Poll of the Day > 22 y/o Ohio Girl DIED just 2 days after being TEAR GASSED at BLM Protest!!!

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Full Throttle
06/09/20 12:24:20 AM
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Do you think the use of tear gas on protesters is crossing the line?


22 y/o Sarah Grossman from Springboro, Ohio has died in the wake of allegedly being exposed to TEAR GAS and PEPPER SPRAY while participating in the Protests in Ohio!!

She died on May 30th according to family members after they took her to the hospital and died 2 days after May 28th when she participated in a protest

The day after her death, her father said while at a May 28th protest,she was exposed to tear gas and pepper spray that was discharged by police as part of "crowd control"

The final autopsy results aren't final but a preliminary report said she was taken in at 10pm on May 30th and was found nonresponsive and was in cardiac arrest and died shortly after.

An ER nurse said it was a suspected overdose but her family said she had no history of drug abuse as toxicology results aren't completed yet

Her history shows she had a peanut allergy but there were no signs of lethal trauma on her body

Her employers at Stauf's Coffee Roasters wrote that she was teargassed at a protest and as a tribute to her devotion to the Rainforest Alliance and Black Lives Matter movement, they wrote "As a peaceful protester this weekend,she stood up to end police brutality and was tear gassed as a result. Her death came in the aftermath but her legacy stands even stronger"

On June 3rd, the City of Columbus tweeted they got reports of a young woman passing away because of being tear gassed but they are DENYING that she even PROTESTED as there was no accounts of her being there.

A spokesperson for the family had not lodged any formal complaint yet but the city admits they did use gasses that day.

Her sister, Jessica posted a tribute stating Sarah graduated Ohio State with environmental science and Spanish and planned to move to Guatemala to start a sustainable farm and mentions the exposure of the gas may have been the cause of death

Do you think the use of Tear Gas on protesters is crossing the line?.

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Revelation34
06/09/20 2:33:58 AM
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There's no way she died from that.
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wolfy42
06/09/20 3:30:54 AM
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If someone tear gassed me i'm pretty freaking sure it would kill me. I have a hard time with any gas, perfumes etc, and tear gas would probably be way too much. Should could have been similar.

They will know eventually, but yeah, you shouldn't be tear gassing people randomly it's crazy.

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reason
06/09/20 8:48:16 AM
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Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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streamofthesky
06/09/20 8:55:32 AM
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reason posted...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Engaging in her first amendment right to assembly via peaceful protest is "playing stupid games"?

Fuck off.
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kind9
06/09/20 8:58:11 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Engaging in her first amendment right to assembly via peaceful protest is "playing stupid games"?

Fuck off.
Thank you.

I voted Yes because protest != riot.

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reason
06/09/20 10:08:13 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Engaging in her first amendment right to assembly via peaceful protest is "playing stupid games"?

Fuck off.

No one is stopping ya, kiddo. Go ahead and protest.

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hmnut7
06/09/20 10:08:41 AM
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If you keep attacking the peaceful protests... all that's left are violent ones.

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hmnut7
06/09/20 10:10:56 AM
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reason posted...
No one is stopping ya, kiddo. Go ahead and protest.
The police literally stopped her. And you insulted her. Either you believe police should have the authority to gas people peacefully exercising their 1st amendment rights, or you don't.

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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:02:31 AM
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The use of tear gas in war is illegal under the Geneva Protocol, but hey, the US does whatever it wants.

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Fazeo13
06/09/20 11:04:51 AM
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reason posted...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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LinkPizza
06/09/20 11:08:58 AM
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hmnut7 posted...
If you keep attacking the peaceful protests... all that's left are violent ones.

This! This right here. The thing is, I think thats what they want, tbh...
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ArvTheGreat
06/09/20 11:10:46 AM
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captpackrat posted...
The use of tear gas in war is illegal under the Geneva Protocol, but hey, the US does whatever it wants.
How are there rules in war.

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ArvTheGreat
06/09/20 11:11:23 AM
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Maybe to keep war competitive tear gas might be OP

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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:13:46 AM
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2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile (CS)


The chemical reacts with moisture on the skin and in the eyes, causing a burning sensation and the immediate forceful and uncontrollable shutting of the eyes. Effects usually include tears streaming from the eyes, profuse coughing, exceptional nasal discharge that is full of mucus, burning in the eyes, eyelids, nose and throat areas, disorientation, dizziness and restricted breathing. It will also burn the skin where sweaty or sunburned. In highly concentrated doses, it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting. Most of the immediate effects wear off within an hour (such as exceptional nasal discharge and profuse coughing), although respiratory and oral symptoms may persist for months. Excessive exposure can cause chemical burns resulting in permanent scarring.

Although described as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control, studies have raised doubts about this classification. CS can cause severe pulmonary damage and can also significantly damage the heart and liver.

At least one study has associated CS exposure with miscarriages. This is consistent with its reported clastogenic effect (abnormal chromosome change) on mammalian cells. In Egypt, CS gas was reported to be the cause of death of several protesters in Mohamed Mahmoud Street near Tahrir square during the November 2011 protests. The solvent in which CS is dissolved, methyl isobutyl ketone (MIBK), is classified as harmful by inhalation; irritating to the eyes and respiratory system; and repeated exposure may cause skin dryness or cracking.

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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:16:33 AM
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Phenacyl chloride (CN)


Like CS gas, this compound irritates the mucous membranes (oral, nasal, conjunctival and tracheobronchial). Sometimes it can give rise to more generalized reactions such as syncope, temporary loss of balance and orientation. More rarely, cutaneous irritating outbreaks have been observed and allergic contact permanent dermatitis.

At high concentrations, CN may cause corneal epithelial damage and chemosis. It has also accounted for at least five deaths, which have resulted from pulmonary injury and/or asphyxia.


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adjl
06/09/20 11:21:56 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
There's no way she died from that.

There are ample reports out there of fatalities resulting from tear gas use, and it's really not hard to imagine severe respiratory irritants triggering fatal respiratory distress in people with compromised breathing (e.g. asthma). Duckbear's account of it makes it sound like her death was unrelated, but Duckbear's wording shouldn't be treated as absolute truth in any case.

reason posted...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You really think peacefully protesting deserves to be met with death? Really?

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captpackrat
06/09/20 11:22:32 AM
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Pepper spray (OC)

Pepper spray is an inflammatory agent. It inflames the mucous membranes in the eyes, nose, throat and lungs. It causes immediate closing of the eyes, difficulty breathing, runny nose, and coughing. The duration of its effects depends on the strength of the spray; the average full effect lasts from 20 to 90 minutes, but eye irritation and redness can last for up to 24 hours.

For those with asthma, taking other drugs, or subject to restraining techniques that restrict the breathing passages, there is a risk of death. In 1995, the Los Angeles Times reported at least 61 deaths associated with police use of pepper spray since 1990 in the USA.

The US Army concluded, in a 1993 Aberdeen Proving Ground study, that pepper spray could cause "mutagenic effects, carcinogenic effects, sensitization, cardiovascular and pulmonary toxicity, neurotoxicity, as well as possible human fatalities. There is a risk in using this product on a large and varied population". However, the pepper spray was widely approved in the US despite the reservations of the US military scientists after it passed FBI tests in 1991.

The head of the FBI's Less-Than-Lethal Weapons Program at the time of the 1991 study, Special Agent Thomas W. W. Ward, was fired by the FBI and was sentenced to two months in prison for receiving payments from a peppergas manufacturer while conducting and authoring the FBI study that eventually approved pepper spray for FBI use. Prosecutors said that from December 1989 through 1990, Ward received about $5,000 a month for a total of $57,500, from Luckey Police Products, a Fort Lauderdale, Florida-based company that was a major producer and supplier of pepper spray.

Direct close-range spray can cause more serious eye irritation by attacking the cornea with a concentrated stream of liquid (the so-called "hydraulic needle" effect).

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Nichtcrawler X
06/09/20 11:56:10 AM
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captpackrat posted...
profuse coughing, exceptional nasal discharge that is full of mucus,
it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting.

More ways to spread SARS-CoV2? Who thought that would be a good idea?

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reason
06/09/20 12:07:18 PM
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adjl posted...
There are ample reports out there of fatalities resulting from tear gas use, and it's really not hard to imagine severe respiratory irritants triggering fatal respiratory distress in people with compromised breathing (e.g. asthma). Duckbear's account of it makes it sound like her death was unrelated, but Duckbear's wording shouldn't be treated as absolute truth in any case.

You really think peacefully protesting deserves to be met with death? Really?

I HIGHLY doubt that's what actually killed her. Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you. They were doing something other than just standing and speaking some chant or whatever these people do.

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LinkPizza
06/09/20 12:10:07 PM
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reason posted...
I HIGHLY doubt that's what actually killed her. Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you. They were doing something other than just standing and speaking some chant or whatever these people do.

Possibly. Though, they did arrest that one person from a group of peaceful protestors, didnt they? They were just saying stuff like, Im not your enemy. Youre not my enemy. And stuff like that... But they just took them from the crowd and arrested them. So, I dont really think they care if protestors are peaceful or not, tbqh...

Also, it would also be dumb if they gassed 100% of the protestors because 5% were being shitty...
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Cacciato
06/09/20 12:16:08 PM
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reason posted...
Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you.
Might want to watch the news, big guy.
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EvilMegas
06/09/20 12:16:45 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
There's no way she died from that.
Ah. You're a doctor now?

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reason
06/09/20 12:17:41 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
Possibly. Though, they did arrest that one person from a group of peaceful protestors, didnt they? They were just saying stuff like, Im not your enemy. Youre not my enemy. And stuff like that... But they just took them from the crowd and arrested them. So, I dont really think they care if protestors are peaceful or not, tbqh...

Also, it would also be dumb if they gassed 100% of the protestors because 5% were being shitty...

Definitely. Problem is, these protestors seem to think they can get away with anything in the name of "protesting" and there's definitely a few power hungry cops out there just aching to make an example. Bad for both sides, I suppose.

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streamofthesky
06/09/20 12:18:24 PM
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reason posted...
I HIGHLY doubt that's what actually killed her. Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you. They were doing something other than just standing and speaking some chant or whatever these people do.
There's been multiple videos of police spraying peaceful protestors w/ tear gas or pepper spray as if they were spraying Monsanto chemicals on a field. Like another poster said, look at the news some time.
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Blightzkrieg
06/09/20 12:18:46 PM
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reason posted...
Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you.
Legitimately the dumbest thing I've read all week, and I dont even have Zeus blocked.

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reason
06/09/20 12:19:20 PM
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Cacciato posted...
Might want to watch the news, big guy.

I think that might be part of your problem there, Big Guy.

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papercup
06/09/20 12:19:57 PM
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We can't even use tear gas in war. The fuck are we doing using it on peaceful protesters.

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streamofthesky
06/09/20 12:19:57 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Legitimately the dumbest thing I've read all week, and I dont even have Zeus blocked.
Still not as dumb as him calling protesting, "playing stupid games" and saying she deserved it.
But certainly close!
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LinkPizza
06/09/20 12:22:39 PM
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reason posted...
Definitely. Problem is, these protestors seem to think they can get away with anything in the name of "protesting" and there's definitely a few power hungry cops out there just aching to make an example. Bad for both sides, I suppose.

Sure. But gassing 100% of protestors because of 5% would be like arresting everyone (included innocent bank tellers, and innocent bank-goers) during a bank robbery because they were there at the same time.

Also, theres difference between peaceful protestors, and the violent ones. Or between peaceful protestors and rioters. The actual peaceful protestors arent the ones trying to get away with anything. Those are the people that just want to cause problems.

reason posted...
I think that might be part of your problem there, Big Guy.

You probably should watch the news... Or check a few topics here. If you really think they arent fighting peaceful protestors, then it seems like you dont know whats going on out there...
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EvilMegas
06/09/20 12:33:01 PM
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reason posted...
I HIGHLY doubt that's what actually killed her. Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you. They were doing something other than just standing and speaking some chant or whatever these people do.


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adjl
06/09/20 12:34:14 PM
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reason posted...
I HIGHLY doubt that's what actually killed her.

I don't. Fatalities and serious injuries from non-lethal crowd control methods are far from unheard of, especially when you're dealing with people with preexisting respiratory problems. "Non-lethal" just means they're less likely to kill people than live ammunition would be, not that they're perfectly safe and only cause pain.

Furthermore, your post suggests that you believe there should be a causal link between protesting and being killed. Regardless of whether or not you think this particular person was killed by tear gas, that's the position you are being challenged to defend. I encourage you to stop deflecting and actually mount that defense.

reason posted...
Besides, if you're "peacefully" protesting, they ain't comin in shooting gas at you.

That would be nice, yes. Unfortunately, it's not true. There have been countless videos coming out of these protests of police firing on or otherwise assaulting (including tear gas and pepper spray) people who are not rioting nor looting nor doing anything other than peacefully protesting. Unless you want to suggest that "standing on your own front porch recording a video" is an offense that warrants being shot at (since assaulting people for collecting video evidence or otherwise conducting journalism seems to be a common thread among the police response here).

Then, of course, even if that weren't an objective truth, there's the point to consider that tear gas is not a precision weapon. Even if it were (and it's not) only being fired at rioters and looters, people who are peacefully protesting nearby are going to be affected by it. Your belief that being hit by tear gas is proof that she was doing something wrong is not only baseless, but flagrantly at odds with obvious objective reality.

In short, you have done nothing to demonstrate that your position is not "peacefully protesting means you deserve death." Your options now are as follows:

  • Retract your statement, apologize for making baseless assumptions, and restate your position to clarify that you only refuse to feel sympathetic for people who are killed by police in the process of committing violent crimes while admitting that you have no way of knowing whether or not that applies to this girl
  • Actually defend that position instead of using strawmen to deflect from it and hoping nobody will notice

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reason
06/09/20 12:35:02 PM
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And....You can't walk down the middle of the street just cause you want to?

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EvilMegas
06/09/20 12:36:08 PM
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For a person named "reason" you sure are being pretty ignorant.

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EvilMegas
06/09/20 12:38:34 PM
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Okay, I think were all done here, folks.

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streamofthesky
06/09/20 12:38:38 PM
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EvilMegas posted...
For a person named "reason" you sure are being pretty ignorant.
I think he's just a fan of irony.

You know, like when a really big burly dude is nicknamed, "Tiny"
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adjl
06/09/20 1:20:32 PM
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reason posted...
And....You can't walk down the middle of the street just cause you want to?

Have we upgraded to "jaywalkers deserve death" now?

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Zeus
06/09/20 2:22:36 PM
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Oh, this is that one that happened a while ago. Could have swore Ducky already made a topic about it. At any rate, she was hospitalized TWO DAYS after she was allegedly exposed to teargas. If somebody has an asthmatic attack or similar impact, that's going to happen to pretty quickly. It also mentions she's allergic to peanuts. When a person is exposed to peanuts, they don't take ill two days later either. The family has no clue what actually happened and they're just looking for somebody to blame.

captpackrat posted...
The use of tear gas in war is illegal under the Geneva Protocol, but hey, the US does whatever it wants.

lolwut? Most nations use teargas domestically, so the US is hardly alone. More importantly, teargas is far less harmful than things we use in *actual* warfare, including live rounds. Are you suggesting that you want them to use those things instead of teargas? If so, that's pretty fucked up.

adjl posted...
There are ample reports out there of fatalities resulting from tear gas use, and it's really not hard to imagine severe respiratory irritants triggering fatal respiratory distress in people with compromised breathing (e.g. asthma). Duckbear's account of it makes it sound like her death was unrelated, but Duckbear's wording shouldn't be treated as absolute truth in any case.

While Ducky's writing is terrible, he has the date in there when she was found unresponsive. I doubt even he could mess that up. Everything posted by people supporting the idea notes that the results are immediate, yet she was found unresponsive two days later (and at night, apparently).

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helIy
06/09/20 2:31:38 PM
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what a waste of a good username

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Zeus
06/09/20 2:38:36 PM
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helIy posted...
what a waste of a good username

what a waste of a good post

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Cacciato
06/09/20 5:54:20 PM
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Fuckin good one Zeus. You really showed him
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wolfy42
06/09/20 6:10:50 PM
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THey are certainly using tear gas on peaceful protesters, heck didn't trump have the protesters in front of the white house gassed just so he could do a photo op, with no warning at all?

And if the gas killed her or not, it would almost certainly kill me. What if I actually went out (I'm still staying at home except for shopping) and they protested in front of safeway (Starting after I went in), and when I came out and headed to my car cops gassed the whole area? I mean that is far fetched mind you, but it seems possible the way things are going lately.

I get violently ill if someone uses too much perfume. My body breaks out in hives if I touch oil etc (from a car), and things that most people find pleasant/nice can make me sick. Tear gas? Yeah, that would not be a fun ride for me at all.

I'm not the only person like that, not even close, so ifyou just randomly spray tons of people with it, your at least going to cause some people much more severe reactions, and yeah probably end up killing a few eventually. Doubt HIGHLY that the cause of death would be reported though.

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Revelation34
06/09/20 6:14:23 PM
#44:


captpackrat posted...
The use of tear gas in war is illegal under the Geneva Protocol, but hey, the US does whatever it wants.


https://i.imgur.com/7CqgXGW.png

EvilMegas posted...
Ah. You're a doctor now?


Read the article.
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Nichtcrawler X
06/09/20 6:17:44 PM
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Zeus posted...
When a person is exposed to peanuts, they don't take ill two days later either.

While two days sounds like a very long time, allergy attacks can definitely be slightly delayed instead of immediate.

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