Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"

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Corrik7 posted...

No way.

Racist.

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Lol

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Corrik7 posted...

That said, ID4 speech is probably top speech ever made from an american president in all of history.

Real or fictional?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Real or fictional?

Both

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I see Jayapal voted Nay but didn't get the rest of the progressive caucus to follow suit.

Yeah, I was gonna list the 14 Dems who voted No on HEROES as well but ain't nobody got time for that. also because the way they differentiate parties on the House site is annoying when trying to pick them out. I didn't want to do it 14 more times. >_>

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Amash is out:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1261714484479041537

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lmao

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Someone probably said "you're gonna help reelect Trump, you dipshit."

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Real libertarians cyberbullied him so he cried and went home LOL

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amash criticized trump so hE's nOt a ReAl LiBeRtArIaN

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Real libertarians are all about a single guy using all of the executive branch's power for his own personal interests!

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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(8, 78681603, 939215762, '24ac60a5');" href="/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78681603/939215762">Mr Lasastryke posted... </a>

getting back to this post, i'm not exactly sure what you're saying. are you saying that if you adhere to the "innocent until proven guilty" principle, you're "avoiding your responsibility to think for yourself by hiding behind the law"?

Are you making a judgment based on information revealed during a trial, or making the judgement based on the result of it?

I read you as the latter, in which case, under the uncontested assumption that it's "he said/she said", ie hearsay, there isn't enough evidence to convict under the whole class of accusation. There isn't nuance to your decision-making. The court will always find the accused not guilty, regardless of how credible the accusations are, because credibility does not equal proof.

Innocent until proven guilty is important for law, but somewhat irrelevant for the court of public option. If you are trying to decide how you feel for yourself, there are things you can and should consider that fall outside the purview of law. Without solid proof, a court of law is never going to find the defendant guilty, but you shouldn't treat a clearly baseless accusation the same as you would one that has a great deal of credibility just because they both got the same result in a trial

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Real libertarians are all about a single guy using all of the executive branch's power for his own personal interests!

And the interests of the country. If he does that, we don't mind paying him for his services.

Obama virtual commencement speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta5anRPf8rQ

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Wasn't the president in ID4 facing record-low ratings by the movie's start?

I'd rather have President Lone Starr anyway.

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https://news.yahoo.com/biden-campaign-doesnt-consider-latinos-143056489.html

Um, this seems bad.

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That seems... Not all that bad.

Its very presumptuous and somehow trying to say Biden needs to win Texas or Arizona.

The fact those two states are even considered on the map says not bad.

Hillary Clinton was rather strongly criticized for putting resources into AZ!

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NFUN posted...

Innocent until proven guilty is important for law, but somewhat irrelevant for the court of public option. If you are trying to decide how you feel for yourself, there are things you can and should consider that fall outside the purview of law. Without solid proof, a court of law is never going to find the defendant guilty, but you shouldn't treat a clearly baseless accusation the same as you would one that has a great deal of credibility just because they both got the same result in a trial

well, in the reade case, i don't agree with inviso's "you HAVE to pick a side!" stance. there's so little to go off that i can't do much more than ask myself "how likely is it that biden sexually assaulted her?" i don't really feel comfortable making such harsh judgments about biden's character based on little more than my personal feelings.

that's not to say that it's always impossible to pick a side if there's no trial. in the case of kavanaugh, the fact that he unleashed an avalanche of bullshit during the hearing did make me go "uh yeah, he's probably doing this for a reason." similarly, if biden starts acting hysterically, lying a lot and making a bunch of nonsensical statements regarding reade, i'll probably be inclined to believe reade.

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https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1261837072710733825?s=21

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Wasn't the president in ID4 facing record-low ratings by the movie's start?

I'd rather have President Lone Starr anyway.

They were attacking his age. Not his politics.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/aaronecarroll/status/1261837072710733825?s=21

No subscription, can you summarize?

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RaidenGarai posted...

No subscription, can you summarize?

They outline the Dems' test and trace plan (which they helped develop and provided a $74 billion cost estimate for, which is in the HEROES Act). Basically communities are divided into green/yellow/red based on the fraction of the population with active coronavirus infections, and they estimate how many tests and contact tracers they need to basically go back to normal (green), mostly normal with restrictions like mandatory masks, large gathering bans etc (yellow), or remain in lockdown (red) based on South Korea. Most of the US is yellow right now based on this classification, with places that are really bad like NYC red (>1% infected). Their claim is that if we make this investment right now, most of the country could be green by July.

I'm guessing July is very optimistic even if competently implemented now, but implementing something like this if definitely the way to go if we want to get out of this anytime soon.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

They outline the Dems' test and trace plan (which they helped develop and provided a $74 billion cost estimate for, which is in the HEROES Act). Basically communities are divided into green/yellow/red based on the fraction of the population with active coronavirus infections, and they estimate how many tests and contact tracers they need to basically go back to normal (green), mostly normal with restrictions like mandatory masks, large gathering bans etc (yellow), or remain in lockdown (red) based on South Korea. Most of the US is yellow right now based on this classification, with places that are really bad like NYC red (>1% infected). Their claim is that if we make this investment right now, most of the country could be green by July.

I'm guessing July is very optimistic even if competently implemented now, but implementing something like this if definitely the way to go if we want to get out of this anytime soon.

They went to the wrong people with this plan. Should have pitched it to Republicans. Since they took it to the Dems, it's now dead on arrival.

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Leafeon13N posted...

That seems... Not all that bad.

Its very presumptuous and somehow trying to say Biden needs to win Texas or Arizona.

The fact those two states are even considered on the map says not bad.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Hillary Clinton was rather strongly criticized for putting resources into AZ!

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN22R2WK

The Biden campaign just said they plan to invest in those states though?

Also I recall much talk about Latinos being the most important voting bloc months ago?

Just seems like a great way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

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what a difference an administration makes

https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1262072001184882688

Obama Administration, 2015. Senator Ron Johnson: (In criticism of Acting IGs) Senate-confirmed IGs are independent, can't be removed by the agency at any time, and aren't at greater risk of compromising their work to appease the president.

Trump Administration, 2020, after Trump fires Senate-confirmed IG, Senator Ron Johnson: IGs serve the WH therefore we shouldn't expect them to be independent from the WH. Nothing to see here about these firings.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN22R2WK

The Biden campaign just said they plan to invest in those states though?

Also I recall much talk about Latinos being the most important voting bloc months ago?

Just seems like a great way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

I was just making a joke about criticisms that Hillary was trying to "run up the score" in AZ instead of campaigning in MI and WI. I do think competing in AZ is important; it's definitely possible that he could do better there than in WI, so keeping both potential paths open would be very useful. TX is obviously more of a reach; don't know whether that's something that should be focused on or not.

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https://twitter.com/orrchris/status/1262121630920323072?s=21

Lol
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The Biden campaign just said they plan to invest in those states though?

Also I recall much talk about Latinos being the most important voting bloc months ago?

Just seems like a great way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

I think you missed that none of this anti Latino thing came from the Biden camp.

Again, the article was making a lot of assumptions about needing to win two states and you even directly contradicted the article by saying the Biden camp was going to put money into them anyway.

Who do you think the Biden camp is going to target in those states?

Basically, you quoted a poorly conceived article with a source likely far from the Biden camp.

I assume you are in too deep in your Twitter circles again.

A few things- one, that entire Biden article is based off of a 1 line quote

"I do not think that the Biden campaign thinks that Latinos are part of their path to victory," Jess Morales Rocketto, the former digital organizing director for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign, told Politico.

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Two, i think the one lasting legacy of this pandemic, if we allow it, would be the PATRIOT act of disease tracking and control

Our choices now seem to be either 1) let many many extra people die, 2) stay inside until a vaccine or super cure is invented, or 3) approve a massive surveillance program

I don't know the details of the tracking teams, but i don't know which of those you all would prefer

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Leafeon13N posted...

I think you missed that none of this anti Latino thing came from the Biden camp.

Again, the article was making a lot of assumptions about needing to win two states and you even directly contradicted the article by saying the Biden camp was going to put money into them anyway.

Who do you think the Biden camp is going to target in those states?

Basically, you quoted a poorly conceived article with a source likely far from the Biden camp.

I assume you are in too deep in your Twitter circles again.

banananor posted...

A few things- one, that entire Biden article is based off of a 1 line quote

I cant tell if you didnt read the linked article it was reporting on or if theres some weird gas-lighting thing going on, but here ill help you out:


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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I cant tell if you didnt read the linked article it was reporting on or if theres some weird gas-lighting thing going on, but here ill help you out:

Sorry! i went back to the article, and on my phone that section is partially covered by an ad. I legitimately didn't see it

Red's point that none of the quotes are coming from the actual campaign still stands

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https://twitter.com/9_volt_/status/1262136412637474826?s=21

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

straight buttigieg would just be a normal basic ass Democrat no one would care about

it's possible, but that's basically all anybody wants. people keep complaining that 'generic democratic candidate' polls way better than any actual person

i think a youngish, military background test-tube candidate without any bad marks in their background would do extremely well

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/9_volt_/status/1262136412637474826?s=21

hahaha. i can't tell the difference between earnestness and parody anymore. does that person not realize the red pill came from the matrix?

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what makes the right-wing fascination with redpilling even more amusing is how it's a concept from two transwomen with a blatant allegory to transitioning (Premarin, the red estrogen pill commonly used for hormone therapy in the 90s)

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Biden is preparing for defeat: "I didn't want to win anyway, that's why I told A,B,C,D,E,F,G.... not to vote for me."

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-older-voters-turning-away-from-trump/

Man if this is true then Trump really does have no shot.

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banananor posted...

it's possible, but that's basically all anybody wants. people keep complaining that 'generic democratic candidate' polls way better than any actual person

i think a youngish, military background test-tube candidate without any bad marks in their background would do extremely well

"Generic Dem" doesn't exist though and Pete's total mediocrity is what happens when you crystallize generic dem into an actual human (allegedly) being. The common wisdom is you want generic dem, and everyone knows you need to run the Obama playbook, Pete did both and it doesn't work because it's so blatantly transparent.

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TheRock1525 posted...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-older-voters-turning-away-from-trump/

Man if this is true then Trump really does have no shot.

You can't count out how Biden's going to have the worst youth vote for a Democrat since who knows how long, though!

Probably not enough to make a difference, but expect a ton of hot take articles stating "youth trending further right!" even if Bidem does win, even though that's completely missing the point.

Any movement on new relief bill?

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Neo Nazi compelled to turn over social media accounts and electronic devices or else be held in contempt of court, as part of discovery for a case related to Charlottesville's Unite the Nazis-and-beat-up-minorities rally.

https://twitter.com/IntegrityforUSA/status/1262391666851352582

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Corrik7 posted...

Any movement on new relief bill?

Nothing positive.

McConnell is criticizing HEROES without offering his own counter-proposal and Thune, the majority whip, has said they aren't open to working on a new round until the $500m in small business funding runs out whis isn't expected until after Memorial Day basically.

McConnell could take up HEROES just like he could take up all the other bills the House has passed since 2019 but since he refuses to there's nothing to be done, especially when he isn't even proposing a counter-offer.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The common wisdom is you want generic dem, and everyone knows you need to run the Obama playbook, Pete did both and it doesn't work because it's so blatantly transparent.

I disagree that it failed "because it was transparent." You might be underestimating how many Americans still would not vote for a gay man! The venn diagram of people willing to vote blue and people who aren't comfortable with gay marriage is disappointingly larger than we would think

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/iowa-caucusgoer-pulls-buttigieg-vote-after-learning-he-s-gay-n1130696

https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/

pete struggled with the black vote not just because he was super white or his policies, but also because support for gay marriage is lower among black people. If support for gay marriage is only at 50% in a phone poll, what do you think the support for gay presidency in a private ballot box would be?

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No one who has seen Ex Machina would vote for "Pete."

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Even without the gay issue, I feel like Buttigieg would have struggled due to his lack of experience. The ideal "Generic Dem" should be something like a senator or a governor, not mayor of a town with barely 100k people.
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The ideal Generic Dem is The Rock.

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Xeybozn posted...

Even without the gay issue, I feel like Buttigieg would have struggled due to his lack of experience. The ideal "Generic Dem" should be something like a senator or a governor, not mayor of a town with barely 100k people.

Lack of experience is definitely the biggest strike against him in my book. I like him a lot as a person, but being mayor of a small town is not adequate preparation for being President of the United States.

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