Current Events > Black man shot/killed while jogging by citizens, still no charges months later

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sktgamer_13dude
05/04/20 2:33:23 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/black-man-shot-dead-while-jogging-southeast-georgia-two-months-n1196621

tl;dr - black man was jogging. Dad (ex-local investigator/cop) and son thinks he matches description of a burglar, grab guns and chase him down run in truck, struggle ensues, son shoots black man and he dies.

Still no charges months later.

Cant wait to see how people spin this.

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Lost_All_Senses
05/04/20 2:34:51 PM
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This is pretty much lynching in 2020 and there's no consequence. We sure are making progress....

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Sewage
05/04/20 2:41:55 PM
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And people still don't think there is a fundamental problem with our country? Even if you don't want to say it was murder, no charges? Yeah there is something deeply wrong to the very core that the right don't want to acknowledge. Two armed men chased down an innocent black man, I don't give a shit if the black man then became the aggressor once they reached him, it's self defense. These aren't cops, the excuse that he should have been compliant flies out the window, all he knew were two armed men that weren't wearing badges were after him. That's life or death shit. This is at the very least manslaughter.
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CreepySmile
05/04/20 2:44:07 PM
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We've had this topic multiple times.
I'm not trying to downplay how serious and disgusting this is but outside of a few troll accounts, every agreed it's completely crazy what they did and they got off and that it was definitely racially motivated and a hate crime.

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Houston
05/04/20 2:45:26 PM
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Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):

"He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.
The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.
"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times."

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sktgamer_13dude
05/04/20 2:47:42 PM
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Oh and forgot to mention that the local DA is recusing himself from the investigation.

Lost_All_Senses posted...
This is pretty much lynching in 2020 and there's no consequence. We sure are making progress....
Why Im interested to see how the usuals will defend this.

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lordofmud
05/04/20 2:48:21 PM
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They rolled up to him and then shot him down. It's crazy. It makes an argument for everyone going armed. If you're just going to be able to roll up and get taken out.

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sktgamer_13dude
05/04/20 2:50:35 PM
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Houston posted...
Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):
Yeah, Im sure youd totally have a calm reaction to two armed men driving a truck by you telling you hey we just wanna talk!

jfc, at least put some effort into your garbage.

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ultimate reaver
05/04/20 2:50:50 PM
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hang them from the neck until dead

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Sewage
05/04/20 2:51:21 PM
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Houston posted...
Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):

"He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.
The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.
"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times."
So the guys with the guns are allowed to protect themselves with lethal force, but unarmed man can't? This is why this shit flies out the window. He was chased down by two armed men, you don't think "oh hey they want a nice conversation" you think "oh shit they are going to cause me harm". I mean they had a fucking shotgun for christ sake.

I can understand no murder charges, but this is clearly manslaughter. If they didn't racially profile him and if they didn't chase im down with a fucking shotgun, no altercation would have happened and an innocent man would be alive. Period. It's fight or flight, its in our fucking nature. You get chased down by men with guns who aren't cops, human nature steps in.
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cardoor123
05/04/20 2:52:11 PM
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I don't get the issue here

The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _
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CreepySmile
05/04/20 2:53:35 PM
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Case in point with post 12

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KStateKing17
05/04/20 2:53:46 PM
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jeffhardyb0yz posted...
Oh boy. It's Trayvon all over again. You get stalked, confront people for following you, get killed, and YOU were the problem
That poster conveniently left out the part where the father is a former investigator and that the man who originally went over the case used to work for him.

The "burglary" happened days prior and even the neighbor jumped in the truck after the father and son decided to chase the jogger.

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Sewage
05/04/20 2:53:47 PM
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cardoor123 posted...
I don't get the issue here

The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _
Maybe don't take the law into your own hands? Maybe don't chase down a man with a shotgun? You know, common sense things. Armed men charge at you, what do you do? You either run away or you defend yourself thinking they are going to hurt you. That's the situation they created, that means its manslaughter.
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Lost_All_Senses
05/04/20 2:54:46 PM
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cardoor123 posted...
I don't get the issue here

The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _

Why are you and your family hunting down people with shotguns over a hunch? Why do you care so little if the person is actually the right guy or not?

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Gen5_AppleJack
05/04/20 2:55:00 PM
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Houston posted...
Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):

"He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.
The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.
"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times."

Oh damn...

Either way, I thought the last news on this was that a new prosecutor was going to be brought in.

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OffTempo
05/04/20 2:55:17 PM
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So they're saying that civilians had probable cause to arm themselves and chase down someone they wrongly thought to be a suspect.

If I'm not mistaken probable cause only applies to on duty police officers to detain people and obtain a warrant. Not to civilians with a concealed carry permit.

The man was ran up on by two white men with guns trained on him and he gets killed while trying to defend himself, meanwhile his attackers are getting off scott free with the grounds that they were enacting self defense?!?!

The fuck is wrong with this country

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MutantJohn
05/04/20 2:57:43 PM
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Systemic racism clearly manifested
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Keith_Valentine
05/04/20 3:08:39 PM
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If these men were close enough to struggle over the gun, it means they were probably drawing on the black guy. They approached with their weapons out. If youre just talking, asking questions, why werent the guns left in the truck? Why did the neighbor tag along? Cuz he wanted in on the action.

Since when can you chase a suspected burglar down with guns, as a civilian? Thats not a thing. Youre supposed to call the cops.

This is manslaughter. Even if the black dude initiated physical conflict, they had guns on him so ge probably felt threatened. Because he was being threatened. Prison sentence for the shooter.
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sktgamer_13dude
05/04/20 3:19:55 PM
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cardoor123 posted...
I don't get the issue here

The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _
Call the cops if you think hes the legit burglar.

Its one thing to keep a tail while you alert law enforcement and another to follow a guy while youre armed because you just want to talk.

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Houston
05/04/20 3:20:23 PM
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KStateKing17 posted...
That poster conveniently left out the part where the father is a former investigator and that the man who originally went over the case used to work for him.

The "burglary" happened days prior and even the neighbor jumped in the truck after the father and son decided to chase the jogger.

The case is getting transferred, so we'll have to see if the original (legal) explanation holds up. I'm not a lawyer and not familiar with Georgia law, so it could entirely be made up. It's not like the first DA gave no explanation whatsoever and just ignored it because of a conflict of interest. We'll see what the 2nd DA says.

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ncsonic
05/04/20 3:21:06 PM
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So sad... even if you are the aggressor (and a white person) all you have to say is "I was in fear for my life" it's the magic words to get away with a murder

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cjsdowg
05/04/20 3:22:15 PM
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Houston posted...
Here's why there may be no charges (from the article):

"He said the father and son had "probable cause" to believe the victim might be a burglar and were within their rights to arm themselves and chase him down.
The prosecutor said video footage of the shooting, made by a neighbor, shows Arbery to be the aggressor.
"Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia Law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself," according to the memo, reported in the New York Times."

You can't be the aggressive if people literally chase you down with guns .

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hockeybub89
05/04/20 3:24:01 PM
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Can't believe a man got scared and tried to fight when people chased him down and pulled a shotgun on him



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Orlando_Jordan
05/04/20 3:27:41 PM
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Do we know for a fact that he WASN'T the burglar?

He behaved aggressively and tried to grab a shotgun instead of saying "I'm not the burglar." That leads me to believe he could actually be the burglar.

The moment he started a fight with someone who had a gun was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the burglar or not.

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cjsdowg
05/04/20 3:30:40 PM
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Orlando_Jordan posted...
Do we know for a fact that he WASN'T the burglar?

He behaved aggressively and tried to grab a shotgun instead of saying "I'm not the burglar." That leads me to believe he could actually be the burglar.

The moment he started a fight with someone who had a gun was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the burglar or not.

So if someone chases you down and draws a gun on you , are you got to set there and let them shot are you going to fight for your life.

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hockeybub89
05/04/20 3:31:49 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
So if someone chases you down and draws a gun on you , are you got to set there and let them shot are you going to fight for your life.
Clearly he is going to calmly initiate a parley and then they'll laugh after the misunderstanding is cleared up.

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Houston
05/04/20 3:32:02 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Can't believe a man got scared and tried to fight when people chased him down and pulled a shotgun on him


Do we know they "pulled a shotgun" on him? The article doesn't mention how the weapons were being used or if he was being held at gunpoint. I'd be interested in seeing the video, that would probably offer quite a bit of insight.

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Smashingpmkns
05/04/20 3:32:28 PM
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Should execute the dad and son with one bullet.
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ultimate reaver
05/04/20 3:33:48 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
So if someone chases you down and draws a gun on you , are you got to set there and let them shot are you going to fight for your life.

he will do a cool matrix dodge and disarm them while explaining his innocence

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KyerWiz
05/04/20 3:34:23 PM
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So, just to be consistent, would it have been self-defense if the victim pulled out a gun and shot those armed people chasing him?
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Orlando_Jordan
05/04/20 3:34:34 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
So if someone chases you down and draws a gun on you , are you got to set there and let them shot are you going to fight for your life.
The details here matter. If they pointed the shotgun at him, that's a crime. If they didn't point the shotgun at him, he shouldn't have attacked.

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monkmith
05/04/20 3:35:36 PM
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Houston posted...
Do we know they "pulled a shotgun" on him? The article doesn't mention how the weapons were being used or if he was being held at gunpoint. I'd be interested in seeing the video, that would probably offer quite a bit of insight.
black man in the south sees two white boys roll up with guns, what the fuck do you expect the reaction to be?

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apocalyptic_4
05/04/20 3:37:28 PM
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How would CE react if a pair of people the opposite ethnicity as you pulled up on you on the street imposing that your a suspect knowing their intentions is from a racist prejudice against you.


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monkmith
05/04/20 3:40:08 PM
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what this really proves is that "stand your ground" laws are just bullshit that empower dumbasses to do stupid shit like this. you should not have the right to go out looking for a fight just so you can end it by shooting someone to death.

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hockeybub89
05/04/20 3:40:47 PM
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No one here can actually tell me they'd be fine with armed men in a truck chasing them down and demanding to talk.

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Keith_Valentine
05/04/20 3:42:04 PM
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Orlando_Jordan posted...
The details here matter. If they pointed the shotgun at him, that's a crime. If they didn't point the shotgun at him, he shouldn't have attacked.

They shouldnt have walked up on him armed, period. They arent cops. What were they gonna do, man? Really? Best case, how does this end well when you grab guns and chase down a crime suspect? Civilian arrest maybe, thats hardly even legal. Imagine if armed citizebs start chasing down and homding people at gunpoint they suspect of a crime. How long till that gets out of control , answer: immediately
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cjsdowg
05/04/20 3:42:38 PM
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Orlando_Jordan posted...
The details here matter. If they pointed the shotgun at him, that's a crime. If they didn't point the shotgun at him, he shouldn't have attacked.

Do me favor, take a shotgun , and chase down a cop while yelling at him. Came back here after you do and tell us about your day .

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yemmy
05/04/20 3:42:58 PM
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monkmith posted...
black man in the south sees two white boys roll up with guns, what the fuck do you expect the reaction to be?

Does it say they were white? Are there pictures?

Is it just assumed it was white boys?

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1NfamousACE_2
05/04/20 3:45:30 PM
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Legal lynching

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monkmith
05/04/20 3:46:10 PM
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yemmy posted...
Does it say they were white? Are there pictures?

Is it just assumed it was white boys?
you realize they identified the shooters right? i've no idea what the article shows, because i didn't read it, but i've heard about this case several times and the two guys are clearly white...

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Funkydog
05/04/20 3:46:26 PM
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Well maybe he shouldn't have been jogging while black?

"Clearly" had it coming too, by getting pissed off about being chased. Everyone knows you put your best smile on when armed people hunt you down.

Downright disgusting this happened, no matter the man's reaction. He was hounded and harassed and then killed for it.

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cjsdowg
05/04/20 3:47:13 PM
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yemmy posted...
Does it say they were white? Are there pictures?

Is it just assumed it was white boys?

They look like too "Good ol boys'
So yeah they are white , they is white they are in jail. They in hike as Southern where everyone is like Orlando Jordan trying to find excuses for these people .

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yemmy
05/04/20 3:53:00 PM
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monkmith posted...
you realize they identified the shooters right? i've no idea what the article shows, because i didn't read it, but i've heard about this case several times and the two guys are clearly white...

It was a legit question, I went through the article for pictures.

I don't know shit about this case. Nor am I gonna act like I have any idea what happened here.

I don't want anyone to get shot but I'm not playing the role of outrage police here because I'm not a juror or lawyer involved

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UnfairRepresent
05/04/20 3:58:07 PM
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Yeah it's pretty sickening. The more you look into the case the more indefensible it is

jeffhardyb0yz posted...


Oh boy. It's Trayvon all over again. You get stalked, confront people for following you, get killed, and YOU were the problem

Disagree.

Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him.

These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear.

If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day.
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monkmith
05/04/20 3:58:49 PM
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yemmy posted...
It was a legit question, I went through the article for pictures.

I don't know shit about this case. Nor am I gonna act like I have any idea what happened here.

I don't want anyone to get shot but I'm not playing the role of outrage police here because I'm not a juror or lawyer involved
sorry, throbbing headache makes me prone to be a bit bitchy...

its just that cases like this piss me off. stand your ground laws keep coming up and showing that they're just an excuse for wild west "justice".

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DarkRoast
05/04/20 4:01:29 PM
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Meanwhile conservatives can dress like this and march on government property and have no problems. It's disgusting.

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marc55
05/04/20 4:01:36 PM
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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/ahmaud-arbery-jogging-georgia-shooting/index.html

when police notified her of her son's death, she was told her son was involved in a burglary and that there was a confrontation between her son and the homeowner and a struggle over a gun.

they lied to the mother about how he died


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1NfamousACE_2
05/04/20 4:03:54 PM
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marc55 posted...
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/04/us/ahmaud-arbery-jogging-georgia-shooting/index.html

they lied to the mother about how he died

Didn't come up with a good enough story yet

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