Poll of the Day > Nearly one-third of children tested for COVID in Florida are positive.

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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-pbc-health-director-covid-children-20200714-xcdall2tsrd4riim2nwokvmsxm-story.html

Nearly one-in-three children tested for the new coronavirus in Florida has been positive, and a South Florida health official is concerned the disease could cause lifelong damage even for children with mild illness.
Dr. Alina Alonso, Palm Beach Countys health department director, warned county commissioners Tuesday that much is unknown about the long-term health consequences for children who catch COVID-19.
X-rays have revealed the virus can cause lung damage even in people without severe symptoms, she said.
They are seeing there is damage to the lungs in these asymptomatic children. ... We dont know how that is going to manifest a year from now or two years from now, Alonso said. Is that child going to have chronic pulmonary problems or not?
Her comments stand in contrast to Gov. Ron DeSantis messaging that children are at low risk, and classrooms need to be reopened in the fall. DeSantis has said he would be comfortable sending his children to school if they were old enough to attend.

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If people can go to work, then kids can go to school. Its not like all the grocery store workers have gotten sick and died and they have been in close contact with the entire public since the beginning of this.

OK Karen.

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MartianManchild posted...

If people can go to work, then kids can go to school. Its not like all the grocery store workers have gotten sick and died and they have been in close contact with the entire public since the beginning of this.

Social distancing in the workplace is something that you cannot properly enforce in a K-12 system, especially not in a K-12 system in an inner city where children are basically caged like animals 8 hours a day.

Why aren't conservatives conservative about allowing children to go back to school?

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Are we talking about all children in Florida were required to be tested by law, and 1/3 were positive for coronavirus, or that 1/3 of children who were brought for testing because they showed signs of sickness, had coronavirus.
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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Are we talking about all children in Florida were required to be tested by law, and 1/3 were positive for coronavirus, or that 1/3 of children who were brought for testing because they showed signs of sickness, had coronavirus.

I'm not doing this again.
If you look at a state with good control over COVID-19 like New York or Massachusetts, you will see the positive test rate is very low. In fact, it's around 1% here in Massachusetts today. Do you know why? Fucking masks.


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wwinterj25 posted...

OK Karen.

You dont understand what a Karen is

at all

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Judgmenl posted...

I'm not doing this again.

Good because nobody cares what you think.

Judgmenl posted...

Fucking masks.

https://i.imgur.com/2IG0flm.jpg

Mead posted...

You dont understand what a Karen is

at all

Actually I do. Nice try though.

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MartianManchild posted...

If people can go to work, then kids can go to school. Its not like all the grocery store workers have gotten sick and died and they have been in close contact with the entire public since the beginning of this.

last I checked grocery store workers dont sit in groups with 25 other workers, dont all ride a bus together, dont require a teacher for every group of them, and arent children who really at no fault of their own cant be expected to keep a mask on all the time

schools can reopen, officials just need to come up with a fucking plan to deal with the logistics of doing it safely

cant do that when the right is raging against a strawman argument that schools simply should not reopen and the lockdown that everyone wants to be over should just go on indefinitely

throwing caution to the wind will make everything about this worse for everyone

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Mead posted...

schools can reopen, officials just need to come up with a fucking plan to deal with the logistics of doing it safely

Ok Karen. Best call the manager. While your at it call your wife. Who is probably called Karen ironically.
Now you can block this account too rather than going into topics to make a useless comment about my posts because as we have already established you're a SJW on the internet but probably unhappy with your existence.

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AWinterJ posted...

Now you can block this account

deal

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Mead posted...

deal

... and balance is restored.

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Heres a scientific article about the coronavirus and pediatric patients.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2766037

If you actually take the time to read through it the researchers state that the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus in children is less than the seasonal flu.

Finally, it is important to emphasize that the overall burden of COVID-19 infection in children remains relatively low compared with seasonal influenza. As of April 28, 2020, the CDC report 8 deaths in children 14 years or younger related to COVID-19 infection, whereas there have so far been 169 influenza-related deaths in children 14 years or younger during the 2019-2020 season, with 81 of these occurring in 2020.14,15 Thus, up to this time of the pandemic in North America, children continue to face a far greater risk of critical illness from influenza than from COVID-19, pointing to the imperative for ongoing preventive pediatric health maintenance during this time.

I copied and pasted it because I know most of you are too lazy to actually read scientific articles and rather just argue with feelings. Also its important to note that a large majority of kids that did have complications had preexisting conditions.

MartianManchild posted...

As of April 28, 2020

wow thats some real up to date info you got there

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Mead posted...

wow thats some real up to date info you got there

Less than 3 months old... but please feel free to post a link to a peer reviewed scientific study that supports the fear mongering and hysteria.

MartianManchild posted...

Less than 3 months old... but please feel free to post a link to a peer reviewed scientific study that supports the fear mongering and hysteria.

were learning new things about this virus every week

even if youre right, and honestly hopefully you are, and children arent as vulnerable to the symptoms of the virus, they can still spread it to others, and if youre wrong, which you very well could be because schools closed down when covid really started to get momentum, then a ton of people are gonna suffer and countless lives are gonna be lost over it

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bUt ChIlDrEn cAnT gEt cOrOnAvIrUs

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I know you're being cOnDeScEnDiNg helly but that was because the first outbreaks were in elder care homes. Now that it's affecting everyone, we see everyone being fucked equally, especially those too stupid not to wear a mask.

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They have shown lung damage even in kids who have shown no symptoms but have gotten the virus, and they have no clue what the long term effect can be on them. It's crazy to just risk having them go to school while the numbers are still high.

Two months of hard core distancing/staying at home, and you can crush the numbers for real this time (like pretty much the rest of the world has done), and then you can start school 2 months late and have it just continue into next summer instead.

Instead of August through May, you do November through July (if the numbers are down by november at least).

It's not a perfect solution but it's better than sending kids back to school right now, and better than just doing at home school all year as well.

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MartianManchild posted...

If people can go to work, then kids can go to school. Its not like all the grocery store workers have gotten sick and died and they have been in close contact with the entire public since the beginning of this.

Shut the fuck up

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Judgmenl posted...

Now that it's affecting everyone, we see everyone being f***ed equally

You have no evidence whatsoever supporting this claim. Your ideas are based on uneducated bias and not scientific evidence. Heres a very recent article thats a good summary.
https://www.babycenter.com/0_coronavirus-update-covid-19-infections-in-children-less-seve_40006924.bc

Also heres another actual scientific research article saying coronavirus infection is less severe in children.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/03/16/peds.2020-0702.full.pdf

You have no science backing your claims while I continue to present article after article supporting mine.

MartianManchild posted...

You have no science backing your claims while I continue to present article after article supporting mine

youre ignoring entirely the point that schoolchildren can spread the disease even if they arent as vulnerable to the symptoms which we dont know yet

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MartianManchild posted...

Heres a very recent article thats a good summary.

you're right, it is a good summary.

"An AAP study examined over 2,000 pediatric patients. Results showed nearly 90 percent of the children to be asymptomatic, mild or moderate."

ignoring the fact that a control group of 2000 isn't that much, relatively speaking.

near 90% of them were asymptomatic.

near 90% of them are carriers. who are now going home, and spreading it. and they will spread it easily. and because of this ridiculous argument from people like you, people aren't going to be taking them seriously, because "yeah well they aren't gettin' sick so then they're fine" when the reality is much more severe than that.

we're talking little kids here. they will sneeze directly into your face.

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Mead posted...

last I checked grocery store workers dont sit in groups with 25 other workers, dont all ride a bus together, dont require a teacher for every group of them, and arent children who really at no fault of their own cant be expected to keep a mask on all the time

To say nothing of the fact that young children are just generally gross and have little concept of personal hygiene at the best of times, let alone to the extent that is needed for effective infection control.

Mead posted...

schools can reopen, officials just need to come up with a f***ing plan to deal with the logistics of doing it safely

Honestly, as long as reopening entails having parents sign a liability waiver to cover the school's ass in the event a student dies of Covid, schools shouldn't be reopening. Pretty much everyone involved is acknowledging that it's not really safe yet, but apparently they'd rather use waivers to get out of legal responsibility than actually do any sort of due diligence to ensure the safety of students and staff.

Really, even something as simple as splitting classes in half and alternating which half is in class on a given day (with the other half completing an online curriculum on their home days) would make a world of difference. It'd take a non-trivial amount of work to put together a curriculum that was split between online and in-person instruction, and it would present childcare issues for those that rely on school for that (which is another problem in its own right, but that's beside the point), but it's a goddamn pandemic. It's going to take work to ensure everyone's safety.

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Judgmenl posted...

Now that it's affecting everyone, we see everyone being f***ed equally

The direct mortality rate is still significantly higher for the elderly than for everyone else, so I wouldn't say everyone's being affected equally. The persistence of mystery symptoms in recovered people, however, does present some very significant concerns for every age bracket, since we really don't know what the long-term implications are of this inexplicable lung damage or random systemic blood clots or the fact that it's giving people diabetes.

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Children are so resilient, I mean, if I got tested for Covid, i'd be pretty bummed, especially if I had it!

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Ban kids!

MartianManchild posted...

You have no evidence whatsoever supporting this claim. Your ideas are based on uneducated bias and not scientific evidence. Heres a very recent article thats a good summary.
https://www.babycenter.com/0_coronavirus-update-covid-19-infections-in-children-less-seve_40006924.bc

Also heres another actual scientific research article saying coronavirus infection is less severe in children.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/early/2020/03/16/peds.2020-0702.full.pdf

You have no science backing your claims while I continue to present article after article supporting mine.

My observations are from data collected by the state of Massachusetts (where I live):
https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-july-16-2020/download

Specifically, this diagram:


Seeing as I live in a state with a functional populus who are smart enough to wear fucking masks, our data is probably a bit skewed towards the early stages of the pandemic. If only certain other states would release such visuallzations on a daily basis we could publicly look at the data. I wonder why Trump is supresing information?

adjl posted...

The persistence of mystery symptoms in recovered people,

For a few months now we've known that people who have suffered from COVID-19 (either asymptomatic carriers or otherwise) could potentially suffer permanent lung damage and the virus could be re-entrant, that being you could get it again after already having it due to not having enough antibodies from having it. Anything further than that, I don't know (because I'm only human and have only done so much research into it).

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helIy posted...

ignoring the fact that a control group of 2000 isn't that much, relatively speaking.

You obviously dont understand statistics.

Judgmenl posted...

My observations are from data collected by the state of Massachusetts

You literally posted a chart showing people aged 0-19 having far less cases of the coronavirus then any other age group when youre trying to argue that its impacting all ages equally lol.

> Nearly one-third of children tested for COVID in Florida are positive.

Nice that they're in good spirits

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