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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:08:26 PM
#101:


Houston posted...


That drunk man just got done wrestling with officers on the ground, punching one of them, stealing a taser and then firing it at an officer. But according to you, he wasn't of any threat. No. That man was a threat to the cops, himself and the public. It takes someone with a pretty bad mindset to do what he did. Dylan, though committing horrible acts of atrocities did not try to fight police. He was arrested without incident.



For the millionth and fourth time, the taser was shot twice, its maximum capacity. It also wasn't a lethal weapon. Nothing Brooks did was a capital offense nor justified being shot in the back.
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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:08:52 PM
#102:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
I'm gonna need an answer for this. And I'd also like to add in John Craword III, who was gunned down before he could even comprehend the situation.
What do you want me to say? These are all awful (Well, good, but awful) examples of abuse by police that resulted in tragic death, and the police should have (And weren't) held accountable. The fact that needless death happens by shitty officers doesn't change the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of blacks that are arrested by police are not summarily murdered by police. We shouldn't be talking about bizarre hypotheticals because it simply isn't productive, but we can absolutely talk about cases of actual police abuse that occur, especially when the perpetrators of the abuse are not charged for their crimes. Let's talk about how Breonna Taylor was murdered in her sleep by incompetent thugs, not make up the fiction about a drunk who had no choice but to steal a police taser, because if he didn't he would have been strangled to death by police officers in the drunk tank.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/18/20 5:10:24 PM
#103:


Regardless of the specific details, why does policing in the U.S. not operate on the same base logic that policing in almost every other developed country does?

You're supposed to assess the threat level of a suspect first, and violence is supposed to be a last resort. Yes, there is a risk that being slow to act can result in someone, presumably the officer being hurt or killed, but that is a part of the job. Policing isn't the only profession with a high-risk of death or injury, but it IS the sole profession where fear is somehow an excuse for not doing your job properly.

I'd say the threat level of a drunken man with a taser should be very, very low for any mildly competent police department.

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Patchwork
06/18/20 5:12:07 PM
#104:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
How did this get applied to Breanna Taylor?

I don't need to read anything more of what you have to say. Your a cop who will justify anything a cop will ever do. You'd quit and throw a tantrum if one of your own murdered somebody. No amount of wall of texts will convince me that you're not a disingenuous power tripping cop who shitposts on GameFAQs instead of helping his community or protecting it.


So, every time your point is contradicted, you just switch to a different case. Got it. Youre a joke.

FursonaNonGrata posted...
Its literally your and every other fucking cops job to have better control over their emotions and reactions than a civilian. Youre public fucking servants, dont fucking whine when people hold you to a higher standard. Stop making excuses for roided up assholes on a power trip.

God this is so fucking pathetic. You really do see yourselves as better than the people youve sworn to protect. What a fucking baby.

Im glad you take the statement of facts contradictory to your beliefs as whining. You can hold people to a higher standard all you want morally and ethically, but none or that changes the way your body works chemically.

Youre acting like a child.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:13:01 PM
#105:


>gets stressed out at the most nonlethal of threats and justifies shooting someone
>"youre acting like a child"

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/18/20 5:13:26 PM
#106:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
The fact that needless death happens by shitty officers doesn't change the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of blacks that are arrested by police are not summarily murdered by police.

We are not talking about the vast majority of arrests. We are talking about the fact that a black suspect is more likely to be (or at the very least, more quickly) met with lethal force than a white suspect. There is a difference.

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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:14:32 PM
#107:


Patchwork posted...
Youre deliberately ignoring the bodys physiological response to life-or-death stress. You look at the Brooks shooting as if the officers were of clear, logical mind, despite having just been in a fight with a suspect who had effectively been able to disarm one of the officers.

Youre sitting here trying to make a case that Rolfe shouldve known the taser was empty, when there are multitudes of cases of officer involved shootings in which the officer cannot recall if he personally fired two shots or twelve, because your brain is suffering sensory overload.

There are studies that show you dont even recall all of the pertinent facts of a critical incident until days later, because of the human reaction to the possibility of death.

Brooks turned that taser on Rolfe, and Rolfe pulled the trigger because his mind, in that moment, told him he was in immediate danger.

Its convenient to armchair quarterback the incident in the cold sobriety of your own placid existence right now.
Yeah, maybe it will play to juror's or maybe it won't, be statistically speaking information like "He fired the taser twice so it's empty" is rarely consciously considered by people in violent conflicts REGARDLESS of how experienced or well trained they are. I mean hell, if I'm at a gun range shooting my friends 5 shot Mosin Nagant, under peaceful conditions, with no stressing factors other than my focus on my target, and I'll almost always forget if I've fired four or five shots. In a violent conflict, it is absolutely, 100% unreasonable to expect an officer to be conscious of the number of shots a suspect has discharged.

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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:15:33 PM
#108:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
We are not talking about the vast majority of arrests. We are talking about the fact that a black suspect is more likely to be (or at the very least, more quickly) met with lethal force than a white suspect. There is a difference.
I have literally never said otherwise?

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:16:26 PM
#109:


And despite that, a taser is a nonlethal weapon.

If it was a lethal weapon, the cop pulling it out was using an unauthorized used of deadly force to subdue an unarmed suspect.

You can't defend this shit.
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FursonaNonGrata
06/18/20 5:16:55 PM
#110:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
Yeah, maybe it will play to juror's or maybe it won't, be statistically speaking information like "He fired the taser twice so it's empty" is rarely consciously considered by people in violent conflicts REGARDLESS of how experienced or well trained they are. I mean hell, if I'm at a gun range shooting my friends 5 shot Mosin Nagant, under peaceful conditions, with no stressing factors other than my focus on my target, and I'll almost always forget if I've fired four or five shots. In a violent conflict, it is absolutely, 100% unreasonable to expect an officer to be conscious of the number of shots a suspect has discharged.

I cant count to five so therefore public servants shouldnt be held to a higher standard

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Houston
06/18/20 5:17:47 PM
#111:


I'm not sure if we even know both shots in that specific taser were fired. One cop did fire their taser once, but I don't think that's the cop that shot the suspect. I could be wrong, though.

Now that I think about it more, I think one shot very well could have been remaining. The taser was stolen by the suspect BEFORE the suspect was tased. So it the shot fired must have come from the other officer''s taser.

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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:18:29 PM
#112:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Regardless of the specific details, why does policing in the U.S. not operate on the same base logic that policing in almost every other developed country does?

You're supposed to assess the threat level of a suspect first, and violence is supposed to be a last resort. Yes, there is a risk that being slow to act can result in someone, presumably the officer being hurt or killed, but that is a part of the job. Policing isn't the only profession with a high-risk of death or injury, but it IS the sole profession where fear is somehow an excuse for not doing your job properly.

I'd say the threat level of a drunken man with a taser should be very, very low for any mildly competent police department.
I find the opinion that officers should have to "expect" to die in order to safely do their job to be reprehensible as well. How can you claim to have a moral stance but be willing to trade the life of the law-abiding for the lives of those that put them in danger to begin with? Just because they're getting paid? How fucked is that?

I expect police to be able to protect themselves in any situation where their life is at risk with lethal force, just like I would provide for the citizenry. I find the idea of viewing police as "more expendable" than the average citizen to be absolutely dystopian in concept.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:18:55 PM
#113:


Houston posted...
I'm not sure if we even know both shots in that specific taser were fired. One cop did fire their taser once, but I don't think that's the cop that shot the suspect. I could be wrong, though.


You are.
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Houston
06/18/20 5:19:31 PM
#114:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
You are.

The taser was stolen by the suspect BEFORE the suspect was tased. So the taser being deployed once had to come from the other officer's taser.

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markconigliaro
06/18/20 5:19:59 PM
#115:


I'm not going to say anything about the current conversation, but people get the Dylann Roof Burger King story completely wrong all time.

No, he was not brought to Burger King, he was in the police station and said he was hungry and hadn't eaten in days. If they denied him food, everything he says could be thrown out of court because he could have argued that he was under duress. So they radio'd a cop and asked him to grab some food. Roof wasn't in the car, they didn't go in the drive thru together, they just brought him food so he would talk and it would hold in court.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:20:10 PM
#116:


Houston posted...


The taser was stolen by the suspect BEFORE the suspect was tased. So it the shot fired must have come from the other officer''s taser.


Video analysis and the Atlanta DA disagrees with your assertion.
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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:21:15 PM
#117:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
I cant count to five so therefore public servants shouldnt be held to a higher standard
If you want to ignore the plethora of legitimate scientific studies on cognition and memory during extreme stress situations in favor of extremely witty one-liners then be my guest, but at least let me advise that it is not the most convincing argument.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:22:16 PM
#118:


Pogo_Marimo posted...

If you want to ignore the plethora of legitimate scientific studies on cognition and memory during extreme stress situations in favor of extremely witty one-liners then be my guest, but at least let me advise that it is not the most convincing argument.


It's almost as if you're making the argument that cops shouldn't use deadly force in general, being that human beings are flawed enough as it is and can't handle high stress situations properly.
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Houston
06/18/20 5:23:51 PM
#119:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
Video analysis and the Atlanta DA disagrees with your assertion.

The DA said there was not 1 out of 2 shots left? Show me, please.

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Malcrasternus
06/18/20 5:24:08 PM
#120:


markconigliaro posted...
I'm not going to say anything about the current conversation, but people get the Dylann Roof Burger King story completely wrong all time.

No, he was not brought to Burger King, he was in the police station and said he was hungry and hadn't eaten in days. If they denied him food, everything he says could be thrown out of court because he could have argued that he was under duress. So they radio'd a cop and asked him to grab some food. Roof wasn't in the car, they didn't go in the drive thru together, they just brought him food so he would talk and it would hold in court.

I feel this is going to be ignored.

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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:26:03 PM
#121:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
It's almost as if you're making the argument that cops shouldn't use deadly force in general, being that human beings are flawed enough as it is and can't handle high stress situations properly.
How about YOU make an argument based on what I actually said, and I'll let you know if it's actually correct or not.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:27:02 PM
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FursonaNonGrata
06/18/20 5:27:04 PM
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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:27:43 PM
#125:


Pogo_Marimo posted...

How about YOU make an argument based on what I actually said, and I'll let you know if it's actually correct or not.


I just did dude. You just gave me more reasons to not trust the police to be able to use lethal force.
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FursonaNonGrata
06/18/20 5:28:12 PM
#126:


Conflict posted...
nah someone brought that up in another topic

It sounds believable


Its true. It gets lost in the shuffle but it was after he was apprehended. I blame Shaun King for perpetuating that one.

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Pogo_Marimo
06/18/20 5:34:16 PM
#127:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
I just did dude. You just gave me more reasons to not trust the police to be able to use lethal force.
Dude, if you're not even going to bother making actual arguments for people to address, then I'm probably done here. There's better topics on this board to discuss this than this one where you are constantly interrupting any actual discussion with your platitudes and end zone dancing.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:36:40 PM
#128:


You were the one that said that the body's physiological response to high stress situations can account for many errors in judgement and more specifically keeping track of what is going on in the heat of the moment. Feel free to dispute that.

That being said, that's all the more reason we should stop giving cops the right to use lethal force.
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RchHomieQuanChi
06/18/20 5:37:24 PM
#129:


Pogo_Marimo posted...
I find the opinion that officers should have to "expect" to die in order to safely do their job to be reprehensible as well. How can you claim to have a moral stance but be willing to trade the life of the law-abiding for the lives of those that put them in danger to begin with? Just because they're getting paid? How fucked is that?

I expect police to be able to protect themselves in any situation where their life is at risk with lethal force, just like I would provide for the citizenry. I find the idea of viewing police as "more expendable" than the average citizen to be absolutely dystopian in concept.

Nobody is saying cops are more expendable. What we are saying is that "fearing for your life" is not an excuse to be trigger-happy in situations where your suspect is not immediately compliant.

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Houston
06/18/20 5:40:46 PM
#130:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78781907/940876212

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/78781907/940866560

Okay, thank you. I concede on that point.

But I still don't think he should be charged.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:42:51 PM
#131:


Houston posted...


Okay, thank you. I concede on that point.

But I still don't think he should be charged.


Why not?
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Houston
06/18/20 5:44:46 PM
#132:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
Why not?

I think a drunk man who just got finished violently assaulting officers multiple times is a risk to himself and others and potentially the other officer still left that would continue to pursue someone who is now a felon after assaulting officers.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:49:57 PM
#133:


Houston posted...


I think a drunk man who just got finished violently assaulting officers multiple times is a risk to himself and others and potentially the other officer still left that would continue to pursue someone who is now a felon after assaulting officers.


The officer had body armor on and an assortment of weapons. At what risk did he pose to anybody?

Also, what felony did he commit that was a capital offense?
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Houston
06/18/20 5:52:52 PM
#134:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
The officer had body armor on and an assortment of weapons. At what risk did he pose to anybody?

Also, what felony did he commit that was a capital offense?

Officers have the right to shoot if a person is a threat to others. The guy was clearly out of control and violent, which means a threat.

You won't change my mind on this and I won't change yours. So it's useless to continue.

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ThisGuyAreSick
06/18/20 5:54:41 PM
#135:


Houston posted...


Officers have the right to shoot if a person is a threat to others. The guy was clearly out of control and violent, which means a threat.

You won't change my mind on this and I won't change yours. So it's useless to continue.


Well being that you think an unarmed black man is a threat to others and deserves to be shot because of that, I am going to have to say that you are a threat to others as well and honestly should be put on a watch list.
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apocalyptic_4
06/18/20 6:29:00 PM
#136:


FursonaNonGrata posted...

Reminds me of the Admiral

EDIT this is what goes through my mind when I see non minorities arguing about how black people should feel about them using the N word.

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gamer167
06/18/20 8:23:23 PM
#137:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...

According to people defending the handling of him he didn't even surrender apparently.

So uh, you're wrong.


But you made this topic talking about him eating Burger King....
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Monolith1676
06/18/20 8:28:23 PM
#138:


eston posted...
I still don't get why they took him to a drive-thru. That seems incredibly unusual for cops to do even for people who didn't just commit mass murder. Did the cops pay for him out of pocket?

They were likely going to an interrogation and it was going to take several hours and then he would be booked at an unknown time and miss several meals. It is also used as a tactic to get people to talk.

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Tenlaar
06/18/20 8:36:44 PM
#139:


Monolith1676 posted...
They were likely...
No, they were not. The claim that they took him to a drive thru is just false.
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