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gamepimp12
07/14/20 9:07:21 PM
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The idea is if Ben 10 transforms into a sayian would that sayian beat goku

Of course Ben 10 wins though

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SH_expert44
07/14/20 9:11:31 PM
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boxington
07/14/20 9:12:47 PM
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he could turn into a Saiyan, probably, but there are no Saiyans on Goku or Vegeta's level, iirc, so idk what that would do.


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Dark_SilverX
07/14/20 9:14:52 PM
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boxington posted...
he could turn into a Saiyan, probably, but there are no Saiyans on Goku or Vegeta's level, iirc, so idk what that would do.
Bruh

Broly would pin Goku & Vegeta down.


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ModLogic
07/14/20 9:15:46 PM
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ZMythos
07/14/20 9:15:54 PM
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The DNA that Ben 10 uses came from real aliens, right?

So just get Goku, Vegeta, Jiren, or Broly's DNA.

Instawipe.

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Duncanwii
07/14/20 9:16:29 PM
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boxington posted...
he could turn into a Saiyan, probably, but there are no Saiyans on Goku or Vegeta's level, iirc, so idk what that would do.

Broly.
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Herodopus
07/14/20 9:16:34 PM
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I've never seen any of Ben ten but isn't one of his alien forms literally god, like "will things in and out of existence" god?
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CruelBuffalo
07/14/20 9:16:53 PM
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Theyd both lose to Jackie Chan if he didnt want any trouble
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BipBapBam
07/14/20 9:18:32 PM
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Most Saiyans were scrubs though. Just copying Goku's DNA wouldn't give him access to all of Goku's powers and transformations since those are things he had to train for, Ben wouldn't just get them for free because he became a Saiyan.

He'd probably be even weaker than Raditz considering he has no idea how to control ki which isn't a Saiyan power.

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gamepimp12
07/14/20 9:20:03 PM
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boxington posted...
he could turn into a Saiyan, probably, but there are no Saiyans on Goku or Vegeta's level, iirc, so idk what that would do.

The omnitrix transforms you into the absolute apex of that race.... so at they very least hed be as strong as base broly.

SH_expert44 posted...
What a shit argument

i find it hilarious personally because Ben 10 is one of the more subtly broken characters in recent history, like its barely mentioned but one of his best powers is you cant kill him while the watch is attached...... and the watch will react to any hostile attempts to remove it


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boxington
07/14/20 9:20:37 PM
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Dark_SilverX posted...
Bruh

Broly would pin Goku & Vegeta down.

Duncanwii posted...
Broly.
tbh, I stopped watching the series after Buu.

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gamepimp12
07/14/20 9:22:17 PM
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BipBapBam posted...
Most Saiyans were scrubs though. Just copying Goku's DNA wouldn't give him access to all of Goku's powers and transformations since those are things he had to train for, Ben wouldn't just get them for free because he became a Saiyan.

He'd probably be even weaker than Raditz considering he has no idea how to control ki which isn't a Saiyan power.


nope !!!!

hes likely stronger than broly with at least base level ki attacks and flight. Even if he cant go super saiyan right away its totally something someone of that level of prodigy could obtain pretty easily.

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gamepimp12
07/14/20 11:00:03 PM
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Bump

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boxington
07/14/20 11:01:41 PM
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gamepimp12 posted...
The omnitrix transforms you into the absolute apex of that race.... so at they very least hed be as strong as base broly.
interesting.

...maybe he should transform into a Kryptonian instead

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monkmith
07/14/20 11:02:32 PM
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doesn't the watch thing have a time limit? well, as has been clearly shown in every DBZ episode ever made, it takes at least 3 episodes to 'power up' and a good quarter of a season to 'get serious' and 'ascend to their final form', so i think ben would breeze past that time limit long before he'd be able to beat goku.

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Irony
07/14/20 11:03:00 PM
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Pretty sure TC hasn't seen any of Ben 10 except the first series

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gamepimp12
07/14/20 11:03:36 PM
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boxington posted...
interesting.

...maybe he should transform into a Kryptonian instead

hed be better than Superman, at least from a physical standpoint

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FortuneCookie
07/14/20 11:03:43 PM
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What about Felix the Cat?

Could he reach into his bag of tricks and come up with something that would defeat both Goku and Ben 10 in Super Saijin form?

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Herodopus
07/14/20 11:20:42 PM
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so can anyone confirm if ben10 is god
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BlackHorse6969
07/14/20 11:24:51 PM
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so this battle boils down to Ginyu vs goku

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StarReaper13
07/14/20 11:26:39 PM
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Herodopus posted...
so can anyone confirm if ben10 is god
A god? Only when he transforms into Alien X and the two halves can agree on getting something done.
Without that he's just a "I have a transformation for everything" after he moved on from the first 10 aliens.

But depending on which age Ben is, his maturity and all will differ so while he wouldn't have stuff like the Kamehameha, Kaioken, Spirit Bomb, and God Ki, the older more experienced Bens like Ben 10k might be able to trigger Super Saiyan if he was gonna get plot armor. No way in hell he'd get SS2 onward on his first try though.

And while it's a thing of the past, the Ultimatrix might be able to even the odds in that regard. Heck, just like SS Rose it'd be an alternative to SSGSS if they wanted to use that level of stuff. But if Goku went UI there'd be nothing he could do without Alien X or somehow getting Zeno's DNA.

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ButteryMales
07/14/20 11:27:45 PM
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Herodopus posted...
so can anyone confirm if ben10 is god
Technically he's only 1/3 of a God because the form has two other personalities which require all 3 to agree.
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Herodopus
07/14/20 11:28:45 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Technically he's only 1/3 of a God because the form has two other personalities which require all 3 to agree.
lmao
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jumi
07/14/20 11:29:03 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Theyd both lose to Jackie Chan if he didnt want any trouble

Only if he's babysitting while in a hardware store.

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discodancer77
07/14/20 11:33:23 PM
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If theyre both bloodlusted, either Goku speedblitzes or Ben transforms into Alien X. Although Alien X has its own problems of the 3-person jury thing. If we allow Ben to have a Saiyan option, Id say Goku still wins, seeing as Ben probably would be a weak saiyan and not have access to SS etc. He transforms into the average for that species. Even if he goes Ultimate, I think Goku could take it. If Ben is allowed to transform into any non-canon alien, then a Kryptonian Ben might win if we assume hes already charged with yellow sun. At that point it becomes a question if Goku could kill him before a transformation.

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StarReaper13
07/14/20 11:36:23 PM
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I completely forgot, doesn't Ben need to touch the watch to transform? Or at the very least need to use voice commands?

If it was a serious fight to the death Goku would just move fast enough to kill him while he's still untransformed.

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ButteryMales
07/14/20 11:39:03 PM
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StarReaper13 posted...
I completely forgot, doesn't Ben need to touch the watch to transform? Or at the very least need to use voice commands?

If it was a serious fight to the death Goku would just move fast enough to kill him while he's still untransformed.
There's an unlocked mode with no time limit and instant alien changing. It's a plot point that Ben 10 thousand never or rarely goes regular Ben.
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General_Secura
07/14/20 11:40:35 PM
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discodancer77 posted...
At that point it becomes a question if Goku could kill him before a transformation.
Impossible. The Omnitrix has a mind of its own that will keep Ben alive at all costs. It will always instantly transform him into something that will be able to survive any danger Ben could possibly be in. He literally survived the Big Bang this way.
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Rikiaz
07/14/20 11:41:45 PM
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StarReaper13 posted...
I completely forgot, doesn't Ben need to touch the watch to transform? Or at the very least need to use voice commands?

If it was a serious fight to the death Goku would just move fast enough to kill him while he's still untransformed.
I think when Ben unlocks the Omnitrix, he can transform with thought, but its been awhile so Im not sure.

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General_Secura
07/14/20 11:52:54 PM
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There is no scenario in which Goku wins. Ben just turns into Alien X and erases him from existence. And even if the other two personalities within Alien X don't want to cooperate immediately, there is nothing Goku can do to Ben since Alien X is completely indestructible. He was completely unharmed by the total destruction of the universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkp0TmQFGp0
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Irony
07/15/20 12:22:14 AM
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General_Secura posted...
There is no scenario in which Goku wins. Ben just turns into Alien X and erases him from existence. And even if the other two personalities within Alien X don't want to cooperate immediately, there is nothing Goku can do to Ben since Alien X is completely indestructible. He was completely unharmed by the total destruction of the universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkp0TmQFGp0
The scenario where he doesn't choose Alien X and gets demolished instantly which is most since he wouldn't choose it first

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YugiNoob
07/15/20 12:24:28 AM
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Rikiaz posted...
I think when Ben unlocks the Omnitrix, he can transform with thought, but its been awhile so Im not sure.
I'm guessing Goku can move faster than it would take a thought to reach Ben's head, given how stupid broken they're making Saiyans these days. The real problem lies in this

General_Secura posted...
Impossible. The Omnitrix has a mind of its own that will keep Ben alive at all costs. It will always instantly transform him into something that will be able to survive any danger Ben could possibly be in. He literally survived the Big Bang this way.
It's like WTF why even have a show if magic watch will always save the day <_<

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gamepimp12
07/15/20 12:24:32 AM
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The main argument was Ben as a saiyan vs goku

but goku cant bear saiyan Ben without UI and even that is a tough beat if Ben knows how to go SSJ

the transforms into the apex of the alien feature is broken

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gamepimp12
07/15/20 12:27:26 AM
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YugiNoob posted...
I'm guessing Goku can move faster than it would take a thought to reach Ben's head, given how stupid broken they're making Saiyans these days. The real problem lies in this

It's like WTF why even have a show if magic watch will always save the day <_<

The watch spends most of the series with various limiters on it because Ben is childish AF most of the time. Anytime the limiters have been removed Ben has curb stomped.

its a future version of Ben that is every single alien at once while remaining human

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SolidShadow3
07/15/20 12:28:56 AM
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He can turn into a saiyan, but without actually understanding the biology he isn't going SSJ, let alone SSB

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YugiNoob
07/15/20 12:29:18 AM
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Is that the high school Ben where Kevin wants to bone Gwen? Or is there another? I used to watch that one off and on but my interest in it sort of tapered off :<

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General_Secura
07/15/20 12:34:05 AM
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Irony posted...
The scenario where he doesn't choose Alien X and gets demolished instantly which is most since he wouldn't choose it first
Ben doesn't get to choose if his life is in that much imminent danger. If the Omnitrix determines that only Alien X can survive what he's up against, then Alien X it is.
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Irony
07/15/20 12:36:26 AM
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General_Secura posted...
Ben doesn't get to choose if his life is in that much imminent danger. If the Omnitrix determines that only Alien X can survive what he's up against, then Alien X it is.
It can't predict the future

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General_Secura
07/15/20 12:37:13 AM
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SolidShadow3 posted...
He can turn into a saiyan, but without actually understanding the biology he isn't going SSJ, let alone SSB
According to the Ben 10 writers:
The recalibrated Omnitrix granted the user full understanding of the aliens' powers upon transforming into them.
So that wouldn't be an issue either.
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YugiNoob
07/15/20 12:38:21 AM
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Can it sense power levels or imminent danger or something like that?

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BipBapBam
07/15/20 12:39:47 AM
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The only way to go SSG/SSB is through the ritual with 6 pure hearted Saiyans anyways. He's not just getting that for free either.

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Tyranthraxus
07/15/20 12:40:46 AM
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Why the fuck would he turn into a Saiyan when he could turn into whatever the fuck Jiren is?

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General_Secura
07/15/20 12:42:01 AM
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YugiNoob posted...
Can it sense power levels or imminent danger or something like that?
It has a threat detection system and it can react to threats instantaneously, transforming the user into whatever alien would be able to survive the imminent danger.
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jumi
07/15/20 2:19:31 AM
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General_Secura posted...
It has a threat detection system and it can react to threats instantaneously, transforming the user into whatever alien would be able to survive the imminent danger.

Is the watch itself indestructible?

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ModLogic
07/15/20 3:03:09 AM
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you people really think some nerd with a watch can beat goku? lmfao

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AlisLandale
07/15/20 4:25:28 AM
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What's the argument for Ben winning? I never watched past the original series.

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StarReaper13
07/15/20 10:10:59 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
What's the argument for Ben winning? I never watched past the original series.
Alien X. Besides Ghostfreak, it's the only Alien to have another personality besides Ben, but this is a universal trait among it's entire species.
So when Ben turns into it, it's completely immoblie outside of someone moving it while Ben's in there trying to get the two inner personalities to agree on something with him. One's a feminine sensitive one, the other is a masculine aggressive one, so it doesn't usually go well outside of times in the series where Ben is more or less dead without the powers of God. With a capital G.

Because besides the standard complete invincibility, flight, super strength, the moment those 3 agree on something there is literally nothing that could stop it because of it's power to rewrite the universe if it wants/needs to.

It's the only way he could win, because even if he turns into a Saiyan and goes SS he doesn't have God Ki and can't go SSG, SSGSS, whatever Vegeta's special SSGSS form is, and most importantly he can't go UI like Goku could.

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