Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1359

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davidponte
05/09/20 8:31:51 PM
#201:


Cool

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 8:32:10 PM
#202:


Please

Please

Don't let anime titties decide these matches

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Nintendogs
05/09/20 8:32:28 PM
#203:


So is Persona 5 truly the beneficiary of the Sore Thumb Factor here? That and Persona 4 has looked quite well in taking down western games.
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KamikazePotato
05/09/20 8:33:32 PM
#204:


Western games are only good at fighting other western games. Anything from glorious Nippon is pure Indirect Strength vs. Indirect Strength, with maybe a slight inflated edge to Japan for all we know.

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Anclation
05/09/20 8:34:48 PM
#205:


KamikazePotato posted...
Xenoblade went from losing to Donkey Kong Country 2 in 2015 to winning its own division. People are already impressed by that, but I think it's also being understated how incredibly well it held up against Ultimate. Nintendo SFF can be brutal, and even if we roll with the notion that it holds up better than 'traditional' Nintendo properties it still outperformed A Link Between Worlds by 6% and only underperformed Mario Odyssey by 4%. That's damn good, and overall it's come a long way.
I'm super happy about Xenoblade staying above 40%. It also won most of Europe, which even if Smash is relatively weak in Europe suggests to me that the effect of Nintendo of America screwing Xenoblade over so hard still lingers.

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HaRRicH
05/09/20 8:35:05 PM
#206:


KamikazePotato posted...
Xenoblade went from losing to Donkey Kong Country 2 in 2015 to winning its own division. People are already impressed by that, but I think it's also being understated how incredibly well it held up against Ultimate. Nintendo SFF can be brutal, and even if we roll with the notion that it holds up better than 'traditional' Nintendo properties it still outperformed A Link Between Worlds by 6% and only underperformed Mario Odyssey by 4%. That's damn good, and overall it's come a long way.

I'm excited to play its remaster coming out soon, and I agree it handled its SFF well. That game'll continue to go up.

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LamarJackson
05/09/20 8:35:24 PM
#207:


KamikazePotato posted...
Western games are only good at fighting other western games. Anything from glorious Nippon is pure Indirect Strength vs. Indirect Strength, with maybe a slight inflated edge to Japan for all we know.

does that really matter if you still have over 50% of the site willing to vote for Western games? They still win regardless of if they can't get big blowouts against Japanese games.

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transience
05/09/20 8:35:34 PM
#208:


Xenoblade being strong is good and all, but it's only relative strength. DKC2 would also be close to a top 10 game in this contest.

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charmander6000
05/09/20 8:35:47 PM
#209:


Nice to see Persona 5 putting up a great fight, I guess the upset wasn't too crazy after all.

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KamikazePotato
05/09/20 8:36:15 PM
#210:


transience posted...
Xenoblade being strong is good and all, but it's only relative strength. DKC2 would also be close to a top 10 game in this contest.
This isn't true unless you think Fire Emblem Awakening wins some of these divisions.

CaptainOfCrush posted...
Ok, we need to coin the term Dark Souls Trends

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LeonhartFour
05/09/20 8:36:44 PM
#211:


X-Stats, part 2:

Division 3+4

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 50.00%
Super Mario Odyssey 44.06%
Xenoblade Chronicles 40.39%
Persona 4 Golden 40.22%
Red Dead Redemption 39.55%
Grand Theft Auto V 39.36%
Marvels Spider-Man 36.39%
The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds 35.94%
Fire Emblem: Three Houses 32.60%
Cuphead 31.29%
Minecraft 30.82%
Bayonetta 26.24%
Devil May Cry 5 25.28%
Ori and the Blind Forest 24.62%
Shovel Knight 23.96%
Octopath Traveler 23.78%
Dragon Age: Inquisition 23.68%
Undertale 22.22%
Dead Space 2 21.88%
South Park: The Stick of Truth 21.74%
Overwatch 21.55%
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 21.54%
XCOM 2 19.85%
Death Stranding 19.01%
FTL: Faster Than Light 17.88%
Splatoon 2 17.42%
Dragons Dogma 17.06%
Tekken 7 17.02%
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective 16.71%
Baba Is You 16.32%
Dota 2 14.97%
Mortal Kombat 11 12.36%

Tropical Freeze the turd of the contest confirmed
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HaRRicH
05/09/20 8:37:09 PM
#212:


Also, I think Witcher 3 and Skyrim have gone up or down together every single update so far.

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MechanicalWall
05/09/20 8:37:13 PM
#213:


Nintendogs posted...
So is Persona 5 truly the beneficiary of the Sore Thumb Factor here? That and Persona 4 has looked quite well in taking down western games.
I think Allen did a good job picking images that don't make look Witcher-DkS-Skyrim as aesthetically similar as they actually are

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transience
05/09/20 8:37:25 PM
#214:


well, Fire Emblem has fallen off this year compared to 2015. Xenoblade is a little stronger and probably beats DKC2, but it isn't some 60-40 match or anything.

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Nintendogs
05/09/20 8:37:26 PM
#215:


transience posted...
Xenoblade being strong is good and all, but it's only relative strength. DKC2 would also be close to a top 10 game in this contest.
Is the same true for Sonic 2? Portal 2 lost to that game, making people think that Portal became weak.
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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:37:26 PM
#216:


witcher is just directly a alot stronger than persona 5. Its also more available on other rplatforms.

like is said. If persona was on the same amount of platforms as dark souls /witcher / skyrim. This fourpack would be Personas little bitch.
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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:38:23 PM
#217:


LeonhartFour posted...
X-Stats, part 2:

Division 3+4

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 50.00%
Super Mario Odyssey 44.06%
Xenoblade Chronicles 40.39%
Persona 4 Golden 40.22%
Red Dead Redemption 39.55%
Grand Theft Auto V 39.36%
Marvels Spider-Man 36.39%
The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds 35.94%
Fire Emblem: Three Houses 32.60%
Cuphead 31.29%
Minecraft 30.82%
Bayonetta 26.24%
Devil May Cry 5 25.28%
Ori and the Blind Forest 24.62%
Shovel Knight 23.96%
Octopath Traveler 23.78%
Dragon Age: Inquisition 23.68%
Undertale 22.22%
Dead Space 2 21.88%
South Park: The Stick of Truth 21.74%
Overwatch 21.55%
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 21.54%
XCOM 2 19.85%
Death Stranding 19.01%
FTL: Faster Than Light 17.88%
Splatoon 2 17.42%
Dragons Dogma 17.06%
Tekken 7 17.02%
Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective 16.71%
Baba Is You 16.32%
Dota 2 14.97%
Mortal Kombat 11 12.36%

Tropical Freeze the turd of the contest confirmed


LMAO Donkey Kong. What the fuck
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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 8:38:53 PM
#218:


Nintendogs posted...
Is the same true for Sonic 2? Portal 2 lost to that game, making people think that Portal became weak.
Pretty much anything from the SNES/Genesis era that is strong enough to get enough nominations to make the 2015 contest is bruising through this side of the field.

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Lightning Strikes
05/09/20 8:39:10 PM
#219:


Fus Ro Dah indeed.

transience posted...
Xenoblade being strong is good and all, but it's only relative strength. DKC2 would also be close to a top 10 game in this contest.

I actually think it wouldnt, the top flight of this contest has proved itself.

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KamikazePotato
05/09/20 8:39:17 PM
#220:


There's no real evidence Fire Emblem has fallen. Awakening and Three Houses just ran into opponents that were much stronger than before, and Three Houses failed to reach the expectations we had but it's a new game anyway.

Xenoblade probably gets like 55-56%% on DKC2 now.

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 8:39:58 PM
#221:


MithosLowell posted...
LMAO Donkey Kong. What the fuck
Odyssey got mad SFF'D. You look at that result and think that DK actually DID run into an Odyssey SFF buzzsaw.

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ctesjbuvf
05/09/20 8:40:03 PM
#222:


charmander6000 posted...
Nice to see Persona 5 putting up a great fight, I guess the upset wasn't too crazy after all.

I think it's all downhill from here. Person's board vote is usually incredible and it spat out pretty successful rallies from the get go.

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Anclation
05/09/20 8:40:07 PM
#223:


transience posted...
Xenoblade being strong is good and all, but it's only relative strength. DKC2 would also be close to a top 10 game in this contest.
Dunno about that, it didn't exactly blow out Fire Emblem: Awakening. Xenoblade on the other hand clobbered Fire Emblem: Three Houses.

Three Houses actually scored a tiny bit less on Xenoblade than Xenoblade scored on Smash Ultimate (40,36% VS 40,39%).

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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 8:40:22 PM
#224:


That's it, Persona. Stay in the fight.

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LeonhartFour
05/09/20 8:40:27 PM
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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:40:32 PM
#226:


Lightning Strikes posted...
Fus Ro Dah indeed.

I actually think it wouldnt, the top flight of this contest has proved itself.


i think any respected SNEs GAME does really well. You stick a mario world or FF6 in this contest it gets to BOTW.
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ctesjbuvf
05/09/20 8:41:10 PM
#227:


There might not be clear evidence of Fire Emblem falling, but I'd be surprised if Smash fans wasn't antivoting them.

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LamarJackson
05/09/20 8:41:15 PM
#228:


yeah, Souls is done

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transience
05/09/20 8:41:31 PM
#229:


Nintendogs posted...
Is the same true for Sonic 2? Portal 2 lost to that game, making people think that Portal became weak.

yeah, I think people really underestimate how weak this contest is because we're comparing relative strengths. I said it in my crew writeup so sorry for repeating, but this match is the only four games out of the bottom 64 that actually belong in a big boy game contest. you could have some fodder like Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 3 or whatever but the only games that actually belong are these four.

it reminds me of the 2005 contest, where Mario went to town and Link/Cloud/Seph were relegated to the tournament of champions bracket. Mario whipped everyone so bad that we thought he had a legit shot at Sephiroth.. and then he just got destroyed, just like in 2003.

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ZeldaTPLink
05/09/20 8:41:36 PM
#230:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I think it's all downhill from here. Person's board vote is usually incredible and it spat out pretty successful rallies from the get go.

Top 10 worst ageing posts of 2020
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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 8:42:50 PM
#231:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Top 10 worst ageing posts of 2020
Mind you, Persona 5 is still a massive underdog at this point with everything we know.

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LeonhartFour
05/09/20 8:43:11 PM
#232:


Trend charts:

Time | BOTW | ME2 | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 67.62% | 32.38% | 522 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 68.06% | 31.94% | 3359 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 68.63% | 31.37% | 8534 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 66.16% | 33.84% | 3587 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 68.67% | 31.33% | 5257 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 69.18% | 30.82% | 5153 | (17:00-24:00)

Zelda dips a bit during the Euro vote but is pretty consistent otherwise.

Time | Smash | Xenoblade | Votes | Demographic
EBV | 63.79% | 36.21% | 522 | (0:00-0:05)
PHV | 59.90% | 40.10% | 3359 | (0:00-1:00)
ENV | 61.92% | 38.08% | 8535 | (1:00-6:00)
DNV | 55.69% | 44.31% | 3586 | (6:00-11:00)
TMV | 57.80% | 42.20% | 5265 | (11:00-17:00)
TDV | 60.16% | 39.84% | 5153 | (17:00-24:00)

Smash slowly regains momentum after its rough night vote.
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Nintendogs
05/09/20 8:43:12 PM
#233:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Top 10 worst ageing posts of 2020
The Persona fanbase doesn't go down without a fight. Geralt's gonna have to sweat this one out if he is to survive.
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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:43:23 PM
#234:


If theres a Rally for Persona. Witcher isnt going to be allowed to just run away whit

This the End game saga of the contest now. You bring all your fucking A guns. If Geralt wants to win he has to fight for his Life.
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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 8:43:28 PM
#235:


transience posted...
yeah, I think people really underestimate how weak this contest is because we're comparing relative strengths. I said it in my crew writeup so sorry for repeating, but this match is the only four games out of the bottom 64 that actually belong in a big boy game contest. you could have some fodder like Galaxy 2, Mass Effect 3 or whatever but the only games that actually belong are these four.
That's being pretty disrespectful toward God of War and The Last of Us. The latest GoW is unquestionably the strongest in its series - stronger than the original, which has had success here in the past.

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transience
05/09/20 8:44:05 PM
#236:


maybe. I don't think very highly of God of War, and Last of Us looks to be weaker than Mario Kart 8.

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LiquidOshawott
05/09/20 8:44:23 PM
#237:


Maybe tropical freeze would have been more successful if Nintendo didnt try to package a 5 year old game for 60 bucks

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ctesjbuvf
05/09/20 8:44:27 PM
#238:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Top 10 worst ageing posts of 2020

Lol well, it is still early. I doubt it's close by the end unless I really underestimate the rallies.

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Anclation
05/09/20 8:45:00 PM
#239:


KamikazePotato posted...
There's no real evidence Fire Emblem has fallen. Awakening and Three Houses just ran into opponents that were much stronger than before, and Three Houses failed to reach the expectations we had but it's a new game anyway.

Xenoblade probably gets like 55-56%% on DKC2 now.
Xenoblade's place in the Nintendo hierarchy is an interesting question now. It utterly destroyed Splatoon 2, almost 60 percented Three Houses, and broke 40% on Smash Ultimate.

I assume the GameFAQs Nintendo hierarchy is Zelda-Smash-Mario-Metroid (hell, Metroid might be over Mario nowadays), but after that, what Nintendo series would be above Xenoblade? Fire Emblem is certainly below it, that much is clear.

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LeonhartFour
05/09/20 8:45:36 PM
#240:


Anclation posted...
I assume the GameFAQs Nintendo hierarchy is Zelda-Smash-Mario-Metroid (hell, Metroid might be over Mario nowadays), but after that, what Nintendo series would be above Xenoblade? Fire Emblem is certainly below it, that much is clear.


uhhh put Pokemon in there way above Metroid
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_SecretSquirrel
05/09/20 8:45:39 PM
#241:


CaptainOfCrush posted...
That's being pretty disrespectful toward God of War and The Last of Us. The latest GoW is unquestionably the strongest in its series - stronger than the original, which has had success here in the past.
I don't know about GoW, but Last of Us was 50th place in the 2015 xstats. It's definitely something that comes to mind as a GotD only wonder.

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davidponte
05/09/20 8:45:49 PM
#242:


Well that was an update

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LeonhartFour
05/09/20 8:45:52 PM
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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:46:46 PM
#244:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Maybe tropical freeze would have been more successful if Nintendo didnt try to package a 5 year old game for 60 bucks

Thats Nintendo. The same company who remade LA and charged 60 bucks for a game you can 100% in less than 20 hours.

DK is a great game. But its a wii u game. Thats the bottom line
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Anclation
05/09/20 8:47:27 PM
#245:


LeonhartFour posted...
uhhh put Pokemon in there way above Metroid
Oh, forgot about Pokemon, guess the series is already dead to me, lol. Yeah, that's also above Xenoblade, though it will probably lose ground to the other top Nintendo series due to Game Freak's antics.

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WarThaNemesis2
05/09/20 8:47:46 PM
#246:


I would take Fire Emblem over Metroid with 80% before I would take Metroid over Mario.

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Lightning Strikes
05/09/20 8:47:49 PM
#247:


PRAISE

GERALDO

Also this decade clearly has some big dogs. Also I feel that when you break it down by generation for the fourth and on the distribution of big boy games starts looking pretty even. Generations got a lot longer in the past 15 years after all.

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CaptainOfCrush
05/09/20 8:48:16 PM
#248:


_SecretSquirrel posted...
I don't know about GoW, but Last of Us was 50th place in the 2015 xstats.
50th place makes it plenty worthy to enter a "real" games contest, and at least in the discussion if that contest were limited to 64 entrants.

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ctesjbuvf
05/09/20 8:48:28 PM
#249:


So you were all saying?

Seriously, blasting its rallies from the get go and usual trends in mind, Persona needed to be ahead now.

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MithosLowell
05/09/20 8:48:34 PM
#250:


LeonhartFour posted...
uhhh put Pokemon in there way above Metroid

the only pokemon game relevant is RBY

metroid prime and super would best every other pokemon comfortably.

in fact prime and super would beat most mario games that arent snes nes or n64 ones
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