Poll of the Day > Will America have to shut down again?

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Your Covid cases are going up again

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There is no point to shutting down unless we do other things in conjunction with shutting down. And seeing how anti-health republicans and conservatives are I don't see that happening so shutting down is pointless

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

. And seeing how anti-health republicans and conservatives are I don't see that happening so shutting down is pointless

Excuse me but who is it out in the streets packed shoulder to shoulder shouting with no masks on? This doesnt need to be a partisan issue. Americans, regardless of where they fall politically, value their individual freedoms. It is up to the individual to keep themselves safe from covid. Government cannot magically absolve all risk.

I wouldn't expect any sort of large scale cooperation while the orange man is in office. He instills no confidence in people, and instead of trying to unite the country he's been trying his best to do the opposite.

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Yes, likely.

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Theres no way theyll do that again regardless of how bad it gets. If people didnt care about the virus before, they wont care this time.

the only thing we can do is block off states as much as possible to stop the spread into other states. Some states are doing better; states like Mass and NY (who were hit the hardest originally) are slowly recovering, while states like Florida and Texas who thought it was a hoax are now finally getting hit hard. But those states would never close down. Those people are psycho and wouldnt last 5 days being stuck inside. They will still refuse to wear masks even if their numbers really start to skyrocket

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One of the few times I'm glad to be in NJ, at least my state actually took it seriously from the gate. Granted we have our share of anti-mask low-IQ morons trying to fuck everything up, but they're pretty outnumbered by people who actually give a shit about others.

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BeerOnTap posted...

Excuse me

You are excused from speaking to me

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The nicest fucking burn ever. Lol

On topic: no. The president and the publicans have constantly expressed they rather people die than to close up again.

States are literally lying about the amount of COVID cases they have to stay open.

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There is a high chance we see regional shut downs happening in cities or counties identified as hot spots, but the whole country wont shut down again.

Jen0125 posted...

Yes, likely.

No way. My money's on mass death bar some kind of mass protest.

They already dealt with the problem... by giving $4.5T to shareholders in a bill with crumbs for Americans that they desperately needed. Then Mitch was like "there's no fucking money left leave us alone". Another shutdown would have to mean revisiting that on top of Trump admitting he fucked up.

My favorite German restaurant shut down because the government didn't do anything. They didn't give the country any tools to shut down... so it's either open up or starve.

Even Bernie caved in under the massive pressure of not blocking a bill that was essentially a ransom.

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Jen0125 posted...

Yes, likely.

I foresee the Trump administration believing that cases are at unacceptable levels sometime around November. Theyll make sure everybody stays home.

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You guys do realize that a majority of these new cases are of the asymptomatic/subclinical type do to the increases in testing right? People just arent dropping dead in the streets like youre imagining.

HornedLion posted...

I foresee the Trump administration believing that cases are at unacceptable levels sometime around November. Theyll make sure everybody stays home.

No, they'll insure that mail-in ballots are abolished and force everyone to go to polling places, and put in bullshit regulations that make social distancing at them impossible, so all sensible people are forced to stay home.

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Maybe, but even if we do need to I doubt we will

I think covid-19 is here to stay and its something that well need to deal with for the rest of our lives

all because the US and a few other countries with Trump-like authoritarian leaders refused to accept reality and take it seriously

its a shame because if trump and others hadnt politicized the epidemic for their own ends then globally we could have stamped out this disease the way they have in some countries and it would have been one hell of an impressive feat for humanity

but here we are

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Zareth posted...

No, they'll insure that mail-in ballots are abolished and force everyone to go to polling places, and put in bullshit regulations that make social distancing at them impossible, so all sensible people are forced to stay home.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/delusion

Mead posted...

Trump-like authoritarian leaders

I dont think you know what authoritarian means. Authoritarian leaders are the ones telling everyone to stay at home.

MartianManchild posted...

You guys do realize that a majority of these new cases are of the asymptomatic/subclinical type do to the increases in testing right? People just arent dropping dead in the streets like youre imagining.

you do understand that this entire exercise to is stop the spread of the virus. We all know a lot of people are asymptotic, which makes even more lethal because people think they dont have it. But theyll still go outside and spread it to everyone else who could actually suffer from it

its a matter of being able to control the spread and make sure hospitals can handle the spread. And while hospitals are backed up, people cant get medical help for the other things they otherwise would have gotten.

its about stopping the rapid spread of it; its not about how deadly it is. And its clearly spreading worse than ever.

and weve literally handled it worst than any other nation on the planet

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MartianManchild posted...

I dont think you know what authoritarian means. Authoritarian leaders are the ones telling everyone to stay at home.

Sort of like mandatory curfews? Like... exactly? Like, stay at home or get tear gassed by the military?

Oh man. Why am I letting martain get to me. He's not even real.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

There is no point to shutting down unless we do other things in conjunction with shutting down. And seeing how anti-health republicans and conservatives are I don't see that happening so shutting down is pointless

Normally I'd agree buuuut it isn't the reds holding hands in the streets singing kumbaya right now lol.

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InfernalFive posted...

Normally I'd agree buuuut it isn't the reds holding hands in the streets singing kumbaya right now lol.

There is no point for them to stay in since nothing was/is being done in conjunction with the lock down. lol

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St_Kevin posted...

Your Covid cases are going up again

what's your source for this? using John Hopkins data system (though none of this takes into account population density or percapita):

many states have basically recovered and are stable at low numbers
New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan, Connecticut

some states have never peaked and are just still increasing or just starting to increase
California, Arizona, Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi

some have peaked and are slowly descending
Iowa, Minnesota, Colorado, Wisconsin

some have very little change over time
Indiana, Ohio, Georgia

very few that I've seen have actually had a downward trend that reversed. even when I can sort of see that, it's only slight
Florida, maybe Louisiana, definitely Washington

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

You are excused from speaking to me

Yeah people usually resort to childish responses like this when their point gets obliterated.

Sahuagin posted...

some states have never peaked and are just still increasing or just starting to increase
California, Arizona, Texas, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/503199-florida-texas-and-arizona-set-records-for-daily-covid-19-cases?amp

numbers really dont mean a whole lot though since a lot of states refuse to report actual numbers. Texas only just started reporting numbers the past couple weeks, and Im guessing its because things are really piling up

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BeerOnTap posted...

Yeah people usually resort to childish responses like this when their point gets obliterated.

Fine. You're un-excused

BeerOnTap posted...

Excuse me but who is it out in the streets packed shoulder to shoulder shouting with no masks on? This doesnt need to be a partisan issue. Americans, regardless of where they fall politically, value their individual freedoms. It is up to the individual to keep themselves safe from covid. Government cannot magically absolve all risk.

Lock down at this time is pointless because no other measures are being taken in conjunction with the lock down. So simply being in lock down isn't accomplishing anything. I actually said this in my first post.

The previous wave of protests right before this current wave was specifically against the lock down which was done by conservatives. But somehow they get a pass for opposing the lock down for the sake of opposing the lockdwn but people protesting police brutality are 100% responsible for any spread of corona virus.

Government has a responsibility for the general well being of the citizens. It's what the government is for. I never said they could magically absolve risk but the federal government could take some action. But instead they did worst than nothing. They have been undermining efforts of state governments like down playing severity, confiscating supplies from states, and withholding supplies from states.

Please excuse yourself next time

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Blame the ignorant Republicans and the ignorant President, it's happening in their states and it's going to fuck up the entire country again.\

BeerOnTap posted...

Excuse me but who is it out in the streets packed shoulder to shoulder shouting with no masks on? This doesnt need to be a partisan issue. Americans, regardless of where they fall politically, value their individual freedoms. It is up to the individual to keep themselves safe from covid. Government cannot magically absolve all risk.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boston/comments/hb002v/14_out_of_1288_positive_for_coronavirus_at/
Read the top comment in this thread.

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Mexico has put a halt on illegal emmigration due to America's poor covid record...

that's right, they finally feel safer IN Mexico

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Jen0125 posted...

Yes, likely.

I sure hope not. Ill most likely be working either way (though possibly a reduced schedule, which is fine since Ill still make the same amount). But Im worried that my roommate may not have enough...

Yellow posted...

Like, stay at home or get tear gassed by the military?

I dont wanna tear gas anybody. But if I have to be the tear gasser, that probably means I wont have to follow the curfew because I have to enforce it. Curfews suck, anyway...
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USA never fully shut down in the first place

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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78779206, 940813693, 'cc9ff60f');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78779206/940813693">St_Kevin posted... </a>

Your Covid cases are going up again

The benchmark was never "no new COVID cases," but getting them down to a manageable level where they could handled. More importantly, the idiotic shutdown probably made things far worse than it otherwise would have been.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78779206, 940813805, 'cc9ff60f');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78779206/940813805">JOExHIGASHI posted... </a>

There is no point to shutting down unless we do other things in conjunction with shutting down. And seeing how anti-health republicans and conservatives are I don't see that happening so shutting down is pointless

lolwut? And what things could have been done? The answer is absolutely fucking nothing. Quarantine is the strictest possible step short of a full lockdown, which would be infeasible.

And if the threat were actually serious, why would the government let people march side by side in the streets? The protests have demonstrated that the shutdowns were a politically motivated farce. Clearly we could have done other things instead of shutting down.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78779206, 940820206, 'cc9ff60f');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78779206/940820206">EvilMegas posted... </a>

States are literally lying about the amount of COVID cases they have to stay open.

Considering that the lies have involved overstating COVID numbers, I find that conclusion improbable. This includes states that attributed deaths to COVID without actually testing for COVID

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2020/04/14/death-toll-soars-after-nyc-counts-probable-fatalities/

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78779206, 940837865, 'cc9ff60f');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78779206/940837865">JOExHIGASHI posted... </a>

Lock down at this time is pointless because no other measures are being taken in conjunction with the lock down. So simply being in lock down isn't accomplishing anything. I actually said this in my first post.

Okay, what do you expect should be done? Because you keep parroting this dumbshit claim without providing a single example. And a lot of it seems to be built around your fundamental misunderstanding of the point of a lockdown. A lockdown BY ITSELF is designed to limit the spread of an infectious disease and make it easier to treat patients. The only thing they kinda didn't do with the lockdown was lock down everything, since leaving parks open and not enforcing curfews means that you're limiting the spread in one big way but still allowing it in other ways.

<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(3, 78779206, 940821214, 'cc9ff60f');" href="/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78779206/940821214">Mead posted... </a>

Trump-like authoritarian leaders

Cue laugh track


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Enough covid bull shit.

It's hell, literally hell. We did 287% of our budget today, we have been PACKED since the covid nonsense started. We are getting a ton of applications but can't hire anyone. They are doing the bare minimum they have to in order to stay on unemployement, why accept a part time job making less than half of what you can sitting on your ass pulling the $600 a week republicans decided to hand out. WTF are republicans even doing why aren't they fighting this shit?

I'm just so fed up hearing people talk about this like it's a big deal. There has been an absolutely massive overreaction to covid. No shut downs I don't want to hear it anymore.

BlackScythe0 posted...

why accept a part time job making less than half of what you can sitting on your ass pulling the $600

My sister is actually looking for a job and has been since she got better. (Lung infection, you can imagine how hireable she was beforehand coughing and all.)

But it was hard enough to find jobs where we are before all this.

As I've said before, you'd be surprised how many people actually want to work, people just tend to not want to be treated like shit for shit wages.

Fuck, half the time I wish I could. The other half I'm too depressed to give a shit about pretty much anything.

RCtheWSBC posted...

USA never fully shut down in the first place

this

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I heard my county (not in the top 10 for rising covid numbers) just made masks mandatory

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I just heard my county (not in the list of counties with the largest increase in numbers) are going to announce on Friday that masks will be mandatory starting next Monday

Surprisingly, LA and SF aren't to blame (thanks a lot Fresno & Stockton)

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Impossible!

Riots cure coronavirus!

JixHedgehog posted...

I just heard my county (not in the list of counties with the largest increase in numbers) are going to announce on Friday that masks will be mandatory starting next Monday

Oh. That sucks. I remember when I heard they did that in San Antonio. I'm glad it's not like that where I am...
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America needs to reopen, their manufacturing plants.

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BeerOnTap posted...

Government cannot magically absolve all risk.

"The Government" absolutely could choose not to hold political rallies for incumbents, eliminating events that encourages people to gather together.

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Clench281 posted...

"The Government" absolutely could choose not to hold political rallies for incumbents, eliminating events that encourages people to gather together.

Doesn't that only eliminate some events, but not all. I mean, I sure people will still gather for other things. So, I do think they are right to say the government can't absolve all risk, I would think...
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LinkPizza posted...

Doesn't that only eliminate some events, but not all. I mean, I sure people will still gather for other things. So, I do think they are right to say the government can't absolve all risk, I would think...

Of course. The point is that the government can take efforts to mitigate risk. Perhaps more obviously, the government should prevent itself from encouraging or endorsing large gatherings.

Consider the analogy for tanning increasing one's risk for skin cancer. The government doesn't forbid people from going tanning. Instead the government should educate people about the risk associated with tanning, and encourage people to minimize exposure to UV rays, to use sunscreen, etc. This is not encouraging people to tan; it's giving people information for how to reduce risk, because some people are going to do the risky behavior anyway.

When someone says Trump holding a political rally is the same as individuals choosing to protest... That would be like not making a distinction between Trump encouraging people to join him for a tanning booth party vs people making individual choices to go tanning.

One is a position of authority organizing a risky event and encouraging risky behavior.

The other is individuals making choices for themselves, with authority providing guidance on how to mitigate risk.


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kind9 posted...

I wouldn't expect any sort of large scale cooperation while the orange man is in office. He instills no confidence in people, and instead of trying to unite the country he's been trying his best to do the opposite.

hell Arv has no confidence either


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Its already happening.

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