Current Events > Coronavirus 19: "An Incalculable Loss"

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Coronavirus Cases: 5,500,268
Deaths 346,719
Recovered: 2,189,033

Major updates:

-To put things into perspective, 104k worldwide deaths have occurred since May 2, when the last topic was created just 21 days ago.
-The US now has 1.68 million cases with 100k deaths.
-All 50 states reopened in some fashion.
-24 states currently don't have control of the outbreak despite being in various phases of reopening.
-Brazil is now an epicenter of the outbreak. 2nd after the US, with Russia at 3rd.
-A Columbia University study revealed that 54k lives could have been saved had lockdown measures been instituted a few weeks earlier. In New York, a 17.5k would have been saved if it was instituted just a week earlier. 20k if two weeks earlier.
More stats:
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd
https://datastudio.google.com/embed/u/0/reporting/f56febd8-5c42-4191-bcea-87a3396f4508/page/k1XIB

https://healthweather.us/

To see your state's projections on the virus and curve as well as how strong state restrictions are throughout the country.

https://covidactnow.org/

Hospital projections.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
The Guardian's map of US infections.
https://bit.ly/33ZuYyP

Track the different strains of the virus.

https://nextstrain.org/

Social distancing scoreboard rating how well states are doing around the country.

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

Track deaths in NY State. Provided by the NY State Health Department.

https://on.ny.gov/3aZbey4

Thank you and credits to everybody participating as usual. Stay safe everyone.

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tag

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Back to work tomorrow to find out what, if anything, my company will do about the COVID19 positive employee.

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Looks like the US is on a steady decline in new cases and deaths. Maybe the summer is giving a reprieve after all.

Edit: or maybe not and it's still too early to tell.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1264529903711649792
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I have no faith in the American people to act appropriately during a pandemic.

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These older and at-risk people really need to act more responsibly.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Looks like the US is on a steady decline in new cases and deaths. Maybe the summer is giving a reprieve after all.

Edit: or maybe not and it's still too early to tell.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1264529903711649792

Because everywhere is in the middle of reopening right now. Thus cases are going up.

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My swim club is opening next week and Im debating whether or not cancel my membership this season. They said theyre having new rules in place to be safe... but you cant wear masks in the pool. I also live in a predominantly red town, so Id imagine the older people at the pool wont adhere to social distancing rules.

LameFAQs posted...

My swim club is opening next week and Im debating whether or not cancel my membership this season. They said theyre having new rules in place to be safe... but you cant wear masks in the pool. I also live in a predominantly red town, so Id imagine the older people at the pool wont adhere to social distancing rules.

Guessing that pool will be so laden with chlorine that it will be chemically dangerous.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

These older and at-risk people really need to act more responsibly.

Yeah if I want to piss on your head, it's your responsibility to get out of the way.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Yeah if I want to piss on your head, it's your responsibility to get out of the way.

In this metaphor, are you implying that you would not attempt to get out of the way if someone was peeing on your head?

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abaddon41_80 posted...

These older and at-risk people really need to act more responsibly.

You do realize everyone needs to be more responsible right? That means you too, as much as you may hate being responsible.

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I think I know why Trump supporters keep downplaying the tens and soon to be hundreds of thousands of dead people

They can't count that high

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

I think I know why Trump supporters keep downplaying the tens and soon to be hundreds of thousands of dead people

They can't count that high

Or because the flu, between 291k and 646k, and AIDS, between 570k and 1.mil, have both likely killed more in the past year than COVID-19. When, or if, the COVID-19 deaths exceed the high-end estimate for even the flu is when people might start taking it more seriously. I doubt the worldwide death toll will ever exceed AIDS but I do not see anyone on this message board talking about what should be done to slow down AIDS.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

Or because the flu, between 291k and 646k, and AIDS, between 570k and 1.mil, have both likely killed more in the past year than COVID-19. When, or if, the COVID-19 deaths exceed the high-end estimate for even the flu is when people might start taking it more seriously. I doubt the worldwide death toll will ever exceed AIDS but I do not see anyone on this message board talking about what should be done to slow down AIDS.

Nice, we're adding AIDS into the flu, car crashes, cancer, and heart attack argument.

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How lame do you have to be to troll about covid?

Abaddon has been trolling nonstop about COVID. None of that stuff he has mentioned has killed 100K Americans in just a little over two months, and yet there he is, still prattling on.

Get a fucking hobby, dude.

Having a different opinion than you, or others, is not trolling. I have done nothing more than post statistical facts. If you want to argue that facts that is fine, I am happy to do it, but do not dismiss things as trolling just because you disagree.

I am not going to insult any of you, regardless of how much I disagree with you. Some similar level of respect and civility would be nice.

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Abaddon I understand where you're coming from, I do. But also understand that downplaying a very new, very unknown infectious disease that has so far killed 100K Americans in a little over two months poses as a health concern for many people.

In two, three years from now when this is over, then we can look back and evaluate the data and the possible long-term effects. But until then, this has proven to be a more lethal new disease than anything in a long time, and we should remain cautionary until there's a vaccine or we are immune.

No one is saying to never return to normal or to never leave the house. But remaining cautious until the first and potential second wave are over is most advisable for the public.

tag

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I am not downplaying anything, though. I am well aware of the deaths and the death rate. The total deaths worldwide, as of now, are likely not even to the level of the flu deaths in a year and nowhere near the death count of AIDs on a annual basis. Those are facts.

The death rate may pick up again soon, though most experts believer it will remain relatively constant, but we do not know that. We do not know how things are going to go right now, but so far the projections on the death toll have been consistently far too high. No matter where you look, the death rate has been on a decline even when social distancing guidelines were relaxed in the beginning of May,

The numbers show that the only people this disease really poses a serious risk to, meaning death, are the elderly and those with previously existing medical conditions. Those are the people who should take serious precautions in order to avoid the disease. Those under 65 with no pre-existing conditions have nearly a 0% chance of dying from COVID-19.

The reason I argue against the response to COVID-19 so much is simply because most of the media reports are nothing but fear-mongering hysteria meant to boost ratings. People take those reports and make further sensationalist statements without any real knowledge. People need to know the facts and the numbers and very few people have taken the time to actually do that research. If they did, there would still be a healthy, rational fear of this pandemic instead of a hysterical, irrational fear.

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Do we need a topic like this every single day? We know.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

. The total deaths worldwide, as of now, are likely not even to the level of the flu deaths in a year and nowhere near the death count of AIDs on a annual basis. Those are facts.

The worst flu season in a while was 2018, and that was 80K deaths in a 6 month timespan. So that's factually wrong, Covid has been much deadlier.

abaddon41_80 posted...

The reason I argue against the response to COVID-19 so much is simply because most of the media reports are nothing but fear-mongering hysteria meant to boost ratings.

I agree with this, mostly. I usually always avoid the news because it's fear mongering. But the health experts of the world are who we should listen to, not the media.

Oregon has been death free for 9 days and there's only 1 county that isn't open yet..Multnomah county where Portland is. Apparamtly the county doesn't have enough contact tracers yet. WTF ever, just open already.

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Occupy_This posted...

Oregon has been death free for 9 days and there's only 1 county that isn't open yet..Multnomah county where Portland is. Apparamtly the county doesn't have enough contact tracers yet. WTF ever, just open already.

Thats good news. One of my best friends lives in Bend and they opened last week, but he said people have been out and about for weeks now.

I still don't know where all this fearmongering supposedly is. Reporting numbers and telling people to practice social distancing is not exactly telling everyone they will die. It certainly isn't working so I guess America must be too stupid to be socially conditioned.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I still don't know where all this fearmongering supposedly is. Reporting numbers and telling people to practice social distancing is not exactly telling everyone they will die. It certainly isn't working so I guess America must be too stupid to be socially conditioned.

What I dont get is how masks became a political issue. Is it really that hard for people to wear a mask for a little if they wanna go out?

LameFAQs posted...

What I dont get is how masks became a political issue. Is it really that hard for people to wear a mask for a little if they wanna go out?

too much hassle to wear a mask :(. i had to wear one this morning a pokemon go player too distracted on his phone decided to pass nearby me instead of going on the other side of the street.

even i look to see where i'm going to not do that to people ><.
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AzurexNightmare posted...

Do we need a topic like this every single day? We know.

The last thread in this series was made 3 weeks ago, I think you'll be okay

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US reporting lowest number of deaths in almost two months.

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I am posting more links about neutral antibodies because more recent articles are less technical. Neutral antibodies are not entirely good news: there can be no covid-19 specific present and the common test will fail. Moreover, there is the indication that the person will not have immunity.

https://www.genengnews.com/news/coronavirus-neutralizing-human-antibody-discovered/

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/battling-covid-19-neutralizing-antibodies

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/06/details-of-a-new-anti-coronovirus-neutralizing-antibody

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y

previously posted
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v2

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CobraGT posted...

I am posting more links about neutral antibodies because more recent articles are less technical. Neutral antibodies are not entirely good news: there can be no covid-19 specific present and the common test will fail. Moreover, there is the indication that the person will not have immunity.

https://www.genengnews.com/news/coronavirus-neutralizing-human-antibody-discovered/

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/battling-covid-19-neutralizing-antibodies

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/06/details-of-a-new-anti-coronovirus-neutralizing-antibody

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y

previously posted
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v2

I think you're misunderstanding what those articles are about. It has nothing to do with testing people, they're trying to develop an antibody-based treatment.

AlephZero posted...

US reporting lowest number of deaths in almost two months.

I hope that's a good thing, but it's also Memorial Day weekend so reporting might be down quite a bit. Deaths do seem to be trending down, but new cases have been pretty steady these last couple weeks after they had been decreasing prior to that. Hard to say which direction things will go in the coming weeks.

umax555 posted...

I hope that's a good thing, but it's also Memorial Day weekend so reporting might be down quite a bit. Deaths do seem to be trending down, but new cases have been pretty steady these last couple weeks after they had been decreasing prior to that. Hard to say which direction things will go in the coming weeks.

We're reopening way too early, shit is going to ramp right back up

Ireland experiences its first day without COVID-19 deaths.
https://www.thejournal.ie/no-new-confirmed-deaths-5106807-May2020/

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Woo, time to get into the office and see if they're gonna tell anyone about the lady who tested positive or just let us make them more money.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

The worst flu season in a while was 2018, and that was 80K deaths in a 6 month timespan. So that's factually wrong, Covid has been much deadlier.

Worldwide, the flu kills an estimated 291k to 646k people annually. I am not just looking at numbers in the US.

umax555 posted...

I hope that's a good thing, but it's also Memorial Day weekend so reporting might be down quite a bit. Deaths do seem to be trending down, but new cases have been pretty steady these last couple weeks after they had been decreasing prior to that. Hard to say which direction things will go in the coming weeks.

Overall cases are going to continue to increase but that is due to an overall increase in testing. Considering that anywhere from 35-50% of people are completely asymptomatic, an increase in testing is going to catch more cases. Providing the infection rate remains constant, an increase in testing is going to result in an increase in confirmed cases.

The CDC just changed their CFR estimate from 3% to 0.3%.

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abaddon41_80 posted...

Worldwide, the flu kills an estimated 291k to 646k people annually. I am not just looking at numbers in the US.

Overall cases are going to continue to increase but that is due to an overall increase in testing. Considering that anywhere from 35-50% of people are completely asymptomatic, an increase in testing is going to catch more cases. Providing the infection rate remains constant, an increase in testing is going to result in an increase in confirmed cases.

The CDC just changed their CFR estimate from 3% to 0.3%.

Please no one take the bait for such low effort trolling.

He is attempting to say he is arguing with facts, but his facts are super incorrect.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Please no one take the bait for such low effort trolling.

He is attempting to say he is arguing with facts, but his facts are super incorrect.

So a typical Trump supporter?

Secretly posted...

So a typical Trump supporter?

Basically yeah.

Arguments comparing covid to the flu were stupid a few months ago and it has only gotten dumber.

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

see if they're gonna tell anyone about the lady who tested positive

if i had to guess they're not going to be truthful about it.
hopefully you don't get the disease it's real bad.
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TommyG663513 posted...

I have no faith in the American people to act appropriately during a pandemic.

You can't tell me what to do!

kingdrake2 posted...

if i had to guess they're not going to be truthful about it.
hopefully you don't get the disease it's real bad.

So far nothing

She was at work on Wednesday, got tested Thursday, positive Friday.

She felt like shit for a couple of days before that.

So she was likely spreading the virus around the office without symptoms for a couple of weeks. Using the same bathroom as all the other women here, the same break room as everyone, etc.

I'm not hoping for a free couple of weeks off or anything like that but they can't even tell us "hey one of our employees tested positive, but we're taking necessary precautions" or some other bullshit response that at least acknowledges it? The fuck?

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umax555 posted...

I think you're misunderstanding what those articles are about. It has nothing to do with testing people, they're trying to develop an antibody-based treatment.

I know what the articles are about. The caution I gave is not in the articles!!!

OK?

@umax555 * * * The caution is based on previous info given in these topics via links to the info and common sense.

Previous articles have observed that some recovered cases have a low antibody count.

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The concern is that recovering via neutral antibodies means that there will not be covid 19 specific antibodies.

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The most common test for covid-19 looks for covid specific antibodies and it will not detect covid cases if that person is producing neutral antibodies

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The survival rate of the general population is 99.25% annually. In a given year, 0.75 out of every 100 Americans will pass away. The survival rate for Covid is... 99.5%. Almost everyone who dies of it had pre existing conditions, most commonly due to old age.

.....you're going to be fine.

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You know what is really crazy? There is no info line for public health personnel comparable to these topics.

I have a family member in public health and I mentioned the covid cases that do not know they are sick, silent hypoxia. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

This was news. It's crazy.

CDC is not doing its job as well as these topics.

@DoctorVader

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also, the flu would kill a lot less people if everyone got vaccinated. but the anti-vaxx crowd and the "it's not as bad as the flu" crowd are the same people

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Fuparulez posted...

...you're going to be fine.

Probably, but I'm not a selfish conservative piece of shit so I'm genuinely worried for other people I could pass it on to.

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thronedfire2 posted...

also, the flu would kill a lot less people if everyone got vaccinated.

The flu vaccine is a "best guess" each year. It usually guesses wrong.