Current Events > Dylann Roof was a lethal threat who was promptly taken to Burger King

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Rayshard Brooks was a drunk man with an empty taser who was running away in a parking lot and got shot multiple times in the back.

If you cannot see the inconsistency here, you need to stay out of the fucking discussion. And hopefully if you're a cop, quit and find a better job.
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This needed a new topic.

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Malcrasternus posted...

This needed a new topic.

Correct. It should probably need a sticky as well.
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Malcrasternus posted...

This needed a new topic.

just like they dont need one.

Malcrasternus posted...

This needed a new topic.

Explain why not

I can't see an inconsistency because the cases seem to have no relation to each other.
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dylan roof was peacefully arrested
rayshard brooks fought with the police officers who tried to arrest him

DeadBankerDream posted...

I can't see an inconsistency because the cases seem to have no relation to each other.

I'll help you out.

How did the cops respond to these situations? Did they deem the suspects a danger to society? Did their actions correlate consistently with that assertion?
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Did the same cops who took Roof to Burger King also shoot Brooks? Small world, I guess.

Fam_Fam posted...

dylan roof was peacefully arrested
rayshard brooks fought with the police officers who tried to arrest him

Now see, that's an incredibly gross post.
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Fam_Fam posted...

dylan roof was peacefully arrested
rayshard brooks fought with the police officers who tried to arrest him

This isn't a capital offense.
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Fam_Fam posted...

dylan roof was peacefully arrested
rayshard brooks fought with the police officers who tried to arrest him

Dylann Roof recognized the cops were on his side and surrendered

Rayshard Brooks understood that he was considered an enemy to the cops due to his skin and that's why he had to fight

I mean, demonstrably speaking, Dylan Roof peacefully surrendered to the police.

Rayshard Brooks was shot in the act of fleeing and attacking police.

Police don't (usually) shoot police as a form of punishment, they shoot people because they are resisting arrest with perceived lethal force.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

I'll help you out.

How did the cops respond to these situations? Did they deem the suspects a danger to society? Did their actions correlate consistently with that assertion?

How are the cases related? They aren't even cases. One of them was a murder, or wasn't the cop arrested?
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Funny how you skip the part where he fought with two cops and wrestled a weapon away from one of them.......

Honest mistake I'm sure

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Dorfmann_ posted...

Did the same cops who took Roof to Burger King also shoot Brooks? Small world, I guess.

No but the same cops defending the cops actions against Brooks seem to not use the same logic when it comes to Dylann Roof or the white supremacist holding guns on top of a rooftop.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Funny how you skip the part where he fought with two cops and wrestled a weapon away from one of them.......

Honest mistake I'm sure

Funny how you skip the part where that was a non lethal weapon and even so had already fired its maximum charges.

Honest mistake I'm sure
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I still don't get why they took him to a drive-thru. That seems incredibly unusual for cops to do even for people who didn't just commit mass murder. Did the cops pay for him out of pocket?

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eston posted...

I still don't get why they took him to a drive-thru. That seems incredibly unusual for cops to do even for people who didn't just commit mass murder. Did the cops pay for him out of pocket?

You know why.
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Dorfmann_ posted...

Did the same cops who took Roof to Burger King also shoot Brooks? Small world, I guess.

It doesn't have to be the same cops.

What this demonstrates is a clear inconsistency with how the police operate, and we have mountains of evidence to suggest that race plays a factor in this inconsistency.

There is absolutely no fucking reason why a guy that murdered an entire church of people was able to be detained peacefully, but in cases like John Crawford or Breonna Taylor, bullets were fired without even so much as an attempt to assess the situation.

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And let's say they successfully arrested Rayshard Brooks instead of killing him. Dude was in line for Wendy's. Does that mean they would have gotten in the drive thru line and bought him Wendy's instead of taking him straight to jail? What are the chances?

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

It doesn't have to be the same cops.

What this demonstrates is a clear inconsistency with how the police operate, and we have mountains of evidence to suggest that race plays a factor in this inconsistency.

There is absolutely no fucking reason why a guy that murdered an entire church of people was able to be detained peacefully, but in cases like John Crawford or Breonna Taylor, bullets were fired without even so much as an attempt to assess the situation.

Don't forget that James Holmes was detained peacefully as well.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

fleeing and attacking

These are opposites.

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Fam_Fam posted...

dylan roof was peacefully arrested
rayshard brooks fought with the police officers who tried to arrest him

Wasn't aware that was a death sentence when we have a justice system to take care of that. Cops should just be Judge Dredd if that's the case.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

Funny how you skip the part where that was a non lethal weapon and even so had already fired its maximum charges.

Charges that were fired by the suspect. And by the DA's own words a taser is considered a leathal weapon under Georgia law

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From Snopes:

"No reasonable reading of Shelby Police Chief Jeff Ledfords accounts would suggest that Roof had actually been taken to Burger King after he was apprehended."

"Regardless of all the straightforward reasons why police would provide food to a suspect in their custody, the plain explanation is that Roof hadnt eaten in days, and the Shelby PD didnt have the facilities to house him and provide him with meals while waiting for federal and Charleston authorities to arrive, so they had to dispatch someone to a nearby business to pick up some food for him"

@ThisGuyAreSick

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Rayshard Brooks was shot in the act of fleeing and attacking police.

Uh, so was he running or attacking when he got shot? Kinda makes all the difference.

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My assumption would be that considering the enormity of Roof's crimes, the cops were deeply interested in building rapport for the interrogation to come.

Which could absolutely be wrong, I don't know. But it certainly seems more likely to me than because cops are racists and they wanted to give him a reward for his mass murder of black people.
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eston posted...

I still don't get why they took him to a drive-thru. That seems incredibly unusual for cops to do even for people who didn't just commit mass murder. Did the cops pay for him out of pocket?

This kind of thing can be pretty common actually to get a confession in a situation where it's obvious the suspect did it. Better to try to get the confession as soon as possible by buttering up the perp rather than letting the lawyers get too involved.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Charges that were fired by the suspect. And by the DA's own words a taser is considered a leathal weapon under Georgia law

First off, Georgia law says the opposite.

Secondly, the taser fired its maximum shots and the cops knew this.

Last but not least, if we treat the taser as a lethal weapon, that would mean the cop who initially pulled it out was using unauthorized deadly force against an unarmed suspect.

Now shut the fuck up.
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the0rebirth posted...

Uh, so was he running or attacking when he got shot? Can't do both.

Running away while firing a weapon is still an act of aggression.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

My assumption would be that considering the enormity of Roof's crimes, the cops were deeply interested in building rapport for the interrogation to come.

Which could absolutely be wrong, I don't know. But it certainly seems more likely to me than because cops are racists and they wanted to give him a reward for his mass murder of black people.

No, Roof had white privelege.

It's the same privelege that protected James Holmes but not Christopher Dorner.
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VanananaHeyHey posted...

These are opposites.

No, they aren't. I can simultaneously run away from someone while firing a weapon at them. It's pretty common in LEO videos.

Edit: Jesus Christ, there's two of you who don't get this simple concept? Do you guys have difficulty breathing and walking at the same time too?

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Wasn't Roof asleep in his car when they jumped him?

Hard to put up a defensive shootout with the cops when they jump you in your sleep.

Kind of like how the DC Sniper dude and kid were taken down.


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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

First off, Georgia law says the opposite.

Secondly, the taser fired its maximum shots and the cops knew this.

Last but not least, if we treat the taser as a lethal weapon, that would mean the cop who initially pulled it out was using unauthorized deadly force against an unarmed suspect.

Now shut the fuck up.

Just repeating what the DA who brought these charges literally said two weeks ago. You don't know what that cop did or didn't know. The fact is right before Mr Brooks was shot he'd turned and fired a chage above the officer's head, meaning he was aiming at his face.

And no, if you don't want to listen to facts you can feel free to shut the fuck up and move along

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

No, Roof had white privelege.

It's the same privelege that protected James Holmes but not Christopher Dorner.

Chris Dorner was in a shootout with deputies before he was killed in a standoff...hardly the example youd want to use.

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Cherry picking stories to create a narrative is really dishonest.

One could point to something like the Beltway Snipers. Killed 17. Both black, both found asleep in their car, both arrested with no issue.

None of that matters. Each case is independent of each other.

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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

No, Roof had white privelege.

It's the same privelege that protected James Holmes but not Christopher Dorner.

Quickly reading off of wikipedia, Holmes was arrested without resistance standing next to the theater exit door, whereas Dorner barricaded himself in a cabin and refused to come out.
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ThisGuyAreSick posted...

First off, Georgia law says the opposite.

Secondly, the taser fired its maximum shots and the cops knew this.

Last but not least, if we treat the taser as a lethal weapon, that would mean the cop who initially pulled it out was using unauthorized deadly force against an unarmed suspect.

Now shut the fuck up.

People, I think, are misinterpreting a post I made in a previous topic criticizing the DA's interpretation of Aggravated Assault in a previous case from last month. Just to clarify, as far as I know, taser's are NOT considered a deadly weapon in the GA legal code.

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Kaldrenthebold posted...

Wasn't aware that was a death sentence when we have a justice system to take care of that. Cops should just be Judge Dredd if that's the case.

never said it was.

was explaining differences in the circumstances that contributes to different outcomes, however.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Just repeating what the DA who brought these charges literally said two weeks ago. You don't know what that cop did or didn't know. The fact is right before Mr Brooks was shot he'd turned and fired a chage above the officer's head, meaning he was aiming at his face.

And no, if you don't want to listen to facts you can feel free to shut the fuck up and move along

Shut the fuck up.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

My assumption would be that considering the enormity of Roof's crimes, the cops were deeply interested in building rapport for the interrogation to come.

Then that poses another question: why are the police more interested in building rapport with a white supremacist who had no remorse for his actions than they are in building rapport with the many black men they have killed who were, at worst, accused of petty crimes, if there was even a crime committed at all?

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Then that poses another question: why are the police more interested in building rapport with a white supremacist who had no remorse for his actions than they are in building rapport with the many black men they have killed who were, at worst, accused of petty crimes, if there was even a crime committed at all?

This will get lost on people so I'm quoting it to reemphasize the point.
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While the Burger King sounds bad, I think the idea of law enforcement not feeding people in their custody is something we would rather not encourage.

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Gheb posted...

While the Burger King sounds bad, I think the idea of law enforcement not feeding people in their custody is something we would rather not encourage.

But the alternative when it comes to arresting black people is that instead of them potentially starving, they just decide to shoot them instead.
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Seems reasonable to me that you'd be more interested in getting a fruitful and good interrogation of a suspect the worse his crime is.

But again, I don't think it can be compared 1:1 and I'm not saying the way blacks in general are treated by the police isn't wrong.

I just don't think you can say anything specific about that because Dylann Roof got a big mac.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Then that poses another question: why are the police more interested in building rapport with a white supremacist who had no remorse for his actions than they are in building rapport with the many black men they have killed who were, at worst, accused of petty crimes, if there was even a crime committed at all?

IIRC, the cops in the Rayshard Brooks case spent 40 minutes trying to talk him into peacefully going into the station.

It's dumb to generalize all police behavior. Criticize situations where the do stuff wrong. Don't criticize weird hypothetical situations that you strawman for the sake of your own argument.

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I'm struggling to see as to why that motivation isn't toxic and completely beneficial to killers like Dylann Roof.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

IIRC, the cops in the Rayshard Brooks case spent 40 minutes trying to talk him into peacefully going into the station.

It's dumb to generalize all police behavior. Criticize situations where the do stuff wrong. Don't criticize weird hypothetical situations that you strawman for the sake of your own argument.

40 minutes was all the cops needed with a drunk man to decide on killing him.

Damn man. If only they had more time maybe he wouldn't have committed the capital offense of sucker punching a cop!
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Well, to be fair, I'm struggling to consider you a serious poster. Are you a Frisbee alt or something?
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