Current Events > Baseball writer hears at least 6, could be 8+, MLB owners don't want a season

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I think there is a difference between playing 60 games and only getting paid for 45 (75%) and playing 60 games and getting paid for 60.

The endgame of this is MLB just implementing a season that will supposedly have 50 games, with no other changes I'm assuming. Honestly as someone who doesn't want the DH in both leagues or ads on uniforms, that may be better than the 60 game proposal. But I'll take those things if we can get an agreement between the owners and the players. The worst thing would be a future lockout or strike.

Just from reading twitter comments, I think players have lost the goodwill they had from fans over the last week. After Manfred's flip-flop on there being 100% chance of a season, things looked really bad and I think fans were on the players' side for the most part. But as I said, the #whenandwhere thing has backfired on the players as of right now.

That being said, if MLB doesn't implement a season if there is no agreement, then I'll go right back to blaming the owners. At that point it's probably the most correct to blame everyone involved.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

At that point it's probably the most correct to blame everyone involved.

nope, it's most correct to blame the people who don't want to support their claim by opening their books to the MLBPA and want less baseball, then group saying, "yes pay us prorated and let's play a half season starting in july with no fans" for the last 2 months.. Or keep lapping up what espn is force feeding you, since thinking makes your head hurt.

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SevenTenths posted...

so you did as bad at math as you did at reading.

You are so intent on being uncivil.

I was specifically talking about the difference in games played/salary paid. If players played 81 games, they would get half of their salaries. If they played 54 games, they would get one third of their salaries. In fact they would be getting about 37% of their salaries, while they are asking for about 43% of their salaries.

Let's look at actual numbers though.

If a player makes $563,500 (MLB minimum salary) in a season, that is about $3478 per game per season. If the season is 70 games, that player makes $243,460. If the season is 60 games, that player makes $208,680.

Just looking at those numbers I as a layperson don't see much of a difference between $208k and $243k. And this is for the league minimum salary. I just don't understand the "solidarity for the workers" mentality in this situation when the players are being paid this much to play a game. If the players make as much as they can then good for them, but I want what's best for me as a fan.

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SevenTenths posted...

nope, it's most correct to blame the people who don't want to support their claim by opening their books to the MLBPA and want less baseball, then group saying, "yes pay us prorated and let's play a half season starting in july with no fans" for the last 2 months.. Or keep lapping up what espn is force feeding you, since thinking makes your head hurt.

Are you saying that the players should be being paid more than pro-rated salaries? This is why I said before that there is a reason why no one is asking for a full 162-game salary.

Why should players make more than a pro-rated salary?

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Uh... is this good news or bad news?

https://twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1273740797343600640

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Damn_Underscore posted...

If a player makes $563,500 (MLB minimum salary) in a season,

Damn_Underscore posted...

This is not an equivalent comparison. Baseball players make millions.

Damn_Underscore posted...

Are you saying that the players should be being paid more than pro-rated salaries?

Drugs are bads kids, this is why you don't do them you start hallucinating.

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First quote: Example using MLB minimum salary, which was worth doing because someone said that most MLB players don't make millions, which I guess is true.

Second quote: As I was saying, the median salary is around $1.5 million. So it is accurate to say that most baseball players don't make millions, although this is fully a matter of semantics. Most MLB players make more than $1 million per season.

Third quote: You didn't answer my question. Various posts of yours have implied that players should make more than pro-rated salaries.

Please stop being disingenuous.

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Manfred immediately declined the players proposal.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Manfred immediately declined the players proposal.

Manfred is a sonuvabitch

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ThePrinceFish posted...

Manfred is a sonuvabitch

From what Ive read, theres a small amount of owners that are taking a hardline stance and could be bugging up the discussions.

23 owners need to approve the proposal, so if the reports that theres 8 owners who dont want a season, were fucked. Everyone is guessing the As/Rays/Pirates/Angels owners are part of the asshat coalition so its just a matter of who are the other ones.
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Astros, probably. the longer this break goes, the more people will forget their scandal. Otherwise, it's likely the teams with the worst TV deals.

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Apparently there will be a "moment" tomorrow

https://twitter.com/jposnanski/status/1273810040634462208

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well, that's not ominous or anything.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

Various posts of yours have implied that players should make more than pro-rated salaries.

not a single one has even remotely.

Now keep contradicting yourself so you can pray the owners might toss you a penny. But if you've been paying attention, they don't share their pennies and they're happy to have you freely being their lapdog.
Damn_Underscore posted...

Please stop being disingenuous.

Damn_Underscore posted...

If a player makes $563,500 (MLB minimum salary) in a season,

Damn_Underscore posted...

This is not an equivalent comparison. Baseball players make millions.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

From what Ive read, theres a small amount of owners that are taking a hardline stance and could be bugging up the discussions.

out them and sterling them. There's no shortage of billionaires who want to own a team. Owners holding the game hostage are bad for the game, bad for the other owners, and bad for the sports future.

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It's getting very tiring responding to you.

this is the owners crying woe is me without opening up any of their financials to support their statements.

nope, it's most correct to blame the people who don't want to support their claim by opening their books to the MLBPA and want less baseball, then group saying, "yes pay us prorated

would you feel you were being paid fairly if your boss told you they were cutting back to 2 days a week, but he'd pay you the same hourly rate?

The difference between earning 1/3 of your salary like the owners want to pay and 1/2 of your salary like the players want, isn't some inconsequential difference.

(the above one isn't even true BTW but I thought I should include it)

*Responding to my post "The point is that pro-rated salary is fair." with a previous post of yours, clearly implying that a pro-rated salary is not fair (post #85)*

Keeping in mind that the owners just offered the players full pro-rated salaries for 60 games.

Yes, you have implied that a pro-rated salary isn't fair, even remotely.

Meanwhile you've been insulting me in just about every post along the way. I'm done talking to you, I benefit myself in no way doing so.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

clearly implying that a pro-rated salary is not fair (post #85)*

SevenTenths posted...

Drugs are bads kids, this is why you don't do them you start hallucinating.

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So apparently that last tweet was fake news, I guess

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1274130076595085317

Basically the players will vote if they'll accept the last offer from MLB or not. And if not, then the owners can implement a season if they want to.

So it looks good for a season happening, maybe?

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except heyman talks out of his ass almost as often as you.

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https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/1274127983813459968

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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1274459737539530752

Players' vote got delayed, we'll have to wait a few more days unfortunately.

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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1274718427693715456

Players voting today now. Probably a no, but there's a chance...

I hate the argument that 50 or 60 games is too short or isn't a meaningful season. Yes, an MLB season is normally 162 games. But no other sport plays even close to that. The games will just have more meaning now, and not so much meaning that it's unacceptable.

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