Current Events > Baseball writer hears at least 6, could be 8+, MLB owners don't want a season

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https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1272930328668241921?s=20

"But it's the players fault MLB won't return!"
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The only thing MLB owners seem to hate more than baseball is paying people to play it.
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If the season is torpedoed, hopefully the owners are identified so the fans can rightfully assert their displeasure at them.

Either that or it will be directed at MLB in its entirety, harming baseball even more than that strike in the 90s.

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At this point it's 100% the owners' fault if there is no season because they have the ability to implement a season.

But lmao at people who act like this is a normal ownership vs. labor battle. I doubt many of them are even sports fans.

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Didn't they already have a set pro-rated salary that was agreed upon, but then the players wanted more? I thought that's what I heard on ESPN but I'm not sure.

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ThePrinceFish posted...

If the season is torpedoed, hopefully the owners are identified so the fans can rightfully assert their displeasure at them.

Either that or it will be directed at MLB in its entirety, harming baseball even more than that strike in the 90s.

idk, I think the damage is done.

The players took a very, very hardline stance on being paid pro-rated salaries and the owners basically told them to fuck off. iirc, the players second proposal was like 600m less than their first and the owners was like 200m more, with contingencies surrounding being able to play the playoffs to get extra pay. There's obviously one side trying to make it work and one side just stalling.

I definitely think there's going to be a bloody strike/lockout after the 2021 season (when the current CBA expires) that will lead to baseball likely not being played in 2022. Sad considering it's easily my favorite sport and who knows if my team will ever do good again. It's only been 18 years, going on 19 of not making the playoffs.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Sad considering it's easily my favorite sport and who knows if my team will ever do good again. It's only been 18 years, going on 19 of not making the playoffs.

Ah a fellow Mariners fan! I do miss going to the ballpark this year, even if the team is God awful lol

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Fuck that, Mike Trout only has so many years to play baseball and we need to see it.

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Didn't they already have a set pro-rated salary that was agreed upon, but then the players wanted more? I thought that's what I heard on ESPN but I'm not sure.

The owners/players had an agreement in March that was for pro-rated salaries and the commissioner can set a schedule if the players/owners can't agree to a number of games. MLB has held the position that this only is in effect though if fans can attend the games in some capacity and it looks like there's no way that's going to happen this year. Owners continually tried to low-ball the players (I only remember the first proposal, but it was 50% of their pro-rated salary and it'd move up to 75% if there were playoffs. Think the second proposal got up to ~85% of their pro-rated salary if there were playoffs) and the players balked each time. After the last proposal, the players basically invoked that agreement and told MLB to tell them when to report and how many games to play.
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Capitalism is destroying my favorite sport in front of my eyes
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Antifar posted...

The only thing MLB owners seem to hate more than baseball is paying people to play it.

yep these guys wont open the books to show players all this supposed money they are losing then the players get a few paper documents redacted to hell they act like they are a top secret gov agency

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Ah a fellow Mariners fan! I do miss going to the ballpark this year, even if the team is God awful lol

I usually try to make at least one game a year considering I'm on the east side of the state now. My 7-10 hours used to always be glued to Root Sports during baseball season and now idk how to spend my nights. Especially since the kids were supposed to be starting to come up this year :(

ThePrinceFish posted...

Fuck that, Mike Trout only has so many years to play baseball and we need to see it.

As a Mariners fan, I'm very conflicted. Mike Trout is arguably the best player to ever live and it's great to be able to say "yeah, I watched him play as it happened" but on the other hand, Fuck Mike Trout.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Fuck Mike Trout.

as a fan of baseball i know u dont really mean that

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Barry Bonds is the best player to ever live.

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oh now i want mlb to collapse even more now, or at least waste away trout years if possible
fuck trout

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

oh now i want mlb to collapse even more now, or at least waste away trout years if possible
fuck trout

delete this post omg

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

oh now i want mlb to collapse even more now, or at least waste away trout years if possible
fuck trout

The worst of all possible takes
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

fuck trout

MODS LOOK WHAT HE SAID ABOUT ME

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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

fuck trout

Now this guy knows what he's posting.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Barry Bonds is the best player to ever live.

I mean, skinny Barry Bonds was a beast. Too bad he had to "get fat somehow and totally not by steroids or HGH." Also why I said "arguably" considering how crazy Bonds' stats can get, even with his steroid allegations.
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https://twitter.com/psaundersdp/status/1272672563756318721?s=20

Poor Marlins, but it's too true.
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Question for everyone:

Say Mike Trout played for your team. Would you prefer he tested the open market and took the best offer he received or that he take a paycut (or take an opportunity cost) to remain playing for your favorite team?

Because even though he still got a shitton of money, he did the latter. This isn't as simple as picking the side of the owners or the players, fans have their own side in this.

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I hope those owners get revealed and called out. They'd rather destroy the league than actually pay the players, AKA the reason why they're making that money in the first place, what they're properly owed.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://twitter.com/psaundersdp/status/1272672563756318721?s=20

Poor Marlins, but it's too true.

cuz these teams make billions yearly and they never open the books for anyone to see

Damn_Underscore posted...

Question for everyone:

Say Mike Trout played for your team. Would you prefer he tested the open market and took the best offer he received or that he take a paycut (or take an opportunity cost) to remain playing for your favorite team?

Because even though he still got a shitton of money, he did the latter. This isn't as simple as picking the side of the owners or the players, fans have their own side in this.

Mike Trout does play for my team and what he did kicks ass

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I think it is time to scuttle the MLB.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://twitter.com/psaundersdp/status/1272672563756318721?s=20

Poor Marlins, but it's too true.

As a lifelong Marlins fan, fuck the Marlins. I cheer for them because they were my childhood team, but their owners have been cheap pieces of shit for the franchise's entire existence. They conned the taxpayers into building them a big, expensive stadium and then tore apart the team to field a cheap AAA roster with a payroll that's a fraction of other teams.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Question for everyone:

Say Mike Trout played for your team. Would you prefer he tested the open market and took the best offer he received or that he take a paycut (or take an opportunity cost) to remain playing for your favorite team?

Because even though he still got a shitton of money, he did the latter. This isn't as simple as picking the side of the owners or the players, fans have their own side in this.

No team would pay Trout what he's legitimately worth every year. He's legitimately worth like $60m+/year if they paid what 1 WAR is roughly worth.

But if he somehow was playing for the Mariners, I'd want him to stay with us. Just wouldn't want him to stay in the AL if he left.

CADE FOSTER posted...

cuz these teams make billions yearly and they never open the books for anyone to see

And just signed a billion dollar contract for playoff games too. Know that doesn't start this year iirc, but still. Really bad optics to have that come out after complaining about how they don't have money.
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GallisOTK posted...

As a lifelong Marlins fan, fuck the Marlins. I cheer for them because they were my childhood team, but their owners have been cheap pieces of shit for the franchise's entire existence. They conned the taxpayers into building them a big, expensive stadium and then tore apart the team to field a cheap AAA roster with a payroll that's a fraction of other teams.

That's Jeffrey Loria for you! Sorry that you guys had a legitimate scumbag be your owner for most of it's existence. While Jeter might not have the most money, I'd assume you guys are in somewhat good hands now. Just sucks to have to wait it out to see if your team can field a competitive team. At least you guys have 2 World Series rings in the past 25 years, so can't be too sad for you guys.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

While Jeter might not have the most money, I'd assume you guys are in somewhat good hands now.

When Jeter took over, they had Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcel Ozuna, and JT Realmuto, and he traded all of them away. They even had Yelich cheap for two more years and still got rid of him. So no, definitely not in better hands.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

At least you guys have 2 World Series rings in the past 25 years, so can't be too sad for you guys.

Those were basically the only years where they actually spent some money on free agents. The only other one was the year they opened their new stadium as a facade to trick the fans into thinking things would change, and they still had a firesale and shipped them all away the next year.
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GallisOTK posted...

As a lifelong Marlins fan, fuck the Marlins.

I'm sure the other 9 lifelong Marlins fans in existence agree with that sentiment.
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GallisOTK posted...

When Jeter took over, they had Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcel Ozuna, and JT Realmuto, and he traded all of them away. They even had Yelich cheap for two more years and still got rid of him. So no, definitely not in better hands.

Those were basically the only years where they actually spent some money on free agents. The only other one was the year they opened their new stadium as a facade to trick the fans into thinking things would change, and they still had a firesale and shipped them all away the next year.

all those trades they made did any of those prospect pan out at all?

CADE FOSTER posted...

all those trades they made did any of those prospect pan out at all?

Does it even matter? Even if they do, the Marlins will just trade them too.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25557502/jt-realmuto-trade-continues-stunningly-sad-marlins-tradition

Of the Marlins' all-time top 25 players by WAR, 23 have now been traded away, rather than held onto until they reached free agency. The other two truly are the exceptions that prove the rule: A.J. Burnett and the Marlins hated each other by the end, but Burnett made it to free agency because the "much-discussed" deal to send him to Baltimore "hit a snag" when the Marlins kept trying to throw more of their players into the swap. The other, Jose Fernandez, died in a boat crash before reaching free agency. The Marlins had tried to trade him too, according to former team president David Samson; it was the other team, Samson claimed recently, that stopped the deal.

The Marlins have literally never had a single good player that they didn't try their hardest to trade away before they had to pay up in free agency. They are the perfect encapsulation of how little the owners actually care about the teams they own compared to how much they care about their own wallets.
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GallisOTK posted...

When Jeter took over, they had Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcel Ozuna, and JT Realmuto, and he traded all of them away. They even had Yelich cheap for two more years and still got rid of him. So no, definitely not in better hands.

I mean Jeter also didnt have the money to be buying teams.

But Im talking more about player development and building the team. Trust me, it sucks to see good players get wasted on your team and theyre eventually traded/leave. Im a Mariners fan. I know how it feels to have no hope in your future because the leaders suck. But I feel good with Stanton (and co) owning the team and feel Dipo knows what hes doing in building the farm and whatnot.

Loria just saw the Marlins as a way to make money so its good that he sold. Sucks that Jeter was forced to trade anyone who made any semblance of money, but hopefully they know what theyre doing in building the farm and the culture.
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I still think the astros are behind all of this

GallisOTK posted...

As a lifelong Marlins fan, fuck the Marlins. I cheer for them because they were my childhood team, but their owners have been cheap pieces of shit for the franchise's entire existence. They conned the taxpayers into building them a big, expensive stadium and then tore apart the team to field a cheap AAA roster with a payroll that's a fraction of other teams.

I feel for you Gallis, the Marlins ownership has been some of the biggest scumbags in sports history. I was really fond of the team that won that first World Series, and to see the entire team fall apart immediately afterward was sickening.

GallisOTK posted...

I hope those owners get revealed and called out. They'd rather destroy the league than actually pay the players, AKA the reason why they're making that money in the first place, what they're properly owed.

It should be pretty easy to figure out-- the cheap teams that make a lot of their money from revenue sharing are the obvious suspects.

Guerrilla Soldier posted...

oh now i want mlb to collapse even more now, or at least waste away trout years if possible
fuck trout

Delete this user

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The owners and the players are being complete assholes about this
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I heard this stupid reason that MLB players "are so far apart"

I was like... are you freaking stupid. On the field they are far apart, in the dugout, lockerrooms, airplanes THEY ARE NOT far apart. People are freaking stupid like hell.

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LOL that's wild about the Marlins. Even NFL owners, garbage though they are, aren't that transparent.
Like, even the damned Bengals are trying to win and have always been, it's just Mike Brown is really dumb and really cheap.

voldothegr8 posted...

The owners are being complete assholes about this

ftfy

Imagine siding with the players here.

In a normal season owners make X amount of revenue and pay players Y amount per game.

In this season owners are going to get a fraction of X and yet players want all of Y... how is that remotely fair? Owners have everything to lose and nothing to gain

cardoor123 posted...

Imagine siding with the players here.

In a normal season owners make X amount of revenue and pay players Y amount per game.

In this season owners are going to get a fraction of X and yet players want all of Y... how is that remotely fair? Owners have everything to lose and nothing to gain

lol you drank the koolaid good one

Time to play ball.

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cardoor123 posted...

Imagine siding with the players here.

In a normal season owners make X amount of revenue and pay players Y amount per game.

In this season owners are going to get a fraction of X and yet players want all of Y... how is that remotely fair? Owners have everything to lose and nothing to gain

The players already agreed to take a lot less money. Then the owners figured they could stick it to the players even more because the most incredibly stupid subsection of fans will always blame the players instead of the owners.

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Bandit_Keith posted...

The players already agreed to take a lot less money. Then the owners figured they could stick it to the players even more because the most incredibly stupid subsection of fans will always blame the players instead of the owners.

thats why the owners made this shit public even tho its supposed to be behind closed doors always have those people that side with billionaires

https://twitter.com/broshuis/status/1273219009132089344?s=21

Some teams are trying to get newly signed/drafted players to sign for next year and not this year, essentially giving the teams an extra year of control at a cheap cost.

But guys, the owners aren't the bad guys!!!!
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fucking owners being assholes the draft should have been cancelled

Idk why anyone would expect Manfred to do anything, guy only has a job if the owners want him to so ultimately he serves them.

The real fucked thing is that there's owners who would rather completely destroy MLB than continue to make billions off it for years.
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It's amazing that the Astros are going to escape their tour as League Villains because of this.

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legendary_zell posted...

It's amazing that the Astros are going to escape their tour as League Villains because of this.

Probably the worst thing COVID has done to sports.
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