Current Events > Do you separate the art from the artist?

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Just because you can post 10 new threads a day doesn't mean you have to

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"We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless."

- Oscar Wilde, The Picture of Dorian Gray.

Can you separate the fart from the fartest?

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Hitler had some pretty decent art but let's just say I'd never hang one of his pieces in my house.
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I'll still watch Fat Albert from time to time, or some random Polanski film.

if i find out the artist of something I've already been enjoying is awful, it usually hurts my enjoyment of their art, but not always to the point that I lose interest. Future work is often tainted, though.

if I know an artist is awful beforehand, though, I usually don't bother with their art in the first place.

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Yes, it is incredibly easy for me to do so.

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Often, yeah.

Brand New is still one of my all time favourite bands and I still listen to them regularly, despite Jesse Lacey being a piece of shit.

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You can just do both, y'know. You're allowed to separate art from context; you just can't tell other people to feign ignorance about context when it comes to practical application.

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Im trying to think of an artist I hate that made things I love. I think im pretty lucky in that regard.
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Easily and life is better for it

Sometimes you gotta. Not always, but sometimes.

Or as the old saying goes, Never meet your heroes.
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EffectAndCause posted...

Im trying to think of an artist I hate that made things I love. I think im pretty lucky in that regard.

Do you like Ender's Game?

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Chris Benoit still deserves WWE Hall of Fame spot
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Scorsese2002 posted...

Chris Benoit still deserves WWE Hall of Fame spot

Owen deserves it more, but that's never going to happen either.

EffectAndCause posted...

Im trying to think of an artist I hate that made things I love. I think im pretty lucky in that regard.

Yeah... I'm thinking Vince McMahon now.

No. Why should I? Why would anybody want to? Meaning and beauty can come from the darkest of sources. Ignoring that reality is ignoring the reality of the human condition, and art. I for one prefer not to live under a security blanket.

Usually.
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Scorsese2002 posted...

Chris Benoit still deserves WWE Hall of Fame spot

Nah. By all means, enjoy his matches, but Hall of Fames in anything are not just about the ability in that vocation. If you're a shit person, you can't be in a Hall of Fame. Sorry.

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Most of the time, yes but sometimes there are situations where I cant such as Ian Watkins

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There's plenty of artists and musicians who make great art, but that doesn't make them a person I respect outside of the art.

RoadsterUFO posted...

Ted Nugent is probably racist or at minimum xenophobic and he has made some kickass riffs. Tom Morello is a Commie and he has made some kickass riffs. As long as the lyrical content is not racist, meh, whatever.

...and then there's Gary Glitter.

You have to. Whether you like it or not.

I like R Kelley's music but I don't support the man's life choices.

Same could be said about Bill Cosby, Louis C.K. and a number of other problematic entertainers.


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Usually.

Something today reminded me of a LostProphets song and I had a sudden chill of nostalgia... followed by a sudden chill of disgust. Back in the day, Start Something was my most listened to CD of all time. And, now, I can't listen to any of their songs.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

I like R Kelley's music but I don't support the man's life choices.

Roger Waters is a complete ass, but goddamn can he write an album.

I can't think of a time I haven't

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These poll results make no sense. If a serial rapist, murderer, cannibal made a life affirming, tear jerking love story, you all wouldn't want to know what it is about human nature that could make that possible and see how the movie reflects that?

Benoits situation was a tragedy, he was brain damaged so I dont really think of him as this piece of shit asshole, more like Fuck, if only he got the help he needed.

I dont think Vince McMahon is a bad/evil person, he just makes terrible business decisions.

Louis CK just has a weird fetish and thought they were into it, he didnt actually touch anyone.

Im trying to think of others.

Oh wait, Kevin Spacey, fuck, definitely him.
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I think it's impossible. But, personally, I don't let the artist and their proclivities damn the work of art in question.

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EffectAndCause posted...

I dont think Vince McMahon is a bad/evil person, he just makes terrible business decisions.

Maybe I guess. The guy just needs to accept that his heyday was about thirty years ago, and let Paul run the company.

Typically. I am usually unaware of (and uninterested in) the personal details of any artist. Sometimes their personal lives can add extra context to a body of work though.

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Jabodie posted...

Sometimes their personal lives can add extra context to a body of work though.

Have you considered Syd Barrett?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Have you considered Syd Barrett?

Tbh I know almost no band members by name, but I'm not a big music guy (never played an actual instrument or really got into any genres aside from rap). It's there something special about his case?

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Frankly I have trouble even recognizing actors most of the time.

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Jabodie posted...

It's there something special about his case?

The guy melted his brain with psychedelics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ai9w8Z1Ls

I loved the Usual Suspects & Singer's X-Men movies, but I doubt I'll ever watch anything of his in the future because I don't want to support a serial sexual predator.

there's levels for me

i recently watched trumbo which has louis ck. i was fine, but he was a supporting character. i probably wouldn't watch a louis ck standup though, since it's all him.

i can watch baby driver, which has kevin spacey, who's got sexual assault stuff. i will not watch the cosby show, or a cosby standup ever again.

then there's the jk rowling thing. she's currently benefiting on all harry potter stuff. she will make money off the upcoming game. i won't buy it. but i bought bloodborne, which is lovecraft inspired. but he's dead and denounced his shit iirc before he died.


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I'd watch Cosby Show if I could see it in the same context again. That was a major part of the few bits of functional family time I had growing up. Now it breaks my heart just to watch.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

The guy melted his brain with psychedelics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ai9w8Z1Ls

I blame Lucifer Sam.

But for real he most likely had some underlying conditions.
That coupled with a Rookie generation dealing with Psychedelics.
We really can't leave out the fact that the boomers, in ways, taught us how, Not, to do it.
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I find it difficult. It is the reason I am no longer able to read Orson Scott Card or watch Polanski films.

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