It would behoove me to agree to this. I dont really care what you are. But transitioning is not taken seriously enough for some people. And once its done, the social and physical changes in ones life can be irreversible. So... I would prefer to prevent that. Moreso than some kids having to stand in line longer. Yes.

Ah, so you at least admitted you're okay with every genuine trans person suffering and waiting and getting permanently deformed in the process, and yet you can't acknowledge that the amount of cis people who might get hurt is even smaller. "It's the hand you were dealt, at least you can fix it" is fucking revolting to say when you're ignoring the fact that we CAN fix it, better AND sooner, and want them to wait over something that virtually never happens.

You can't say you care about kids if you're thrown all trans kids under the bus to maybe protect a few kids from something THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAPPEN. Just. Fuck.

I have an idea. We put all kids on puberty blockers until the age of 17, to make sure they don't regret their puberty, and provide them all therapy. That would ensure ALL kids are safe. Do you have any objections to that?

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Without looking it up, he probably said something reasonable that's being taken out of context. He's too big and has too many normal high profile guests that either don't care about his supposed phobia or they know him well enough to know it's BS.

Or if you're on this board, you know that Joe is forever an alt right legend.

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hockeybub89 posted...

"A black and white solution that helps with no drawbacks" literally does not exist for practically anything.

But...

hockeybub89 posted...

give youth amputees a prosthetic

Isnt this one?

gunplagirl posted...

You can't say you care about kids if you're thrown all trans kids under the bus to maybe protect a few kids from something THAT DOESN'T EVEN HAPPEN. Just. Fuck.

What? Transgender people dont sometimes regret transitioning at young ages? Isnt that a part of the podcasts topic? Are we talking about the same thing?

gunplagirl posted...

I have an idea. We put all kids on puberty blockers until the age of 17, to make sure they don't regret their puberty, and provide them all therapy. That would ensure ALL kids are safe. Do you have any objections to that?

Im pretty sure thats financially unsustainable. And Im not sure on the effects that has on child development. Id reckon that would have to do something to teens and kids. So I object.

That seems like a kneejerk reaction. We disagree at one core issue. You see children not being able to transition quickly as some terrible thing. I do not. So long as we disagree there, any solutions afterwards wont be likely to be agreeable.

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tommybel89 posted...

Without looking it up, he probably said something reasonable that's being taken out of context. He's too big and has too many normal high profile guests that either don't care about his supposed phobia or they know him well enough to know it's BS.

Yeah, who ever heard of a famous person saying something stupid? Everyone knows fame and money make you smart and tactful. Just look at the President of the United States of America.

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Frogles posted...

i didn't listen to the podcast and i can say with 100% certainty that he didn't compare being trans to joining a suicide pact or joining a crazy radical cult.

The sad thing is in 2020 you can just tweet literally anything and hundreds of dumbasses will believe whatever you say.
Also joe rogan is an alt right elk

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

You see children not being able to transition quickly as some terrible thing.

They don't. Transition. Quickly. Ever.

This is like demanding that we slow down and stop giving children high school diplomas when they're 7.

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ASithLord7 posted...

Nah just people like you who praise stormtroopers kidnapping citizens for exercising their rights

How tf do stormtroopers kidnap people if they can't hit the broadside of a barn with a blaster?
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hockeybub89 posted...

They don't. Transition. Quickly. Ever.

So whats the problem? Do yall want to speed things up?

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gunplagirl posted...

Okay so here's the deal

The number of trans people is low
The number of people who think they're trans and realize that aren't is way lower
And the number who got on hormones is lower still

In order to protect a few people you're throwing all those trans people under the bus. Meanwhile, if you took the opposite interpretation, that it should be accessible and to combat societal transphobia? People would have a more open mind and be able to determine if they're trans or not and then start hormones.

By forcing trans people to wait, you're saying that it's okay for trans people to have their bodies permanently deformed, and to likely have one or mental disorders, AND to be socially shunned for not being able to pass. And what's the payoff? That you can feel good for preventing something that virtually never happens. Seriously, trans kids don't get to start puberty blockers until some point between 10 and 12, and they don't get to start hormones until they're 14 in some countries, 16+ in most others.

You same when claim some utilitarian view point if that's what you're going for. What you're doing is penalizing a vulnerable minority and setting them up for an even harder life, all to try and protect an even smaller group of cis people. Is that it, you can't stand the idea of cis people getting hurt if it's as a result of them not knowing themselves as well as trans people do?

Honestly, I'd spit in your general direction if I had the chance.

This is a disgusting post honestly. You can make a very basic attempt at being civil.

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TommyG663513 posted...

This is a disgusting post honestly. You can make a very basic attempt at being civil.

being civil isnt a prerequisite to elucidating things for people

*takes notes*

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

So whats the problem? Do yall want to speed things up?

You're the one worrying about how fast things are going and how too many people are wrongly caught up in it. You made the bad argument.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

So whats the problem? Do yall want to speed things up?

No, you're wanting to slow down an already incredibly slow process. What aren't you grasping about that?

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TommyG663513 posted...

This is a disgusting post honestly. You can make a very basic attempt at being civil.

It's really not though. I don't think I disagree with anything in there except the spitting bit.

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Herodopus posted...

being civil isnt a prerequisite to elucidating things for people

It kind of is though. If you continually talk down to people then they likely won't take your attempts as you would like them to.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You're the one worrying about how fast things are going and how too many people are wrongly caught up in it. You made the bad argument.

I think you should read the topic again. You asked me a question. I simply answered what was asked. I didnt start anything.

Runeboggle posted...

No, you're wanting to slow down an already incredibly slow process. What aren't you grasping about that?

Quote where I said this. Again, I answered a question posed to me.

You know what I do see though?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Trans discussion is annoying because everyone is immediately defensive, always dismissive if the point discussed isnt 100% pro-trans no matter the context, and devolves into straw manning.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

It's really not though. I don't think I disagree with anything in there except the spitting bit.

Of course you of all people wouldnt. Dont you have more posts to cowardly report instead of being productive?

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Of course you of all people wouldnt. Dont you have more posts to cowardly report instead of being productive?

Oh boy. I'm not biting, alright?

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Quote where I said this. Again, I answered a question posed to me.

You know what I do see though?

So you're sealioning and "just asking questions," and you don't want to slow down the transitioning process for trans youths just so some very small fraction of cis youths don't get caught into it.

Fuck off.

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No, youre right. I gotta let that go. Sorry.

It just really offended me.

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

It's really not though. I don't think I disagree with anything in there except the spitting bit.

The entire post leads up to the spitting bit. The poster takes a very condescending tone.

It appears that the poster they were responding to is fairly ignorant on some matters concerning trans issues. Then a trans poster takes this as an opportunity to talk down to someone.

As a bisexual person, I am often in a position to explain to someone what my experience has been in a situation and why it would differ from someone else's. I definitely hear some pretty ignorant and sometimes rather belittling stuff people say. I just have to make a simple attempt to educate and be on my way.

Anything other than that is engaging in some sort of aggression and/or harassment of another person. Screaming bigot at someone else just isn't helpful. It's just engaging in the idea of labeling someone.

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Runeboggle posted...

So you're sealioning and "just asking questions," and you don't want to slow down the transitioning process for trans youths just so some very small fraction of cis youths don't get caught into it.

Fuck off.

What?

hockeybub89 posted...

cuttin_in_farm posted...

No, hes right. Trans discussion is annoying because everyone is immediately defensive, always dismissive if the point discussed isnt 100% pro-trans no matter the context, and devolves into straw manning.

A kid cant even get a tattoo that they dont regret a year later. Surely kids transitioning isnt so black and white as people think.

So are you this opposed to children seeing psychiatrists for other reasons? Or going through a long medical process that might culminate in surgery? Are children making random decisions alone and being humored in ALL situations, or just this one? Should be more accepting if people aren't "100% black/white in their opinions" and suggest that maybe there is something wrong with their biology?

Why are we still pretending transition is a 4 year old or their parents telling someone the kid held a doll, and then a penis being cut off?

Everyone wants to make gender issues these weird situations in no way comparable to other medical problems or other bigotries, yet no one can rationalize it beyond "But I disagree with this one".

This is the post that asked me a question. I answered this:

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I disagree with letting all children choose to make any surgical changes that are permanent without sufficient prepping.

I dont work in extremes. A portion of transgender children turn out okay. Thats fine.

But to my understanding, theres still a lot that have issues of remorse after transitioning. Just like a kid getting plastic surgery (I know transgender surgery isnt cosmetic, chill the fuck out), or in my example tattoos. Kids can go years thinking something that will change once theyre older.

In an attempt to be as permitting as possible, were creating a new problem for youths. Just on the post-transition end instead of pre-transition.

Where the hell do you see Well, lets make transitioning a slower process

Yall can fuck off. Im not letting yall put words in my mouth because yall cant read. Yall got the wrong one.

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Looked up the quotes. They're right about the cult that forms around precious woke issues such as this. And the fact that people are fine with serving up kids to this altar is WILD bro.

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cuttin_in_farm posted...

Yall can fuck off. Im not letting yall put words in my mouth because yall cant read. Yall got the wrong one.

So you were at no point addressing anything said to you in this topic, sea lion.

Fuck. Off.

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I... just posted me doing it...? I replied hockeybub.

What is a sea lion?

What!?

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Cuttin, don't act like you didn't come into this topic swinging.

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