Current Events > Infographic on what "defund the police" means:

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thoughts? also acab

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Too small, rehost it on imgur.

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Sure

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Its too blurry. I cant read any of that >_>

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Lonestar2000 posted...

Too small, rehost it on imgur.

Updated

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That's an intelligent breakdown.

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Hey I like EdoSZ as much as the next guy. It's the Yakuza font, after all.

But an entire presentation in that font is a little much.

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So ... Bernie's platform is what you're looking for?

Then why didn't you guys vote for him?

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Stopped reading at drug use is for self-medication and doesnt do any harm >_>

Bitch, you know how many fucking heroin junkies and PCP maniacs I scoop up everyday!? >_> It's so destructive to people and tears families apart. The wet dudes are usually violent and I've been hurt by them a bunch of times but thankfully the cops intervened when that started to happen.

Sounds like it's written by some hillbilly living in a rural bubble instead of someone who lives in a city and actually sees crime and drugs all the time

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The cause would be so much better if they structured the argument as bring up the other support structures or rebalancing the budget as opposed to bringing cops down.

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NeonOctopus posted...

Stopped reading at drug use is for self-medication and doesnt do any harm >_>

Bitch, you know how many fucking heroin junkies and PCP maniacs I scoop up everyday!? >_> It's so destructive to people and tears families apart. The wet dudes are usually violent and I've been hurt by them a bunch of times but thankfully the cops intervened when that started to happen.

itp someone begins using drugs and immediately goes to violent heroin addict on day 1

ever hear of addiction? its a disease

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Bananana posted...

itp someone begins using drugs and immediately goes to violent heroin addict on day 1

I can tell you literally didnt read anything I wrote lol

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Instead of defunding the police, why dont we strive as a community to stop commiting crimes?

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I don't know what level of propaganda I was expecting, but it immediately lost all credibility after the first panel.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I can tell you literally didnt read anything I wrote lol

You didnt read the infographic: often for drug use can be done with no harm

this is in no way arguing that all drugs are good and that situations like you described dont exist

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Frostshock posted...

I don't know what level of propaganda I was expecting, but it immediately lost all credibility after the first panel.

continue being ignorant. please never have children

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NeonOctopus posted...

Stopped reading at drug use is for self-medication and doesnt do any harm >_>

Bitch, you know how many fucking heroin junkies and PCP maniacs I scoop up everyday!? >_> It's so destructive to people and tears families apart. The wet dudes are usually violent and I've been hurt by them a bunch of times but thankfully the cops intervened when that started to happen.

Sounds like it's written by some hillbilly living in a rural bubble instead of someone who lives in a city and actually sees crime and drugs all the time

It said it can be done without harm, not that all drug use isn't harmful.

Besides, cops getting involved has made many, many lives worse off or ended them needlessly.

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Bananana posted...

continue being ignorant. please never have children

Ah yes my mistake, of course the police only exist to suppress people's rights. It's definitely not to enforce laws, nope.

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Frostshock posted...

Ah yes my mistake, of course the police only exist to suppress people's rights. It's definitely not to enforce laws, nope.

It says thats why they were created. Which is a fact. If youre not going to read the infographic, go back to trolling another topic.

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Bananana posted...

It says thats why they were created. Which is a fact. If youre not going to read the infographic, go back to trolling another topic.

I read it, and as I said, it is total bullshit starting at panel 1.

If it's going to make wild claims like the police were started for any reason other than enforcing the law, it had better be citing some fucking good sources.

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Frostshock posted...

Ah yes my mistake, of course the police only exist to suppress people's rights. It's definitely not to enforce laws, nope.

Learn history. The panel describes what cops were created for.

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Bananana posted...

It says thats why they were created. Which is a fact.

Seems pretty contestable to me... Not that I have any issues with the picture

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Balrog0 posted...

Seems pretty contestable to me... Not that I have any issues with the picture

In England and the United States, the police were invented within the space of just a few decadesroughly from 1825 to 1855.

The new institution was not a response to an increase in crime, and it really didnt lead to new methods for dealing with crime. The most common way for authorities to solve a crime, before and since the invention of police, has been for someone to tell them who did it.

Besides, crime has to do with the acts of individuals, and the ruling elites who invented the police were responding to challenges posed by collective action. To put it in a nutshell: The authorities created the police in response to large, defiant crowds. Thats

strikes in England,
riots in the Northern US,
and the threat of slave insurrections in the South.

So the police are a response to crowds, not to crime.

Sources:

Thompson, E. P. The Making of the English Working Class. Vintage, 1966.

Farrell, Audrey. Crime, Class and Corruption. Bookmarks, 1995.

Williams, Kristian. Our Enemies in Blue: Police and Power in America. Revised Edition. South End Press, 2007.

Silberman, Charles E. Criminal Violence, Criminal Justice. First Edition. New York: Vintage, 1980.

Bacon, Selden Daskam. The Early Development of American Municipal Police: A Study of the Evolution of Formal Controls in a Changing Society. Two volumes. University Microfilms, 1939.

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Bananana posted...

It says thats why they were created. Which is a fact.

It's not. Fact check something before posting it and you won't have to defend it like this.

Frostshock posted...

I read it, and as I said, it is total bullshit starting at panel 1.

If it's going to make wild claims like the police were started for any reason other than enforcing the law, it had better be citing some fucking good sources.

preventing slaves from escaping was, in fact, enforcing the law

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BathroomWater posted...

In England and the United States, the police were invented within the space of just a few decadesroughly from 1825 to 1855.

The new institution was not a response to an increase in crime, and it really didnt lead to new methods for dealing with crime. The most common way for authorities to solve a crime, before and since the invention of police, has been for someone to tell them who did it.

Besides, crime has to do with the acts of individuals, and the ruling elites who invented the police were responding to challenges posed by collective action. To put it in a nutshell: The authorities created the police in response to large, defiant crowds. Thats

strikes in England,
riots in the Northern US,
and the threat of slave insurrections in the South.

So the police are a response to crowds, not to crime.

Sources:

Thompson, E. P. The Making of the English Working Class. Vintage, 1966.

Farrell, Audrey. Crime, Class and Corruption. Bookmarks, 1995.

Williams, Kristian. Our Enemies in Blue: Police and Power in America. Revised Edition. South End Press, 2007.

Silberman, Charles E. Criminal Violence, Criminal Justice. First Edition. New York: Vintage, 1980.

Bacon, Selden Daskam. The Early Development of American Municipal Police: A Study of the Evolution of Formal Controls in a Changing Society. Two volumes. University Microfilms, 1939.

Yeah I mean law enforcement is definitely about social control and not crime. That said, you'd have trouble linking the development of police departments to strikes or riots the exact same way you have trouble tying it to crime. Or, e.g., It's true that southern shave patrols developed into police but the first police departments are in the northeast.

Anyway it just seems like a pointless thing to argue about right now, jmo

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Balrog0 posted...

e.g., It's true that southern shave patrols developed into police but the first police departments are in the northeast.

This is a poor example though because I mentioned riots in the Northern US in my post.

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BathroomWater posted...

This is a poor example though because I mentioned riots in the Northern US in my post.

like I said, you can't link the development of police departments to a wave of riots or strikes any easier than a crime wave. So please don't respond to me if you're just going to take isolated parts of my post. Thank you.

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BathroomWater posted...

Sources:

Thompson, E. P. The Making of the English Working Class. Vintage, 1966.

Farrell, Audrey. Crime, Class and Corruption. Bookmarks, 1995.

Williams, Kristian. Our Enemies in Blue: Police and Power in America. Revised Edition. South End Press, 2007.

Silberman, Charles E. Criminal Violence, Criminal Justice. First Edition. New York: Vintage, 1980.

Bacon, Selden Daskam. The Early Development of American Municipal Police: A Study of the Evolution of Formal Controls in a Changing Society. Two volumes. University Microfilms, 1939.

Oh hey, sources. Now we can get somewhere.

I can't exactly poof any of these books into existence, but they don't seem too far out of left field.

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Balrog0 posted...

like I said, you can't link the development of police departments to a wave of riots or strikes any easier than a crime wave. So please don't respond to me if you're just going to take isolated parts of my post. Thank you.

e.g. is the abbreviation for the Latin phrase exempli gratia, meaning for example.

[edit: (prior to your edit you said it wasnt an example)]

I didnt respond to the rest of your post because its just wishy-washy silliness without any academic backing. I cant really formulate much of a response to nonsense.

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I think this is good information but I still think that Defund the Police as three word exclamation or hashtag might be counterproductive.

If it makes people think, "so if someone is breaking into my home and I call 911, no one will answer" it is gonna turn people off without them wanting to put a single ounce of additional research into it.

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BathroomWater posted...

I didnt respond to the rest of your post because its just wishy-washy silliness without any academic backing. I cant really formulate much of a response to nonsense.

Ok. What wave of riots and strikes occurred in the northeast USA that caused the police to develop?

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Here's a brief write up of the history of police, no mention of riots and strikes

https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/history-policing-united-states-part-1

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What a poorly thought graphic.
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"Police departments develop in the 1830s but crime didn't increase see it wasn't about crime. It was about striking and riots."

"But strikes and riots didn't increase at that time either,"

"I can't respond to this unacademic nonsense"


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True from first panel to the last.

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NeonOctopus posted...

Stopped reading at drug use is for self-medication and doesnt do any harm >_>

Bitch, you know how many fucking heroin junkies and PCP maniacs I scoop up everyday!? >_> It's so destructive to people and tears families apart. The wet dudes are usually violent and I've been hurt by them a bunch of times but thankfully the cops intervened when that started to happen.

Sounds like it's written by some hillbilly living in a rural bubble instead of someone who lives in a city and actually sees crime and drugs all the time

Sounds more like someone who never leaves their house and only deals with their ecochamber

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deupd_u2 posted...

What a poorly thought graphic.

Why, though? Police are law enforcement. The better they can stick to that pathway the better. Laws are concrete, they are only open for interpretation if a case is brought to court. The police enforcing those laws only need to be responsible for that. Being good community ambassadors and trying to tailor their policing to building strong bonds with the people they encounter is an extension of proper execution of law enforcement.

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A jobs guarantee would increase employment & wages with national programs like building & improving infrastructure in a transition to green tech.

Im not sure how that will work when we start to really transition towards automated workforces. The new industry will probably create new jobs for humans, but I doubt it will be so many that it will cover the jobs lost. Might as well pay people the basic income theyve been asking for, although I believe that could put the nation behind other up and coming nations that dont have that same concern.

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Seems like the logic here is "Slavery was law back then so police departments were established for no other reason but that one law".

There's zero reason to lie about this unless your argument actually is removing police entirely.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Seems like the logic here is "Slavery was law back then so police departments were established for no other reason but that one law".

There's zero reason to lie about this unless your argument actually is removing police entirely.

A side effect of turning police reform into exclusively an issue of race

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

Seems like the logic here is "Slavery was law back then so police departments were established for no other reason but that one law".

There's zero reason to lie about this unless your argument actually is removing police entirely.

The first police in what would become the United States was in 1704 in the Carolina colonies. Slave patrols were created in order to prevent slave rebellions and enslaved people from escaping.[13][14] Though slave patrols were abolished upon the abolition of slavery in the 1860s, their methods are said to have gone on to influence all American policing.[13][15] The vigilante tactics of the slave patrols are reflected in the tactics of the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist group established after the abolition of slavery.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law enforcement in the United States#History

It wasn't the only thing they did, but it was a major driver of what they did and influenced the institution ever since.