Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 307: Tulsa Staggered

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Damn

Really fucked up:

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1275808071823081473

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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1275527496230895617?s=09

Like something out of a dystopian movie.

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Have we already gone numb?

yes
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If you need some good news to brighten your day though:

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1275892366394695680

(Not surprising at all unless you buy the GOP spin about 230)

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If you need some good news to brighten your day though:

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1275892366394695680

(Not surprising at all unless you buy the GOP spin about 230)

I don't think Twitter ever editorialized content on it until like the last couple weeks. Since it didn't happen at any times covered by this lawsuit, that debate lies in the future. Imagine the following posts:

Devin Nunes' Dog: Devin Nunes is great! Vote for him! [Twitter Factcheck: Devin Nunes does not own a dog.]

Devin Nunes' Cow: Devin Nunes is awful! Don't vote for him [No Twitter Factcheck]

Then I think we might get somewhere with the 230 argument.

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My day was brightened by Mike Flynn getting off though. Bravo to the Court of Appeals.

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Inviso posted...

Honestly, the only instance of suppression I think should be corrected in the case of Kentucky is...why the fuck are you closing your polling stations at 6 PM? There are people with 9 to 5 jobs, so that's cutting things EXTREMELY close. Polling places in Connecticut are open until 8 PM, which is far more reasonable to give plenty of time to people who have work and can't necessarily take it off, even though they're legally allowed to.

So go before work. Go during the 4 hours they let you leave work to go vote. Go during one of the ten days it is open that you are off on. Like... Lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

Go during one of the ten days it is open that you are off on. Like... Lol.

The average 9-5 job does not have weekdays off.

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red sox 777 posted...

My day was brightened by Mike Flynn getting off though. Bravo to the Court of Appeals.

Hopefully the DC Circuit takes it up en banc

Basing that decision on the presumption of regularity the same day the House is receiving testimony about Barr using the DoJ as Trump's personal sword and shield is pretty fucking rich

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HashtagSEP posted...

The average 9-5 job does not have weekdays off.

So we gave 3 ways to vote easily. And you picked one out because why again?

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fun fact the devin nunes cow account follows my dad on twitter

... my dad doesn't even follow devin nunes's cow

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You're not going to convince anybody that closing polls at 6pm is a good idea, so you might as well stop now.

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HashtagSEP posted...

You're not going to convince anybody that closing polls at 6pm is a good idea, so you might as well stop now.

There is no convincing people in these topics of anything. Every person hanging from a tree was automatically lynched. Every noose in a park or a garage is automatically a hate crime. Anyone failing to vote is voter suppression. Anyone who doesn't agree on something regarding identity politics is a racist or a bigot. We get that.

Who is trying to convince you?

I pointed out 3 ways to vote for a 9 to 5 worker. You chose exactly 1 to acknowledge when trying to combat it.

So 5 to 6 is to short a range to vote reliably. Okay. Why not go at 6 am? 6am to 9am is a bigger range yes?

Why not go a day you are off, and if not off, a day earlier in the ten days which is less likely to be crowded?

Why not ask work to leave to go vote if you cannot somehow manage to vote?

I am not entirely sure what percentage of jobs are actually 9-5 anymore anyways, but the fact remains that the people in this scenario had opportunity to vote.

That said, what happened the previous 9 days? Was there no turning away people at 6pm? Was there no line to turn away people? Etc.

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What is your argument for why polls ending at 6pm is a good thing? Because there are plenty of reasons it's not, but if you're defending it so hard, then you must have reasons?

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HashtagSEP posted...

What is your argument for why polls ending at 6pm is a good thing? Because there are plenty of reasons it's not, but if you're defending it so hard, then you must have reasons?

It's there set time. Why is 7pm a good thing?

Half the state of Kentucky is 6pm and half 7pm (EST) due to time zones. 85% of Indiana is 6pm and 15% 7pm (EST) due to time zones. So you could argue some get an extra hour from work to vote and some may lose an hour but make the gap before work even wider.

I never said 6pm is a particularly good thing. But you have failed to argue 6pm is a particularly bad thing. If 6pm is bad because 7pm areas exist then. 7pm is bad because 8pm exists. Then 8pm is bad cuz 9pm exists.

Hawaii, Indiana, and Kentucky are 6pm. Yet to hear voter suppression arguments on blue Hawaii due to their time.

People rushed the last day at the end. Simple as that. They tried something different due to the Coronavirus. If you have a qualm with it, you likely have a qualm with the Coronavirus related ideas.

The nefarious voter suppression hardly seems to have been cause here. This is where how I point out when you try to lump everything under a rallying crime (racism, suppression, police brutality, etc) when it doesn't fit that you lessen your message.

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Every person hanging from a tree was automatically lynched.

its wild that this is in your list of things you find unreasonable
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

its wild that this is in your list of things you find unreasonable

Of course it is unreasonable. I was also listing recent things here.

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Corrik7 posted...

Of course it is unreasonable. I was also listing recent things here.

oh yeah of course its unreasonable
black people end up hanging from trees for innocent reasons all the time
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh yeah of course its unreasonable
black people end up hanging from trees for innocent reasons all the time

I mean, can you list to more reasons than suicide? For some reason I doubt in the past ten years African Americans hanging from trees is more from being lynched than suicide???

Not that it particularly matters. The point is. You automatically assume the message you want to harp. Smollett exposed this. The details don't matter worth shit to many of you. Just the message you want to push.

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I mean I ain't black but I'm pretty sure that's about the last method I'd use if I was

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Tom Bombadil posted...

I mean I ain't black but I'm pretty sure that's about the last method I'd use if I was

It does seem super complicated and hard to do. Would take a lot of planning. It also seems super dumb to do for a murder and just as much planning. So... . Either way. Assuming it was a lynching seems a bit short-sighted and super convenient to your message

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Corrik7 posted...

I mean, can you list to more reasons than suicide? For some reason I doubt in the past ten years African Americans hanging from trees is more from being lynched than suicide???

Not that it particularly matters. The point is. You automatically assume the message you want to harp. Smollett exposed this. The details don't matter worth shit to many of you. Just the message you want to push.

I dont even want to push a message in this case, I just see a black man hanging from a tree and my mind immediately goes to lynching.
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Corrik7 posted...

It does seem super complicated and hard to do. Would take a lot of planning. It also seems super dumb to do for a murder and just as much planning. So... . Either way. Assuming it was a lynching seems a bit short-sighted and super convenient to your message

The difference is that there is a notable history of lynching. There isn't notable history of suicide via tree. Thus, one seems much more likely than the other.

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Corrik7 posted...

I mean, can you list to more reasons than suicide? For some reason I doubt in the past ten years African Americans hanging from trees is more from being lynched than suicide???

How often do people commit suicide by hanging from a tree?

Its unreasonable to not even consider lynching when something like this, with the history it has, happens so infrequently.

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StealThisSheen posted...

The difference is that there is a notable history of lynching. There isn't notable history of suicide via tree. Thus, one seems much more likely than the other.

There is a notable history of suicides from trees... There is not a notable history of lynching African-Americans from trees in over 30 years.

You are comparing a different time to today to support the narrative. Though more recent, it would be just as silly as me comparing to 500 BC or some shit on something today.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How often do people commit suicide by hanging from a tree?

Its unreasonable to not even consider lynching when something like this, with the history it has, happens so infrequently.

You should consider all possibilities. Of course. Problem that I am pointing out here is that some here automatically assumed it was a lynching.

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Corrik7 posted...

There is a notable history of suicides from trees... There is not a notable history of lynching African-Americans from trees in over 30 years.

Where and when is this notable history of suicide by trees? Im seriously asking, because Ive literally never heard of this.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Where and when is this notable history of suicide by trees? Im seriously asking, because Ive literally never heard of this.

There's a passage in the Bible that places a curse on people who die from hanging on a tree. But unless you are trying to curse yourself, you'd choose another way of dying.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Where and when is this notable history of suicide by trees? Im seriously asking, because Ive literally never heard of this.

there's that forest in Japan I guess

Corrik7 posted...

It does seem super complicated and hard to do. Would take a lot of planning. It also seems super dumb to do for a murder and just as much planning. So... .

symbolism, bro

Corrik7 posted...

There is not a notable history of lynching African-Americans from trees in over 30 years.

there hasn't been a Confederate States of America in a few decades either but people still get really excited about its imagery and what it represents

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Where and when is this notable history of suicide by trees? Im seriously asking, because Ive literally never heard of this.

That one young girl a few years back Facebook lived her suicide from a tree. It was a very disgusting video to say the least.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Death-of-man-filmed-hanging-from-tree-officially-13444505.php

Suicide by hanging is the most popular form of suicide in the world and the second most popular in the US after firearms.

I also posted this a topic or two ago.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264460951_Why_Do_People_Hang_Themselves_on_Trees_An_Evaluation_of_Suicidal_Hangings_on_Trees_in_Konya_Turkey_between_2001_and_2008


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The point is assuming the cause of death because it supports your narrative is an issue. It also is frankly kind of dehumanizing to the person who lost their life too.

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If these are suicides then Jeffery Epstein must have actually killed himself too!

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https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-19/malcolm-harsch-committed-suicide-family

"Robert Fullers death came 10 days after another Black man, 38-year-old Malcolm Harsch, was found hanged from a tree about 50 miles away, in Victorville, California, May 31st. After calling for further investigation, Malcolm Harschs family said over the weekend that his death was in fact a suicide and that they had reviewed video footage the police provided. Community activists are still asking why it took so long for a thorough investigation into his death."

https://abc7.com/amp/hispanic-man-dead-an-in-shady-acres-suicide/6250118/


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Corrik7 posted...

Suicide by hanging is the most popular form of suicide in the world and the second most popular in the US after firearms.

We're not discussing hanging overall. We're talking about specifically hanging from a tree. If you have proof that hanging specifically from trees is a popular/common form of suicide in the US, please share.

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Corrik7 posted...

Suicide by hanging is the most popular form of suicide in the world and the second most popular in the US after firearms.

Yes, hanging in general is popular, but it is a STREEEETCH to say hanging from a tree on its own has a notable history over the extremely notable history of lynching in the US.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

If these are suicides then Jeffery Epstein must have actually killed himself too!

He very likely did!

(And no, I'm not agreeing with Corrik here)

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The whole point is that lynching has a very notable history in the US, and it's connected to symbolism that people are now loudly and proudly promoting today, vs. people committing suicide via tree is something that... Occasionally happens and has no symbolism attached to it? It's not weird at all to see somebody, especially a black man, hanging from a tree, and think lynching is probable.

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Especially not when it's...what are we up to, 8? In a couple weeks?

Don't know just how dense you have to be to think that's a coincidence.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

He very likely did!

(And no, I'm not agreeing with Corrik here)

Theres reasonable doubt, at this point

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https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1275900256211927044?s=09

As a former Floridian, please annex Florida.

https://youtu.be/F64-5t6xXBk

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bugsbunnyflorida.gif

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"and they want to throw god's wonderful breathing system out the door"

darn she's the one person with the camera shot from behind so I can't see if she's wearing glasses

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It sure seems like Florida would be better off if these people didn't have God's wonderful breathing system.
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

sort by deaths per million

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dont tell me what to sort by, youre not the boss of me
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SmartMuffin posted...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

sort by deaths per million

I mean, yeah, the Northeast has a ton of very dense cities and got cases earlier and were too slow to shut down. They have since gotten things under control. Other areas had longer to prepare, and the benefit of new knowledge about how to stop the virus (e.g. that masks appear to be quite helpful), and cases are going up regardless. Things may ultimately not end up as bad in places like AZ, TX, and FL because people are taking things seriously enough that R isn't a ton above 1, so once they realize they've fucked up and implement new measures the remaining couple of weeks of new cases/deaths that are baked in won't be as bad, but there's much less of an excuse.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

so once they realize they've fucked up and implement new measures

Not going to happen.

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wear a mask

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