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UnlikedMonkey 06/11/20 11:31:49 AM #1:	Were the cops in the wrong here? Yes, they should have jumped in to save him No, they shouldn't risk their own life to save the drowning man Were the cops in the wrong here? - Results (22 votes) Yes, they should have jumped in to save him 50% (11 votes) 11 No, they shouldn't risk their own life to save the drowning man 50% (11 votes) 11 The family of a 24-year-old who drowned while police looked on, instead of coming to his aid, are outraged after seeing the events unfold on body camera video. Officers with the police department in Decherd, Tennessee, right outside of Winchester, were in a car pursuit in the early morning hours of June 4, trying to pull over Johnny Baldwin for a minor traffic violation, Winchester Police Chief Richard Lewis told ABC News on Wednesday. As Baldwin drove down a dead end, Winchester police joined Decherd officers in the pursuit at 1:43 a.m., according to a Winchester Police incident report. *Baldwin then fled on foot, and as the Winchester officers searched the area, they heard something in the water nearby,* the report said. *Officers reached the edge of Tims Ford Lake and saw Baldwin halfway across, the report said.* *"I gave him orders to stop and swim back towards us, which he did," an officer said in the report.* *Baldwin was about 10 feet from the lake's bank when "he stopped coming closer and just floated there for a second,"* the officer wrote. Baldwin would "go under water and pop back up several times but would never proceed to the edge where we could get him." Then he "*went under water one last time and never came back up*," the officer wrote. "He ends up drowning, which is an extremely sad situation," Lewis told ABC News. "We have released our body camera and we have caught absolute hell for it." *The body camera video shows Baldwin swimming and an officer calling him "dumb" for jumping in.* *"Don't go in there with him, he's going to pull you in*," one officer said, according to ABC Nashville affiliate WKRN. *"He's doing it on purpose,"* an officer said. Two Winchester police officers were at the scene at the lake as well as two Decherd police officers, Lewis said. Decherd was the lead agency for the pursuit, Lewis said. Decherd's police chief did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment. The body camera video "sent straight anger through me, because I know what kind of person that he is," Baldwin's cousin, Destiny Baldwin, told ABC News. "They treated him very, very unfairly." *She says she thinks the officers at the scene of his death should be fired, lose their badges and face charges.* "It's a part of your job to protect and serve the community. It just seemed like in that case with JJ that wasn't it. It was more of, 'Do I know this person? Is he armed? He's faking it.' Stuff that a cop on duty shouldn't ask," she said. Baldwin, who went by JJ, "was always there whenever you needed something," she said. "Very happy and outgoing person, and very loving person." *Chief Lewis defended the actions of his two officers at the scene and said they "made the right decision."* *One of those officers could not swim, Lewis told ABC News, and the second officer was taking off his gear to get in, but the first Winchester officer stopped him.* "We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," Lewis said. "You've got to have a flotation device tied off somewhere to the bank where they can rescue you if something happens." *The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said.* Lewis also noted that *it was the middle of the night and pitch-black on the shore of the lake, with the exception of their flashlights.* The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis. *"That's the reason we didn't jump in," Lewis said. "If my officer got in there and got tied up with him [and got pulled under,] it's just a bad situation."* https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-drowns-officers-coming-aid-family-fired/story?id=71172077 --- Matt Murdock of Earth-616, you have the ability to overcome great fear. Welcome to the Gr... F-sharp Bell Corps. - Karrde <cite>UnlikedMonkey posted [p:940497680] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote> Were the cops in the wrong here? Yes, they should have jumped in to save him No, they shouldn't risk their own life to save the drowning man Vote View Results Were the cops in the wrong here? - Results (22 votes) Yes, they should have jumped in to save him 50% (11 votes) 11 No, they shouldn't risk their own life to save the drowning man 50% (11 votes) 11 Show Voting Form The family of a 24-year-old who drowned while police looked on, instead of coming to his aid, are outraged after seeing the events unfold on body camera video. Officers with the police department in Decherd, Tennessee, right outside of Winchester, were in a car pursuit in the early morning hours of June 4, trying to pull over Johnny Baldwin for a minor traffic violation, Winchester Police Chief Richard Lewis told ABC News on Wednesday. As Baldwin drove down a dead end, Winchester police joined Decherd officers in the pursuit at 1:43 a.m., according to a Winchester Police incident report. Baldwin then fled on foot, and as the Winchester officers searched the area, they heard something in the water nearby, the report said. Officers reached the edge of Tims Ford Lake and saw Baldwin halfway across, the report said. "I gave him orders to stop and swim back towards us, which he did," an officer said in the report. Baldwin was about 10 feet from the lake's bank when "he stopped coming closer and just floated there for a second," the officer wrote. Baldwin would "go under water and pop back up several times but would never proceed to the edge where we could get him." Then he "went under water one last time and never came back up," the officer wrote. "He ends up drowning, which is an extremely sad situation," Lewis told ABC News. "We have released our body camera and we have caught absolute hell for it." The body camera video shows Baldwin swimming and an officer calling him "dumb" for jumping in. "Don't go in there with him, he's going to pull you in," one officer said, according to ABC Nashville affiliate WKRN. "He's doing it on purpose," an officer said. Two Winchester police officers were at the scene at the lake as well as two Decherd police officers, Lewis said. Decherd was the lead agency for the pursuit, Lewis said. Decherd's police chief did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment. The body camera video "sent straight anger through me, because I know what kind of person that he is," Baldwin's cousin, Destiny Baldwin, told ABC News. "They treated him very, very unfairly." She says she thinks the officers at the scene of his death should be fired, lose their badges and face charges. "It's a part of your job to protect and serve the community. It just seemed like in that case with JJ that wasn't it. It was more of, 'Do I know this person? Is he armed? He's faking it.' Stuff that a cop on duty shouldn't ask," she said. Baldwin, who went by JJ, "was always there whenever you needed something," she said. "Very happy and outgoing person, and very loving person." Chief Lewis defended the actions of his two officers at the scene and said they "made the right decision." One of those officers could not swim, Lewis told ABC News, and the second officer was taking off his gear to get in, but the first Winchester officer stopped him. "We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," Lewis said. "You've got to have a flotation device tied off somewhere to the bank where they can rescue you if something happens." The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said. Lewis also noted that it was the middle of the night and pitch-black on the shore of the lake, with the exception of their flashlights. The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis. "That's the reason we didn't jump in," Lewis said. "If my officer got in there and got tied up with him [and got pulled under,] it's just a bad situation." https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-drowns-officers-coming-aid-family-fired/story?id=71172077 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 06/11/20 11:32:27 AM #2:	acab --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:940497713] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>acab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:34:34 AM #3:	One of the cops couldn't swim? It should be basic training to learn to swim. Can't swim? You don't deserve to be a cop <cite>Zikten posted [p:940497781] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>One of the cops couldn't swim? It should be basic training to learn to swim. Can't swim? You don't deserve to be a cop</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
alimajor 06/11/20 11:35:08 AM #4:	As someone who can't swim, I don't know what to say. I don't think I would've gone in after him either but I also feel like these guys are full of s* and just didn't give af <cite>alimajor posted [p:940497811] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>As someone who can't swim, I don't know what to say. I don't think I would've gone in after him either but I also feel like these guys are full of s* and just didn't give af </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:36:58 AM #5:	Yeah. Not going in with 30 pounds of gear for someone to freak out and pull you under. Darwinism. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940497886] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. Not going in with 30 pounds of gear for someone to freak out and pull you under. Darwinism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/11/20 11:38:47 AM #6:	Eh... This one isnt that clear cut. They were in a car chase with the guy, and he willingly got out a car and got in water to swim. I would think he knew how to swim. It would depend on how obviously he was drowning tbh. UnlikedMonkey posted... The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis. "That's the reason we didn't jump in," Lewis said. "If my officer got in there and got tied up with him [and got pulled under,] it's just a bad situation." This is a legitimate concern. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940497949] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Eh... This one isnt that clear cut. They were in a car chase with the guy, and he willingly got out a car and got in water to swim. I would think he knew how to swim. It would depend on how obviously he was drowning tbh. UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>The lake is in a wooded, overgrown area, where it's unclear how deep the water is. Officers were also concerned whether Baldwin would engage in a struggle with police considering he had already fled, according to Lewis. "That's the reason we didn't jump in," Lewis said. "If my officer got in there and got tied up with him [and got pulled under,] it's just a bad situation."</quote> This is a legitimate concern. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/11/20 11:39:17 AM #7:	Going in to the water would likely result in disaster, you really can't do shit for someone in the water unless you have a flotation device. Any kind of struggle could result in both drowning. That said, the cop that can't swim absolutely shouldn't be cop wtf --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:940497972] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Going in to the water would likely result in disaster, you really can't do shit for someone in the water unless you have a flotation device. Any kind of struggle could result in both drowning. That said, the cop that can't swim absolutely shouldn't be cop wtf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 06/11/20 11:39:50 AM #8:	Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/FKDXbHs <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:940497993] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 06/11/20 11:40:13 AM #9:	What if there were rip currents they'd just be pulled under with him --- JOBS! Come check out my community board for NEET discussions: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1467-neet-discussions <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:940498007] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>What if there were rip currents they'd just be pulled under with him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Odoylerules 06/11/20 11:40:20 AM #10:	take your gear off and jump in fuck these cops cant do a damn thing right <cite>Odoylerules posted [p:940498009] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>take your gear off and jump in fuck these cops cant do a damn thing right </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/11/20 11:40:29 AM #11:	Jagr_68 posted... acab all cops ain't buoyant. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940498012] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Jagr_68 posted... </cite> <quote>acab</quote>all cops ain't buoyant. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/11/20 11:41:02 AM #12:	UnlikedMonkey posted... "We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," Lewis said. "You've got to have a flotation device tied off somewhere to the bank where they can rescue you if something happens." The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said. Lewis also noted that it was the middle of the night and pitch-black on the shore of the lake, with the exception of their flashlights. Hell, this already makes it a fair, next. Dont run because of a minor traffic violation and then jump in water if you cannot swim well. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940498038] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>"We are not trained in water rescue -- we do not possess the gear to do that," Lewis said. "You've got to have a flotation device tied off somewhere to the bank where they can rescue you if something happens." The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Baldwin drowned, the incident report said. Lewis also noted that it was the middle of the night and pitch-black on the shore of the lake, with the exception of their flashlights.</quote> Hell, this already makes it a fair, next. Dont run because of a minor traffic violation and then jump in water if you cannot swim well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guns_of_Verdun 06/11/20 11:41:42 AM #13:	I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down --- https://imgur.com/VwJsmAR <cite>Guns_of_Verdun posted [p:940498061] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:45:03 AM #14:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down like I said, asking can they even swim is valid because I say being able to swim should be required to be a cop. Can't swim, you fail training and will not graduate and become a cop. Learn to swim or go home <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498232] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted...</cite> <quote>I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down </quote> like I said, asking can they even swim is valid because I say being able to swim should be required to be a cop. Can't swim, you fail training and will not graduate and become a cop. Learn to swim or go home</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/11/20 11:45:27 AM #15:	Honestly, lifeguarding is pretty fucking hard and you're essentially trained professional swimmers with life vests and floatation devices at that point. I'm not going to fault people for not jumping into a lake like that. No one's fault really. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940498254] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, lifeguarding is pretty fucking hard and you're essentially trained professional swimmers with life vests and floatation devices at that point. I'm not going to fault people for not jumping into a lake like that. No one's fault really. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 06/11/20 11:46:31 AM #16:	Guns_of_Verdun posted... I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down If they cant swim holy fuck what a useless bunch of jerkoff cops they got there. One cop not being able to swim I could maybe buy but even thats unlikely. None of them being able to? Total bs. And they can take their equipment off before they go in. Thats not a hard thing to do. As for the uniform who gaf if it gets wet? --- "I got a rolla truc, look" ~ sleaford mods https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:940498294] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Guns_of_Verdun posted... </cite> <quote>I'm against cops having no accountbility but saying cops have to jump into water makes no sense. Putting aside the equipment and uniforms they got on, can they even swim? And if they can, as they say the dude might just drag them down</quote> If they cant swim holy fuck what a useless bunch of jerkoff cops they got there. One cop not being able to swim I could maybe buy but even thats unlikely. None of them being able to? Total bs. And they can take their equipment off before they go in. Thats not a hard thing to do. As for the uniform who gaf if it gets wet? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Houston 06/11/20 11:47:34 AM #17:	It was pitch black dark in the woods with an unfamiliar lake, with one officer being unable to swim. I wouldn't want to go in the water alone to potentially have to wrestle someone in the water. --- "Sometimes you will never know the value of a moment until it becomes a memory." - Dr Seuss <cite>Houston posted [p:940498343] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>It was pitch black dark in the woods with an unfamiliar lake, with one officer being unable to swim. I wouldn't want to go in the water alone to potentially have to wrestle someone in the water. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:48:21 AM #18:	Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim? <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498371] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 06/11/20 11:48:38 AM #19:	Houston posted... It was pitch black dark in the woods with an unfamiliar lake, with one officer being unable to swim. I wouldn't want to go in the water alone to potentially have to wrestle someone in the water. You get out of this thread with that logic and reasoning! No thinkin words around these here parts --- JOBS! Come check out my community board for NEET discussions: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1467-neet-discussions <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:940498384] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Houston posted... </cite> <quote>It was pitch black dark in the woods with an unfamiliar lake, with one officer being unable to swim. I wouldn't want to go in the water alone to potentially have to wrestle someone in the water.</quote>You get out of this thread with that logic and reasoning! No thinkin words around these here parts </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/11/20 11:49:33 AM #20:	CanuckCowboy posted... If they cant swim holy fuck what a useless bunch of jerkoff cops they got there. One cop not being able to swim I could maybe buy but even thats unlikely. None of them being able to? Total bs. And they can take their equipment off before they go in. Thats not a hard thing to do. As for the uniform who gaf if it gets wet? UnlikedMonkey posted... One of those officers could not swim, Lewis told ABC News, and the second officer was taking off his gear to get in, but the first Winchester officer stopped him. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940498423] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>CanuckCowboy posted... </cite> <quote>If they cant swim holy fuck what a useless bunch of jerkoff cops they got there. One cop not being able to swim I could maybe buy but even thats unlikely. None of them being able to? Total bs. And they can take their equipment off before they go in. Thats not a hard thing to do. As for the uniform who gaf if it gets wet?</quote> UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>One of those officers could not swim, Lewis told ABC News, and the second officer was taking off his gear to get in, but the first Winchester officer stopped him.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:49:50 AM #21:	Zikten posted... Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim? Because their job isnt to swim. Why are people ok with cashiers not being able to swim. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498432] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim?</quote>Because their job isnt to swim. Why are people ok with cashiers not being able to swim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisGuyAreSick 06/11/20 11:50:26 AM #22:	Were_Wyrm posted... Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. what the fuck is the point of you people then --- sigless <cite>ThisGuyAreSick posted [p:940498457] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote>Even when I was a lifeguard we were trained to never jump in and save someone in the water. </quote> what the fuck is the point of you people then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:50:38 AM #23:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... Because their job isnt to swim. Why are people ok with cashiers not being able to swim. A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498465] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted...</cite> <quote> Because their job isnt to swim. Why are people ok with cashiers not being able to swim. </quote> A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:51:31 AM #24:	ThisGuyAreSick posted... what the fuck is the point of you people then They have devices to help rescue people. people freak the fuck out when theyre drowning. Its not safe to grab them without safety devices. You can easily drown with them drowning victim. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498502] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ThisGuyAreSick posted... </cite> <quote>what the fuck is the point of you people then</quote> They have devices to help rescue people. people freak the fuck out when theyre drowning. Its not safe to grab them without safety devices. You can easily drown with them drowning victim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:51:56 AM #25:	Zikten posted... A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong No, its not their job to swim. Youre factually wrong. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498525] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong</quote>No, its not their job to swim. Youre factually wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 06/11/20 11:52:56 AM #26:	Zikten posted... A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong No it isnt. UnlikedMonkey posted... The rescue squad and dive team were en route before Those guys are the swimmers. Cops dont pull up to save drowning people. They come with the guys that do if thats what the call is about. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:940498558] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong</quote> No it isnt. UnlikedMonkey posted... </cite> <quote>The rescue squad and dive team were en route before</quote> Those guys are the swimmers. Cops dont pull up to save drowning people. They come with the guys that do if thats what the call is about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 06/11/20 11:52:57 AM #27:	Zikten posted... Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim? I mean thats not something I would really expect cops to be doing a whole lot of unless they live on beach. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:940498559] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Why are so many people ok with any cop not knowing how to swim?</quote>I mean thats not something I would really expect cops to be doing a whole lot of unless they live on beach. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/11/20 11:53:08 AM #28:	Zikten posted... A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong Err, no it's not their job to swim at all. That said swimming is excellent cardio and they probably should swim but there's no reason to train cops to deal with a situation like this that they may experience once every 10 years. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:940498572] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>A cashier doesn't need to know how to swim. A cop does. Yes it is their job to swim. You are wrong</quote> Err, no it's not their job to swim at all. That said swimming is excellent cardio and they probably should swim but there's no reason to train cops to deal with a situation like this that they may experience once every 10 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisGuyAreSick 06/11/20 11:53:31 AM #29:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... No, its not their job to swim. Youre factually wrong. It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie --- sigless <cite>ThisGuyAreSick posted [p:940498591] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted...</cite> <quote> No, its not their job to swim. Youre factually wrong. </quote> It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:54:12 AM #30:	wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ.... <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498614] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:55:43 AM #31:	Zikten posted... wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ.... Again, youre factually wrong. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498683] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ....</quote>Again, youre factually wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/11/20 11:55:52 AM #32:	ThisGuyAreSick posted... It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie How do you protect and serve someone running away from you? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:940498690] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ThisGuyAreSick posted... </cite> <quote>It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie</quote>How do you protect and serve someone running away from you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 11:56:38 AM #33:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... Again, youre factually wrong. i'm not talking to you anymore. you are not using logic and you probably are just trolling. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498712] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted...</cite> <quote> Again, youre factually wrong. </quote> i'm not talking to you anymore. you are not using logic and you probably are just trolling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:56:47 AM #34:	ThisGuyAreSick posted... It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie Its not their job to die for an idiot that ran into water that didnt know how to swim. its not their fault he died. Its his fault he died. place the blame where it lies. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498722] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ThisGuyAreSick posted... </cite> <quote>It's their job to protect and serve they told me but these last few weeks have shown me that was a lie</quote>Its not their job to die for an idiot that ran into water that didnt know how to swim. its not their fault he died. Its his fault he died. place the blame where it lies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 11:57:13 AM #35:	Zikten posted... i'm not talking to you anymore. you are not using logic and you probably are just trolling. You dont have to engage with people who are right. You can go back to your echo chamber. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940498743] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>i'm not talking to you anymore. you are not using logic and you probably are just trolling.</quote>You dont have to engage with people who are right. You can go back to your echo chamber. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IdiotMachine 06/11/20 11:59:00 AM #36:	Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die. --- https://imgur.com/XNEdLrJ <cite>IdiotMachine posted [p:940498836] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarfireX 06/11/20 11:59:54 AM #37:	This is entirely fair. This board is so brainwashed with all the crap going on they're crying wolf at everything. --- Spider-Man 3 was a good movie. <cite>WarfireX posted [p:940498870] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>This is entirely fair. This board is so brainwashed with all the crap going on they're crying wolf at everything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 06/11/20 12:01:07 PM #38:	ThisGuyAreSick posted... what the fuck is the point of you people then Well we had poles and flotation devices to use. But even if we didn't have them if a drowning victim is panicking and flailing about (which is very rare, most just go under and not resurface) the quickest way to end up with two bodies instead of one it to go after them. --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/FKDXbHs <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:940498930] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>ThisGuyAreSick posted... </cite> <quote>what the fuck is the point of you people then</quote>Well we had poles and flotation devices to use. But even if we didn't have them if a drowning victim is panicking and flailing about (which is very rare, most just go under and not resurface) the quickest way to end up with two bodies instead of one it to go after them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 12:01:22 PM #39:	WarfireX posted... This is entirely fair. This board is so brainwashed with all the crap going on they're crying wolf at everything. it may or may not be the man's fault he got into that situation. but I still say cops need to know how to swim. it's insane that any cops are allowed to graduate without learning to swim. it needs to be a legal requirement to graduate from police academy that you can swim <cite>Zikten posted [p:940498940] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>WarfireX posted...</cite> <quote>This is entirely fair. This board is so brainwashed with all the crap going on they're crying wolf at everything. </quote> it may or may not be the man's fault he got into that situation. but I still say cops need to know how to swim. it's insane that any cops are allowed to graduate without learning to swim. it needs to be a legal requirement to graduate from police academy that you can swim</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisGuyAreSick 06/11/20 12:02:54 PM #40:	Questionmarktarius posted... How do you protect and serve someone running away from you? wasn't what I was talking about --- sigless <cite>ThisGuyAreSick posted [p:940499006] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> How do you protect and serve someone running away from you? </quote> wasn't what I was talking about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sabram 06/11/20 12:03:48 PM #41:	Uh, no. Cops arent the ones who do water rescues. They dont carry the kind of equipment for that, and the kind of gear they do carry would inhibit any kind of water rescue. I want to know more about the victim honestly. Not trying to say "hurr durr it's his fault" but in my experience, anyone who can swim halfway across a lake (according to the article) and then back would not normally stop and drown 10 feet from the bank. Something else had to have happened to cause them to drown, even amateur swimmers could have gotten into a floating position and just kicked over the last few feet if they had gotten THAT exhausted. --- Check out my YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/user/SaintSabram Switch Friend Code: SW-1661-1393-5330 PSN: Sabram <cite>Sabram posted [p:940499045] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Uh, no. Cops arent the ones who do water rescues. They dont carry the kind of equipment for that, and the kind of gear they do carry would inhibit any kind of water rescue. I want to know more about the victim honestly. Not trying to say "hurr durr it's his fault" but in my experience, anyone who can swim halfway across a lake (according to the article) and then back would not normally stop and drown 10 feet from the bank. Something else had to have happened to cause them to drown, even amateur swimmers could have gotten into a floating position and just kicked over the last few feet if they had gotten THAT exhausted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IdiotMachine 06/11/20 12:03:56 PM #42:	IdiotMachine posted... Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die. I now have a house that has a pool. I completely forgot about this event in my life until this topic. I'm going to buy a life buoy and put it by the pool, in case someone tries to get into the pool that shouldn't be in the pool, and drowns or some stupid shit happens. --- https://imgur.com/XNEdLrJ <cite>IdiotMachine posted [p:940499050] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>IdiotMachine posted... </cite> <quote>Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die.</quote>I now have a house that has a pool. I completely forgot about this event in my life until this topic. I'm going to buy a life buoy and put it by the pool, in case someone tries to get into the pool that shouldn't be in the pool, and drowns or some stupid shit happens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThisGuyAreSick 06/11/20 12:04:34 PM #43:	DiegoSanchez206 posted... Its not their job to die for an idiot that ran into water that didnt know how to swim. its not their fault he died. Its his fault he died. place the blame where it lies. wasnt what i was talking about --- sigless <cite>ThisGuyAreSick posted [p:940499076] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>DiegoSanchez206 posted...</cite> <quote> Its not their job to die for an idiot that ran into water that didnt know how to swim. its not their fault he died. Its his fault he died. place the blame where it lies. </quote> wasnt what i was talking about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 12:05:25 PM #44:	Sabram posted... Uh, no. Cops arent the ones who do water rescues cops are required to do all kinds of rescues. anyway, people like you are about to be woken up due to the entire way cops operate and how we think of policing is about to change. so whatever. you'll see. lets have this same argument a few years from now. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940499108] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Sabram posted...</cite> <quote>Uh, no. Cops arent the ones who do water rescues</quote> cops are required to do all kinds of rescues. anyway, people like you are about to be woken up due to the entire way cops operate and how we think of policing is about to change. so whatever. you'll see. lets have this same argument a few years from now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simon_Gruber 06/11/20 12:05:58 PM #45:	IdiotMachine posted... Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die. Definitely. There was a Chief's player back in the 80's who drowned saving some little kid. Full grown, young, athletic man got pulled under by a small child. People can have crazy strength in drowning situations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Delaney#Death_and_legacy <cite>Simon_Gruber posted [p:940499134] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>IdiotMachine posted... </cite> <quote>Back in high school, this girl who couldn't swim was in the swimming pool with a pool noodle. The pool wasn't a public one; it was just someone's pool, so no lifeguard or anything like that. She lost her pool noodle and started panicking. I knew how to swim, and was also in the pool; so I started to try to save her. Holy shit. It's no joke. She tried to push me in the water so that she can get up on top; I felt like I was going to drown. Luckily, others were also coming to help, and we all just pushed her to the shallow end, and all was good. But I learned an important lesson there: if you don't know what you're doing (no training), don't try to be a hero; you might die.</quote> Definitely. There was a Chief's player back in the 80's who drowned saving some little kid. Full grown, young, athletic man got pulled under by a small child. People can have crazy strength in drowning situations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Delaney#Death_and_legacy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WarfireX 06/11/20 12:06:05 PM #46:	Zikten posted... it may or may not be the man's fault he got into that situation. but I still say cops need to know how to swim. it's insane that any cops are allowed to graduate without learning to swim. it needs to be a legal requirement to graduate from police academy that you can swim They have 30 lbs of gear on them. Maybe because I've been SCUBA certed I recognize how asinine you're being, but it seems like common sense and you just want to be mad at the cops. I'm a very good swimmer. I'm not helping you with all that gear weighing me down, especially if you were trying to get away from me to begin with and might try drowning me in the process. --- Spider-Man 3 was a good movie. <cite>WarfireX posted [p:940499141] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>it may or may not be the man's fault he got into that situation. but I still say cops need to know how to swim. it's insane that any cops are allowed to graduate without learning to swim. it needs to be a legal requirement to graduate from police academy that you can swim</quote>They have 30 lbs of gear on them. Maybe because I've been SCUBA certed I recognize how asinine you're being, but it seems like common sense and you just want to be mad at the cops. I'm a very good swimmer. I'm not helping you with all that gear weighing me down, especially if you were trying to get away from me to begin with and might try drowning me in the process. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gheb 06/11/20 12:07:03 PM #47:	Zikten posted... wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ.... Here is the thing, even knowing how to swim is a far cry from being trained in water rescue techniques. You send someone who doesn't know proper water rescue techniques in to save a drowning person and you end up with two drowning people. As a general rule you don't even send trained water rescue personnel in after a drowning person unless they have a flotation device as it is too easy for the struggling drowning person to kill even experienced swimmers. So what you are really asking for is that all cops know how to swim, be trained in water rescue, and carry flotation devices on them at all times. That is not realistic in the least for a job that is 99% on land. Also being able to swim be a minimum requirement unfairly discriminates against people who grew up in urban areas or from poor financial backgrounds as these individuals don't have the same access to pools or the time/resources to have swimming lessons. This is a sad situation, but made the correct decision in not going after him. --- S** I have to stop doing that," Gheb said, as he lay back down and died again.* - Forgotten Love The Chiefs won the Super Bowl! <cite>Gheb posted [p:940499181] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>wow so many people don't know what they are talking about. I am sorry but you are all wrong. cops need to know how to swim literally because of situations like what we are talking about right now. fucking hell you guys.....jesus christ....</quote>Here is the thing, even knowing how to swim is a far cry from being trained in water rescue techniques. You send someone who doesn't know proper water rescue techniques in to save a drowning person and you end up with two drowning people. As a general rule you don't even send trained water rescue personnel in after a drowning person unless they have a flotation device as it is too easy for the struggling drowning person to kill even experienced swimmers. So what you are really asking for is that all cops know how to swim, be trained in water rescue, and carry flotation devices on them at all times. That is not realistic in the least for a job that is 99% on land. Also being able to swim be a minimum requirement unfairly discriminates against people who grew up in urban areas or from poor financial backgrounds as these individuals don't have the same access to pools or the time/resources to have swimming lessons. This is a sad situation, but made the correct decision in not going after him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/11/20 12:07:28 PM #48:	you CAN take clothes off you know. I am not being asinine. I am being logical and humane. to me, the people disagreeing with me are making no goddamned sense. <cite>Zikten posted [p:940499200] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>you CAN take clothes off you know. I am not being asinine. I am being logical and humane. to me, the people disagreeing with me are making no goddamned sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 12:07:54 PM #49:	Zikten posted... cops are required to do all kinds of rescues. anyway, people like you are about to be woken up due to the entire way cops operate and how we think of policing is about to change. so whatever. you'll see. lets have this same argument a few years from now. Lmao --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940499219] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>cops are required to do all kinds of rescues. anyway, people like you are about to be woken up due to the entire way cops operate and how we think of policing is about to change. so whatever. you'll see. lets have this same argument a few years from now.</quote>Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 06/11/20 12:08:33 PM #50:	Zikten posted... you CAN take clothes off you know. I am not being asinine. I am being logical and humane. to me, the people disagreeing with me are making no goddamned sense. You have zero life experience. Thats why. You have ZERO clue how dangerous this was. --- https://tinyurl.com/y838ue3p https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:940499245] in Man drowns... [t:78762785]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>you CAN take clothes off you know. I am not being asinine. I am being logical and humane. to me, the people disagreeing with me are making no goddamned sense.</quote>You have zero life experience. Thats why. You have ZERO clue how dangerous this was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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