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AngelsNAirwav3s
07/09/20 1:33:58 AM
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Should they call the police in George Floyd's situation in the future?


Transcript of the 911 call:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-death-911-transcript-minneapolis-police/

At first I thought it was another "shopping while black" call, and they were wrong for calling the police when people use counterfeit bills all the time at the store, but after reading the transcript my mind has changed, seems like he was drunk as a skunk and tried to get in his car and drive home. If someone is wasted and won't give up his keys, I think it is fair game to call the police

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Middle hope
07/09/20 1:35:35 AM
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That's what should be done if you get a bill that fails a counterfeit test. I've done it several times and each time they came down, made me fill out some paperwork and then talked to the person who handed it off

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UnfairRepresent
07/09/20 12:34:00 PM
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Erm, obviously?

You can't blame the police's actions on the guy that called them.

That's like blaming Derek Chauvin's mom for George Floyd's death because he gave birth to him.

That's not how cause and effect works.
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solosnake
07/09/20 12:36:18 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Erm, obviously?

You can't blame the police's actions on the guy that called them.

That's like blaming Derek Chauvin's mom for George Floyd's death because he gave birth to him.

That's not how cause and effect works.


Calling the police could be considered an act of violence. You can never predict how the cops will act in todays society. Once the police are involved all bets are off. Until there is meaningful reform in the nation, getting the cops involved should be avoided at all costs

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The Trent
07/09/20 12:37:12 PM
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lol

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MC_BatCommander
07/09/20 12:41:42 PM
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It's fair to call the cops when counterfeit currency is used

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brokenfingers
07/09/20 1:15:28 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Erm, obviously?

You can't blame the police's actions on the guy that called them.

That's like blaming Derek Chauvin's mom for George Floyd's death because he gave birth to him.

That's not how cause and effect works.
Yeah, it's not their fault they called the cops and instead of the drunk tank the guy ended up in the morgue.

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UnfairRepresent
07/10/20 7:00:34 AM
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solosnake posted...
Calling the police could be considered an act of violence.

lol
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nfearurspecimn
07/10/20 7:06:49 AM
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I think calling the cops for a counterfeit bill is over kill. Just don't accept it as legal tender and tell them to kick rocks. Police involvement is completely unnecessary.
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SH_expert44
07/10/20 7:14:02 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
I think calling the cops for a counterfeit bill is over kill. Just don't accept it as legal tender and tell them to kick rocks. Police involvement is completely unnecessary.
Imagine telling someone "your money looks fake, get out of here."

How do you think they are going to react? Bonus points if they are already drunk or drugged up.

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nfearurspecimn
07/10/20 7:19:44 AM
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Idk, I'd just assume they'd go "oh really? that's weird..." and leave either so as to feign ignorance or if they somehow got a counterfeit bill without their knowledge. I mean, what I ended up with a counterfeit bill without knowing? Should I be charged and arrested?
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SH_expert44
07/10/20 7:24:03 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
Idk, I'd just assume they'd go "oh really? that's weird..." and leave either so as to feign ignorance or if they somehow got a counterfeit bill without their knowledge. I mean, what I ended up with a counterfeit bill without knowing? Should I be charged and arrested?
They usually never are. Like i said earlier in the topic, ive called the cops on people turning in bills that failed the test numerous times. The cops come, and get the bill. Then talk with the person in question. 99% of the time, the person just fills out some paper work and gives their info. Then i fill out some report, the cops then take the bill and leave. Im not sure exactly what they do on their end, but i was always told they send it to the secret service.

The only time i have seen someone get taken in was a guy that was getting real aggressive with the police about the whole issue, and refused to give them ID or cooperate.

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nfearurspecimn
07/10/20 7:27:20 AM
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Oh, so I don't need to worry about it happening? It's one of my fears since I've heard of people having cops called on them.
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SH_expert44
07/10/20 7:30:19 AM
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nfearurspecimn posted...
Oh, so I don't need to worry about it happening? It's one of my fears since I've heard of people having cops called on them.
In my experience, if it ever did happen. just cooperate and dont be an asshole and the worst that would happen is you are out a few bucks. If you want to be extra cautious, invest in a counterfeit pen AND visually check larger bills.

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Shablagoo
07/10/20 7:31:17 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...
The only time i have seen someone get taken in was a guy that was getting real aggressive with the police about the whole issue, and refused to give them ID or cooperate.

Honestly I feel that is a breach of our rights as Americans. You are not required to give ID in most states and as far as I know we as citizens are not required to inspect each bill that happens to come into our hands for authenticity. If anything what should happen is the clerk should refuse the bill as payment and let the person leave (or pay with something else if they have it) and report the bill to the police through the non-emergency line.

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SH_expert44
07/10/20 7:33:58 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Honestly I feel that is a breach of the law. You are not required to give ID in most states and as far as I know we as citizens are not required to inspect each bill that happens to come into our hands for authenticity
Feel how you want. We live in reality land where you have to play ball if you dont want to end up in a cop car. Its not that hard to give ID and play along, especially if it means the interaction will go 1000 times smoother.

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nfearurspecimn
07/10/20 7:37:16 AM
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reality land lol I love it
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Shablagoo
07/10/20 7:37:21 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...
Feel how you want. We live in reality land where you have to play ball if you dont want to end up in a cop car. Its not that hard to give ID and play along, especially if it means the interaction will go 1000 times smoother.

Reality land where we no longer have rights and are required to show our papers when asked, huh? Thats not the law in most states, though I know police often breach it; Ive been arrested and beaten for not having my ID on me even though my state does not require us to show ID, so I can attest.

Im sorry some of my fellow countrymen dont believe in our freedoms as Americans, or the law, but I do.

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UnfairRepresent
07/11/20 9:39:14 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...

Feel how you want. We live in reality land where you have to play ball if you dont want to end up in a cop car. Its not that hard to give ID and play along, especially if it means the interaction will go 1000 times smoother.

lol

"dont fight for your rights and the rule of law, just roll over and accept cruel and unjust totalitarian reality"

How unAmerican of you
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SH_expert44
07/11/20 9:44:02 AM
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Shablagoo posted...


Reality land where we no longer have rights and are required to show our papers when asked, huh? Thats not the law in most states, though I know police often breach it; Ive been arrested and beaten for not having my ID on me even though my state does not require us to show ID, so I can attest
Youre telling me that if a cop asks you for ID, youre going to refuse and say "i know my rights" to his face?

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 9:50:28 AM
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solosnake posted...


Calling the police could be considered an act of violence. You can never predict how the cops will act in todays society. Once the police are involved all bets are off. Until there is meaningful reform in the nation, getting the cops involved should be avoided at all costs


This

This is why people need to think long and hard before they call the police on someone. It should be treated as something serious, since it can be easily serious.
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Zikten
07/11/20 9:50:38 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
It's fair to call the cops when counterfeit currency is used

it's not always the fault of the paying person. they may not know it's counterfeit. what if they themselves got scammed with that money from someone else?
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MachineJaipur
07/11/20 9:53:04 AM
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Calling cops over the counterfeit bill? Don't necessarily agree but if that was store policy then whatever.

If they had called cops because he was (obviously) drunk/intoxicated in public then that's more fair game.

Doesn't justify any of the polices actions though.
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nemu
07/11/20 9:53:07 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
This

This is why people need to think long and hard before they call the police on someone. It should be treated as something serious, since it can be easily serious.
Do you think about how you're going to potentially negligently murder someone with your car every time you drive?
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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 9:53:12 AM
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Zikten posted...


it's not always the fault of the paying person. they may not know it's counterfeit. what if they themselves got scammed with that money from someone else?


This. Especially with $20 bills. There's so many fake twenties in circulation and are often used for legitimate purchases. It wasn't like he was using a fake $100 at 1am in the morning trying to buy a stick of gum.
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SH_expert44
07/11/20 9:53:18 AM
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Zikten posted...


it's not always the fault of the paying person. they may not know it's counterfeit. what if they themselves got scammed with that money from someone else?
If only there was a group of people you could call that could help sort that matter out.

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 9:54:40 AM
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nemu posted...

Do you think about how you're going to potentially negligently murder someone with your car every time you drive?


Yes, as you should. Driving a car can be incredibly dangerous for you and other people on the road, which means you should always be focused as much as possible and make sure to adhere to traffic safety laws.

I don't know what backwards ass place is suggesting to you otherwise.

SH_expert44 posted...

If only there was a group of people you could call that could help sort that matter out.


I guarantee you you have paid with a fake $20 unknowingly at one point in your life and had they questioned you, you would not have been able to tell them how you received it.
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EndOfDiscOne
07/11/20 9:57:32 AM
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Calling the cops is more dangerous than letting someone drive drunk

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nemu
07/11/20 9:58:52 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
Yes, as you should. Driving a car can be incredibly dangerous for you and other people on the road, which means you should always be focused as much as possible and make sure to adhere to traffic safety laws.

I don't know what backwards ass place is suggesting to you otherwise.

I guarantee you you have paid with a fake $20 unknowingly at one point in your life and had they questioned you, you would not be able to tell them how you received it.
That's evading the question. Do you, every time you sit in your vehicle, seriously consider that you're performing an action that has a potential chance of death? If not, then your statement about calling the police is hypocritical.
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Herodopus
07/11/20 10:02:05 AM
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Lmao of course not. Calling the cops on someone is attempted murder, not to mention the utter lack of crime committed
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SH_expert44
07/11/20 10:02:25 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...


I guarantee you you have paid with a fake $20 unknowingly at one point in your life and had they questioned you, you would not have been able to tell them how you received it.
How could you guarantee that? I have never been flagged for passing off counterfeit money, and i pay with my credit card for mostly everything. The few times i use cash i know EXACTLY where it came from, because its not hard to remember the last time i got it.

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 10:04:32 AM
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nemu posted...

That's evading the question. Do you, every time you sit in your vehicle, seriously consider that you're performing an action that has a potential chance of death? If not, then your statement about calling the police is hypocritical.


First off, I don't. It's second nature for me to not put myself or the lives of others in danger from my actions, let alone driving. But that's besides the point. What the fuck does any of this have to do with me being a hypocrite according to you?

SH_expert44 posted...

How could you guarantee that? I have never been flagged for passing off counterfeit money, and i pay with my credit card for mostly everything. The few times i use cash i know EXACTLY where it came from, because its not hard to remember the last time i got it.


According to the United States Department of Treasury, an estimated $70 million in counterfeit bills are in circulation, or approximately 1 note in counterfeits for every 10,000 in genuine currency, with an upper bound of $200 million counterfeit, or 1 counterfeit per 4,000 genuine notes.


So unless you're like, 12, probability pretty much all but guarantees it.
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Herodopus
07/11/20 10:05:37 AM
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Nemus gimmick is to post nonsense comparisons and move goalposts
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MachineJaipur
07/11/20 10:06:51 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
First off, I don't. It's second nature for me to not put myself or the lives of others in danger from my actions, let alone driving. But that's besides the point. What the fuck does any of this have to do with me being a hypocrite according to you?
Because every time someone calls the cops they're not thinking "oh I'm going to (potentially) get this guy murdered". They're thinking "I'm doing what I believe is best for the situation or what I believe is required of me."
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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 10:08:54 AM
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Herodopus posted...
Nemus gimmick is to post nonsense comparisons and move goalposts


I mean to be fair calling the cops isn't attempted murder either.
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SH_expert44
07/11/20 10:09:11 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...


So unless you're like, 12, probability pretty much all but guarantees it.
Do you have trouble reading?

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nemu
07/11/20 10:09:32 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
First off, I don't. It's second nature for me to not put myself or the lives of others in danger from my actions, let alone driving. But that's besides the point. What the fuck does any of this have to do with me being a hypocrite according to you?
The chance of you killing someone in your car (assuming you're an average, attentive driver) and the chance of a police interaction ending in the death of an innocent are both some sub 0.1% action. If you seriously think calling the police is a matter of incredible scrutiny, then you driving also deserves that same scrutiny. Murder by police is tragic, but don't overinflate it. As you will most likely in your life never accidentally kill someone while driving, you will most likely in your life never be killed by a cop even if the frequency in which you dealt with them increased by ten fold.
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darkprince45
07/11/20 10:09:48 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Calling the cops is more dangerous than letting someone drive drunk

Herodopus posted...
Lmao of course not. Calling the cops on someone is attempted murder, not to mention the utter lack of crime committed



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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 10:09:52 AM
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MachineJaipur posted...

Because every time someone calls the cops they're not thinking "oh I'm going to (potentially) get this guy murdered". They're thinking "I'm doing what I believe is best for the situation or what I believe is required of me."


You don't use the emergency line for people trying to use fake twenty dollar bills. You call the nonemergency line.
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skermac
07/11/20 10:11:05 AM
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Its ok to call the cops on anyone its hoe the cops act thats the problem

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SH_expert44
07/11/20 10:11:56 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...


You don't use the emergency line for people trying to use fake twenty dollar bills. You call the nonemergency line.
Yeah, and?

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MachineJaipur
07/11/20 10:12:36 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
You don't use the emergency line for people trying to use fake twenty dollar bills. You call the nonemergency line.
Oh I agree.

It doesn't really change my mind about the action of calling the police though. If that was store policy then it's whatever because the employee was doing their job. If it was their own discretion, I think they're a bit of a busy body.

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Herodopus
07/11/20 10:14:14 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...
I mean to be fair calling the cops isn't attempted murder either.
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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 10:27:15 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...

Yeah, and?


Nonemergency lines don't respond by sending multiple officers to the scene of the crime only moments after being called.
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SH_expert44
07/11/20 10:29:43 AM
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...


Nonemergency lines don't respond by sending multiple officers to the scene of the crime only moments after being called.
Depending on the call they most certainly do. Especially if you are close to a station or cop hang out spot.

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Goldenguy
07/11/20 10:30:42 AM
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I think it's protocol with counterfeit money, to be honest. Man didn't deserve to die and especially the way he did. But the police call is at least textbook legit.

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/11/20 10:40:27 AM
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SH_expert44 posted...

Depending on the call they most certainly do. Especially if you are close to a station or cop hang out spot.


I'm sure if you use certain code words they do, you're right. But in most circumstances, including receiving a fake $20 in the middle of the afternoon - no.
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IShall_Run_Amok
07/11/20 10:44:36 AM
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I would say that a lesser consequence of the murder of George Floyd is that it shows how flawed our dealings with counterfeit money is.

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Blue_Target
07/11/20 10:51:18 AM
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Maybe my bosses were different but I've dealt with fake bills and never call the cops.

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RemixRBG
07/11/20 10:52:35 AM
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Black people don't have the means to name counterfeit money. How would he know it was a counterfeit bill and who put it there in the first place?
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