Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 296: "Needless Suffering and Death"

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Yeah, both of you are making regrettable posts right now that lack an open-mind. I empathize for you both though. It is difficult to understand that other people have cultures and livelihoods that differ than the norm that you are accustomed to.

It is hard for someone to understand that using a calendar as a diary can be acceptable to someone and may be something they grew up with as a normal thing. Or just was an interest or quirk that is a part of their life.

It is also hard to understand that expecting masculinity centerfold, instead of letting males express themselves in ways that are sensitive and showing themselves as vulnerable, does not have to be the way we pidgeon-hole the males in our society. We should be welcoming expression and feelings. Not making people of either gender feel lesser for showing true feelings.


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You know what? Maybe I'll start keeping a physical calendar and using it as a diary.

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lol, i'd love to know about this culture where people do something as inane as using a calendar as a diary.

did this "culture" never leave the kavanaugh househould?

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Corrik7 posted...

Yeah, both of you are making regrettable posts right now that lack an open-mind.

Naw.

Corrik7 posted...

I empathize for you both though.

DEFINITELY Naw.

Basically all you need to know is that Kavanaugh ended those hearing complaining about liberals and anti-Trump conspiracies, which means he has absolutely no qualification to be on the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be the last bastion of partisan free politics left in the country.

This is of course not the case, but they are at least supposed to pretend.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Naw.

DEFINITELY Naw.

Basically all you need to know is that Kavanaugh ended those hearing complaining about liberals and anti-Trump conspiracies, which means he has absolutely no qualification to be on the Supreme Court, which is supposed to be the last bastion of partisan free politics left in the country.

This is of course not the case, but they are at least supposed to pretend.

It's very sad. Basically the only sliver of hope Wisconsin has of not being a de facto one-party state (with minority vote count holding a supermajority of power) is that the Wisconsin Supreme Court seats are filled by elections. Any other elected position the Republicans legislate power away from if they lose (and of course give power to if they win), and the state court is currently their rubber stamp machine. They gambled on the health of the people in the state that during a pandemic surely they could solidify their control of the court with lower liberal turnout, and they lost.

The bad part is even if the Republicans' blatant use of political power to stay in power is ended by the court no longer being a rubber stamp machine, the court will still have been politicized. It's very sad even the courts are now partisan tools.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

lol, i'd love to know about this culture where people do something as inane as using a calendar as a diary.

did this "culture" never leave the kavanaugh househould?

There are tons of different "cultures" for things that you wouldn't ever expect. It doesn't have to be a culture in the way you would normally expect it to be. In our Teaching in a multicultural society, we had 60 students do presentations on subcultures from things such as gamers to knitters to scrapbookers, etc.

You should be celebrating diversity in society and also not falling into toxic stereotypes for behaviors of people based upon their sex. Your way of thinking is outdated in an increasingly progressive society and should be stereotypes and expectations you should shed as you become more enlightened in life.

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have you heard of any other participants in this culture other than kavanaugh
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It's the culture of desperate panicky rapists.

I don't like Kavanaugh for any number of reasons, but I never thought it was at all unusual to claim to use a calendar as a way to keep track of daily events. Like isn't that what calendars are for? Why else would you even use one?
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What was the actual claim?

Using a calendar to keep track of daily events isn't weird at all.
Using a calendar to write personal details on is very weird.

I don't recall what the actual claim was, though.

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my favorite part of the kavanaugh hearing was when it was said "there is no date on the calendar where i had a party with PJ, tobin, squee, and so and so in attendance"

and Rachel Mitchell (republican prosecutor person) said (paraphrasing) "well, uh i guess except for *this* date here, where you wrote 'party with PJ, tobin, squee, and so and so' but moving on!"

people just like making fun of the calendar part because they want to meme and it was kind of stupid how much emphasis was being put on it. people vent when nobody cares about the seriously bad parts

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HashtagSEP posted...

What was the actual claim?

Using a calendar to keep track of daily events isn't weird at all.
Using a calendar to write personal details on is very weird.

I don't recall what the actual claim was, though.

the actual claim was that he literally used the calendars as diaries, not that he "used them to keep track of daily events." i don't remember the specific details but it had something to do with how he claimed he couldn't have sexually assaulted ford because his calendar said that he did something else that day (like going to grease 2 with a girl or whatever). then the other team said that didn't actually prove anything - it's entirely possible that he planned on going to grease 2 (and thus noted this in his calendar) but later changed his mind and went to a location where ford was instead that day. he then denied this with the "BUT I USE MY CALENDARS AS DIARIES" bullshit.

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red sox 777 posted...

Looks like the FBI seized Senator Richard Burr's phone to investigate insider trading on Congressional knowledge. The STOCK Act should be repealed; members of Congress should be free to trade on insider knowledge as much as they like IMO. Or at least, senators should be entitled to a trial in the Senate instead of through the regular court system, just like the members of the House of Lords were entitled when we broke off from Britain!

Why isnt Loeffler being investigated as well? Her conduct looks even worse, with her having specifically bought/sold stock that would do well/poorly in a pandemic (compared to Burr just selling all of his). The only difference I can think of is that Loeffler has been a consistent Trump ally whereas Burr at least semi did his job in investigating Trump and Russia. If Barr is selectively enforcing the law to replace Burr with a more reliable Trump ally thats even worse than the insider trading.

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Corrik7 posted...

It is also hard to understand that expecting masculinity centerfold, instead of letting males express themselves in ways that are sensitive and showing themselves as vulnerable, does not have to be the way we pidgeon-hole the males in our society.

Corrik actually understands the concept of toxic masculinity! Color me impressed
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i don't get why he's attacking me for being a toxic male over the calendar shit, though.

maybe i should just take what i can get and be glad that he understands the concept...?

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HashtagSEP posted...

What was the actual claim?

Using a calendar to keep track of daily events isn't weird at all.
Using a calendar to write personal details on is very weird.

I don't recall what the actual claim was, though.

He claimed he uses calendars as his diaries. Diaries are a collection of daily events and/or experiences.

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https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1261064449441529857

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Fuck, you know it's bad when Mitch is straight up backing down. That's like Graham when Trump pulled troops off the border.

LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1261064449441529857

Oof ouch owwie

I wonder how much better this would've gone if we had literally any one else in office.

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If the American People wanted someone who would follow the plans left by Obama, they would have voted for Hillary. I think the Trump administration had essentially no choice but to ignore those plans or else they would have been going against the clearly expressed will of the People. It would be breaking an election promise.

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Mitch should be focused on passing the heroes act or a viable alternative and not wasting his time on dumb petty stuff.

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Corrik, what do you like about the Heroes Act? I just read through an article about it and I can't see what's good about it. It sounds like an enormously expensive giveaway to groups favored by Democrats, with a one-time payment of $1,200 to everyone else to appease them.

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red sox 777 posted...

Corrik, what do you like about the Heroes Act? I just read through an article about it and I can't see what's good about it. It sounds like an enormously expensive giveaway to groups favored by Democrats, with a one-time payment of $1,200 to everyone else to appease them.

It extends the unemployment boost that is broken to January 1st (possibly thru March in ways I can't figure out). After the broken system that Mnuchin negotiated in cost people their jobs, it would be bullshit to take it away from the people it caused to lose their jobs when it finally affected them down supply.


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Also, their way of giving out a stimulus check is superior to the one that happened into cares which literally meant $1700 was supposed to cover 4 people in my house because dependents were left to the wayside.

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Also, it seems to me like it's encouraging the economy to stay closed. A lot of the money is going to "essential workers" only, and that $600/week unemployment bonus is being extended to January. I think the bonus is fine when people literally cannot work even if they wanted to but if we are trying to reopen the country, surely we want people to be getting back to work long before January. And while I don't think the average person is going to quit their job to go on unemployment, the average person on unemployment is going to be very picky about applying for and accepting a job that pays less than they are being paid on UE. I mean, why would they do that?

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Hard disagree on that one. I don't think the $600/week UE during the peak of the crisis had any real negative impact on jobs because there are no jobs to find right now. Doing it when we are supposed to be recovering is going to slow our recovery by keeping people at home and not working.

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red sox 777 posted...

Hard disagree on that one. I don't think the $600/week UE during the peak of the crisis had any real negative impact on jobs because there are no jobs to find right now. Doing it when we are supposed to be recovering is going to slow our recovery by keeping people at home and not working.

You admit there are no jobs right now, but your answer is "Fuck 'em," anyway?

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I would prefer a payroll tax holiday to the entire package in there. Also I don't like the idea of giving $500 billion to state governments. California is perpetually broke despite having the highest taxes in the country, the highest fees in the country, AND one of the wealthiest tax bases in the country. Giving them more money is like giving an alcoholic more money to buy alcohol because they spent all their money buying alcohol and are still thirsty.

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StealThisSheen posted...

You admit there are no jobs right now, but your answer is "Fuck 'em," anyway?

No, I strongly supported the $600/week through July. I question extending it to January, because we should be trying to have jobs by January. I would support extending it through let's say September as right now recovery by July is looking unlikely.

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How exactly would a payroll tax holiday help those unemployed as a result of the pandemic? Or is this one of those things where the literal interpretation of words isn't accurate?

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Inviso posted...

How exactly would a payroll tax holiday help those unemployed as a result of the pandemic? Or is this one of those things where the literal interpretation of words isn't accurate?

A payroll tax holiday would help everyone who is still working and stimulate the economy. People who are unemployed are already getting extra UE benefits. But sure, let's make those nontaxable too so everyone benefits.

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The states need money because theyre being forced to spend a shit ton responding to the coronavirus (and much more than they would have had the federal government been taking charge). If the Federal government doesnt want the responsibility the least they can do is foot the bill

(its also way cheaper for the Feds to do this since they can borrow huge sums of money for free at the moment, which the states cannot do).

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The states need money because theyre being forced to spend a shit ton responding to the coronavirus (and much more than they would have had the federal government been taking charge). If the Federal government doesnt want the responsibility the least they can do is foot the bill

(its also way cheaper for the Feds to do this since they can borrow huge sums of money for free at the moment, which the states cannot do).

It's no different from the airlines spending all their profits on share buybacks and then asking for a bailout. Some of the states are just as bad as the airlines and the banks.

And yes, the states would have to pay interest to borrow. That's an incentive not to be wasteful!

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Another way of putting this: if we hadn't been paying payroll tax since we started working, most of us wouldn't need unemployment benefits at all. Because we'd have much more in savings. When times are tough, people of wealth make withdrawals from their IRA or 401(k), so it's only fair that the common folk, whose retirement savings are tied up in social security, are also allowed to access it. I think even better than a payroll tax holiday would be giving people an option to take early withdrawals from social security.

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red sox 777 posted...

People who are unemployed are already getting extra UE benefits. But sure, let's make those nontaxable too so everyone benefits.

Uh, you don't pay payroll tax on unemployment.

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Corrik7 posted...

Uh, you don't pay payroll tax on unemployment.

Yeah, so get rid of the income tax on it.

HeroicCrono posted...

Yeah, so get rid of the income tax on it.

Do you even pay income tax on the federal boost?

If you mean get rid of the income tax on regular unemployment you are talking about $20-$200 a month. That's a far cry from $2400.

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I will admit, as much as it sucks that people are dumb and unwilling to take this virus seriously in this country, I am impressed that we have gone this long and still not destroyed any 5g towers.

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https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1261119770059046914

"vote for someone else" continues to be the weirdest and funniest biden-ism

Joe "I wouldn't vote for me" Biden 2020

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Corrik7 posted...

Do you even pay income tax on the federal boost?

If you mean get rid of the income tax on regular unemployment you are talking about $20-$200 a month. That's a far cry from $2400.

It can be more like $400. Add in the federal $2600/month and that's another $600 or so for a total of around $1,000 per month.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261126114799468549

lmao

Thank you to all of my great Keyboard Warriors!

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

"vote for someone else" continues to be the weirdest and funniest biden-ism

Joe "I wouldn't vote for me" Biden 2020

.... it's so weird but so incredibly consistent

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Grimlyn posted...

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1261126114799468549

lmao

Thank you to all of my great Keyboard Warriors!

.... it's so weird but so incredibly consistent

Do you hear that Sephy? Trump thinks his keyboard warriors are better than you.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

https://twitter.com/mikememoli/status/1261119770059046914

"vote for someone else" continues to be the weirdest and funniest biden-ism

Joe "I wouldn't vote for me" Biden 2020

Hey at least he gets why I wouldn't vote for him!

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red sox 777 posted...

It can be more like $400. Add in the federal $2600/month and that's another $600 or so for a total of around $1,000 per month.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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Corrik7 posted...

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I'm figuring $2,000 a month unemployment. There's a 22% tax rate, so that's $440. If the $600/week is taxable too, that's another $2,600 or so a month of taxable income. So about $600. Now we're at over $1,000 in income tax on unemployment per month.

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Only 15 states have an unemployment maximum of $500 or over, and the average person unemployed from this probably isn't getting the maximum, anyway, so $2,000 a month is incredibly generous.

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red sox 777 posted...

I'm figuring $2,000 a month unemployment. There's a 22% tax rate, so that's $440. If the $600/week is taxable too, that's another $2,600 or so a month of taxable income. So about $600. Now we're at over $1,000 in income tax on unemployment per month.

You just said you are basically against extending the $600 a week. So that ends the $2400 there (no idea where you are getting $2600 unless you are accounting some months have an extra pay week or something).

And, the tax withhold on unemployment is 10%. Not 22%. Why would it even be 22%?

PA Unemployment is 575 a week. That is 29,900 a year. The 22% tax bracket doesn't come in until $40,126 for single filers. $80,251 for married filers.

So, why would you be acting like a 22% bracket tax would ever matter. At most a portion would be 12%.

At 2,300 a month in PA, you are getting 230 withheld for taxes.

In states such as Mississippi the max is $235 a week. For a whopping $940 a month, and a $94 benefit.

And, this is assuming maximum rates, which some probably don't qualify for and why I have it as a low as a $20 benefit in my above estimate. Hell, with the standard deduction, some may not even have a tax liability at all.

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Corrik7 posted...

You just said you are basically against extending the $600 a week. So that ends the $2400 there (no idea where you are getting $2600 unless you are accounting some months have an extra pay week or something).

And, the tax withhold on unemployment is 10%. Not 22%. Why would it even be 22%?

PA Unemployment is 575 a week. That is 29,900 a year. The 22% tax bracket doesn't come in until $40,126 for single filers. $80,251 for married filers.

So, why would you be acting like a 22% bracket tax would ever matter. At most a portion would be 12%.

At 2,300 a month in PA, you are getting 230 withheld for taxes.

In states such as Mississippi the max is $235 a week. For a whopping $940 a month, and a $94 benefit.

And, this is assuming maximum rates, which some probably don't qualify for and why I have it as a low as a $20 benefit in my above estimate. Hell, with the standard deduction, some may not even have a tax liability at all.

I am assuming the person is working the rest of the year and their regular income has already put them into the 22% bracket.

The $2,600 is from a month being a little longer than 4 weeks - an average month is between 30 and 31 days while 4 weeks is only 28 days.

I'm for extending the $600/week until 3ish months after the stay home orders have been lifted. After that I'd rather have people working than not working.

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red sox 777 posted...

I am assuming the person is working the rest of the year and their regular income has already put them into the 22% bracket.

That is not how withholding works at all...

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Corrik7 posted...

That is not how withholding works at all...

I'm not talking about withholding, I'm talking about the tax that's ultimately due. Whether or not it's withheld, it'll still come due and have to be paid.

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