killed while jogging by citizens, still no charges months later

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CapnMuffin 05/04/20 4:05:05 PM #51:	How the victim responded is not the problem here. He could have stopped and reached into his pocket to turn off his music player and still got shot. Based on previous cases: Is there any action taken in these situations that guarantees the minoritys safety? Because Im thinking no and thats fucked up. Its fucked up that a man can go jogging and basically be rolling the dice with being murdered. --- Parent or parent-to-be? Come join us: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1027-all-things-parenthood NNID : CapnMuffin \| XBGT : Capn Muffin <cite>CapnMuffin posted [p:938601179] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>How the victim responded is not the problem here. He could have stopped and reached into his pocket to turn off his music player and still got shot. Based on previous cases: Is there any action taken in these situations that guarantees the minoritys safety? Because Im thinking no and thats fucked up. Its fucked up that a man can go jogging and basically be rolling the dice with being murdered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/04/20 4:06:33 PM #52:	Isnt this basically trayvon again? People thought that was ok... absolutely vile people... but this is the same thing... --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938601241] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Isnt this basically trayvon again? People thought that was ok... absolutely vile people... but this is the same thing... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/04/20 4:10:35 PM #53:	I looked into the state's citizens arrest laws which the first prosecutor cited when he declined to charge them. Things is, just by there being 3 of them with guns trying to surround someone in this circumstance, they couldn't have reasonably been in accordance with the law, there was no reasonable proof that the guy was commiting a crime or fleeing from a felony. So neither circumstances that would allow for the father or son to citizens arrest would apply. And the neighbor joining in also would be an obvious violation because he hadn't witnessed any of it. Basically, at the very least we've got all 3 of them on illegally detaining someone even before the gun related threats would come in to play. And in that regard, a man being illegally detained and fighting back to escape HAS been held up in the man's favor before in the state. So yes, this constitutes murder because they killed a man they had illegally detained. At the very least, the father and son should be charged with murder and illegally detaining while the neighbor should get an illegal detention and accessory to murder charge. Thing is, even with a different prosecutor I have zero reason to believe that any of them will ever be charged on any of these crimes or even egregiously lessened ones. This is a modern day lynching. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:938601448] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>I looked into the state's citizens arrest laws which the first prosecutor cited when he declined to charge them. Things is, just by there being 3 of them with guns trying to surround someone in this circumstance, they couldn't have reasonably been in accordance with the law, there was no reasonable proof that the guy was commiting a crime or fleeing from a felony. So neither circumstances that would allow for the father or son to citizens arrest would apply. And the neighbor joining in also would be an obvious violation because he hadn't witnessed any of it. Basically, at the very least we've got all 3 of them on illegally detaining someone even before the gun related threats would come in to play. And in that regard, a man being illegally detained and fighting back to escape HAS been held up in the man's favor before in the state. So yes, this constitutes murder because they killed a man they had illegally detained. At the very least, the father and son should be charged with murder and illegally detaining while the neighbor should get an illegal detention and accessory to murder charge. Thing is, even with a different prosecutor I have zero reason to believe that any of them will ever be charged on any of these crimes or even egregiously lessened ones. This is a modern day lynching. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/04/20 4:15:20 PM #54:	CapnMuffin posted... How the victim responded is not the problem here. He could have stopped and reached into his pocket to turn off his music player and still got shot. Based on previous cases: Is there any action taken in these situations that guarantees the minoritys safety? Because Im thinking no and thats fucked up. Its fucked up that a man can go jogging and basically be rolling the dice with being murdered. The only way the guy would have had a chance is if he raised his hands up, got on the ground, let them tie him up, then let them hand him in to the police where he'd probably have been charged with something. And sure, he might have ended up being cleared of those charges, but it would have muddied things up enough that he'd not be able to sue them or the police for illegal detention/ deprivation of his freedom. Which is to say, best case he'd maybe be alive, still in jail right now, but in a few months and tens of thousands of dollars later he would be released from jail having had the charges dropped. You know, "freedom". Sigh But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:938601681] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>CapnMuffin posted... </cite> <quote>How the victim responded is not the problem here. He could have stopped and reached into his pocket to turn off his music player and still got shot. Based on previous cases: Is there any action taken in these situations that guarantees the minoritys safety? Because Im thinking no and thats fucked up. Its fucked up that a man can go jogging and basically be rolling the dice with being murdered.</quote>The only way the guy would have had a chance is if he raised his hands up, got on the ground, let them tie him up, then let them hand him in to the police where he'd probably have been charged with something. And sure, he might have ended up being cleared of those charges, but it would have muddied things up enough that he'd not be able to sue them or the police for illegal detention/ deprivation of his freedom. Which is to say, best case he'd maybe be alive, still in jail right now, but in a few months and tens of thousands of dollars later he would be released from jail having had the charges dropped. You know, "freedom". Sigh But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 05/04/20 4:20:40 PM #55:	Pulling out the shotgun in the first place should be considered starting a fight. A gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy something. There is no need to have one if you want to "just talk". Add one more to the pile of stuff things you're not allowed to do while black: jogging. Just give it a few days and they'll find that he did weed or something at one point in his life which "justifies" all of this. --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ 12-18-19: Donald Trump has been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:938601971] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Pulling out the shotgun in the first place should be considered starting a fight. A gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy something. There is no need to have one if you want to "just talk". Add one more to the pile of stuff things you're not allowed to do while black: jogging. Just give it a few days and they'll find that he did weed or something at one point in his life which "justifies" all of this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 05/04/20 4:22:18 PM #56:	Umbreon posted... A gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy something. You better tell all those guys who enjoy target shooting that they aren't using a gun for it's sole purpose. --- GOML <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:938602057] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite> <quote>A gun's sole purpose is to kill or destroy something.</quote>You better tell all those guys who enjoy target shooting that they aren't using a gun for it's sole purpose. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 05/04/20 4:22:40 PM #57:	gunplagirl posted... But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence. Yep. Remember that caretaker who was shot despite doing everything the officer told him to do, including getting on the ground with his hands up? Was asked why he shot him anyway "I don't know". --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ 12-18-19: Donald Trump has been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:938602078] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence.</quote> Yep. Remember that caretaker who was shot despite doing everything the officer told him to do, including getting on the ground with his hands up? Was asked why he shot him anyway "I don't know". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fan357 05/04/20 4:23:45 PM #58:	Pepys Monster posted... You better tell all those guys who enjoy target shooting that they aren't using a gun for it's sole purpose. Like destroying targets? --- Never forget where you came from. <cite>fan357 posted [p:938602125] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Pepys Monster posted... </cite> <quote>You better tell all those guys who enjoy target shooting that they aren't using a gun for it's sole purpose.</quote> Like destroying targets? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pepys Monster 05/04/20 4:25:45 PM #59:	fan357 posted... Like destroying targets? Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally. --- GOML <cite>Pepys Monster posted [p:938602234] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>fan357 posted... </cite> <quote>Like destroying targets?</quote>Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 4:26:15 PM #60:	Rika_Furude posted... Isnt this basically trayvon again? People thought that was ok... absolutely vile people... but this is the same thing... Except it's not the same thing at all Orlando_Jordan posted... Do we know for a fact that he WASN'T the burglar? Doesn't matter either way He behaved aggressively and tried to grab a shotgun instead of saying "I'm not the burglar." That leads me to believe he could actually be the burglar. The moment he started a fight with someone who had a gun was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the burglar or not. Two guys chased him in a truck, jumped out with a gun drawn and screamed at him. In that moment fight or flight kicks in. You can't blame the dude for "Starting a fight" or not reacting rationally. He was directly being threatened. This is at best manslaughter and possibly murder. No charge at all is insane. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938602265] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt this basically trayvon again? People thought that was ok... absolutely vile people... but this is the same thing... </quote> Except it's not the same thing at all Orlando_Jordan posted...</cite> <quote>Do we know for a fact that he WASN'T the burglar?</quote> Doesn't matter either way <quote>He behaved aggressively and tried to grab a shotgun instead of saying "I'm not the burglar." That leads me to believe he could actually be the burglar. The moment he started a fight with someone who had a gun was the moment he fucked up, regardless of whether he was the burglar or not. </quote> Two guys chased him in a truck, jumped out with a gun drawn and screamed at him. In that moment fight or flight kicks in. You can't blame the dude for "Starting a fight" or not reacting rationally. He was directly being threatened. This is at best manslaughter and possibly murder. No charge at all is insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thebatz 05/04/20 4:28:08 PM #61:	cardoor123 posted... I don't get the issue here The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _ The issue is the father and son should have called police not take out deadly weapons and confront a suspect. This could have all been avoided. --- Toronto Maple Leafs <cite>thebatz posted [p:938602364] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>cardoor123 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't get the issue here The guy fit the description of a burglar roaming around the area, and he started the fight and grabbed a shotgun. Why wouldn't you defend yourself against that? It's either you or your family or them, and I don't know about you guys but I'm picking myself and my family every single time. _</quote>The issue is the father and son should have called police not take out deadly weapons and confront a suspect. This could have all been avoided. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/04/20 4:28:31 PM #62:	Umbreon posted... Yep. Remember that caretaker who was shot despite doing everything the officer told him to do, including getting on the ground with his hands up? Was asked why he shot him anyway "I don't know". They didn't just find in favor of the officers behavior but they reiterated that the victim had no right to sue, right? Sigh "Get Out" was a documentary according to Jordan Peele. But plenty of people could sit there and watch it and think it was just a horror film that isn't based on real life at all. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:938602380] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite> <quote>Yep. Remember that caretaker who was shot despite doing everything the officer told him to do, including getting on the ground with his hands up? Was asked why he shot him anyway "I don't know".</quote>They didn't just find in favor of the officers behavior but they reiterated that the victim had no right to sue, right? Sigh "Get Out" was a documentary according to Jordan Peele. But plenty of people could sit there and watch it and think it was just a horror film that isn't based on real life at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/04/20 4:29:45 PM #63:	gunplagirl posted... The only way the guy would have had a chance is if he raised his hands up, got on the ground, let them tie him up, then let them hand him in to the police where he'd probably have been charged with something. And sure, he might have ended up being cleared of those charges, but it would have muddied things up enough that he'd not be able to sue them or the police for illegal detention/ deprivation of his freedom. Which is to say, best case he'd maybe be alive, still in jail right now, but in a few months and tens of thousands of dollars later he would be released from jail having had the charges dropped. You know, "freedom". Sigh But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence. So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens? --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:938602441] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>The only way the guy would have had a chance is if he raised his hands up, got on the ground, let them tie him up, then let them hand him in to the police where he'd probably have been charged with something. And sure, he might have ended up being cleared of those charges, but it would have muddied things up enough that he'd not be able to sue them or the police for illegal detention/ deprivation of his freedom. Which is to say, best case he'd maybe be alive, still in jail right now, but in a few months and tens of thousands of dollars later he would be released from jail having had the charges dropped. You know, "freedom". Sigh But realistically, they'd probably have shot him regardless, they clearly were eager to blame someone for the break ins and he was guilty of existing while black in their presence.</quote>So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R1masher 05/04/20 4:29:54 PM #64:	Hard to tell who the trolls are itt --- R1R1R1R1R1R1 <cite>R1masher posted [p:938602456] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Hard to tell who the trolls are itt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 05/04/20 4:30:23 PM #65:	This is south Gawga, we already know what time it is. The DA tried to have that good ole boy network on hand by not recusing himself and not charge these guys. --- "If you want to move fast, practice slowly...if you want to move like lightning, practice in stillness." <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:938602481] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>This is south Gawga, we already know what time it is. The DA tried to have that good ole boy network on hand by not recusing himself and not charge these guys. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fan357 05/04/20 4:31:13 PM #66:	Pepys Monster posted... Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally. Yes. Yes you literally did. --- Never forget where you came from. <cite>fan357 posted [p:938602524] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Pepys Monster posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally.</quote> Yes. Yes you literally did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/04/20 4:31:17 PM #67:	Pepys Monster posted... Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally. trying way to hard... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:938602529] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Pepys Monster posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine calling punching holes in paper accurately "destroying targets." I destroyed that paper, bro. Totally.</quote>trying way to hard... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/04/20 4:31:39 PM #68:	UnfairRepresent posted... Except it's not the same thing at all What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938602548] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Except it's not the same thing at all</quote>What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/04/20 4:32:09 PM #69:	ScazarMeltex posted... So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens? in a fair court, he'd get off. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:938602568] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens?</quote>in a fair court, he'd get off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 05/04/20 4:33:11 PM #70:	Citizens arrest is a joke --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:938602613] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Citizens arrest is a joke </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 4:33:27 PM #71:	thebatz posted... The issue is the father and son should have called police not take out deadly weapons and confront a suspect. This could have all been avoided. It's worse than that. They actually did call the police. Then chased him anyway. Here's the transcript: Caller: Theres a guy in the house right now, its under construction. Dispatcher: And you said someones breaking into it right now? Caller: No, its all open. Its under construction ... and there he goes right now. Dispatcher: OK, what is he doing? Caller: He is running down the street. Dispatcher: Thats fine I will get police out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be? Caller: He has been caught on camera a bunch at night. Its kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think hes not going to finish it. Dispatch: OK, thats fine. And you said he was a male in a black T-shirt? Caller: White T-shirt. Black guy, white T-shirt. Hes done run into the neighborhood again. Then for some reason they hung up. Grabbed their gun, jumped in a truck, chased him and called the cops 2nd time Caller: Im out here at Satilla Shores, theres a black male running down the street. Dispatch: Where at Satilla Shores? Caller: I dont know what street were on. Stop! Watch that. Stop. Stop. The caller does not respond to dispatch after that. And by their own version of events, they jumped out of the truck yelling with guns drawn and then the guy attacked them. It seems pretty indefensible to me. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938602625] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>thebatz posted...</cite> <quote> The issue is the father and son should have called police not take out deadly weapons and confront a suspect. This could have all been avoided. </quote> It's worse than that. They actually did call the police. Then chased him anyway. Here's the transcript: Caller: Theres a guy in the house right now, its under construction. Dispatcher: And you said someones breaking into it right now? Caller: No, its all open. Its under construction ... and there he goes right now. Dispatcher: OK, what is he doing? Caller: He is running down the street. Dispatcher: Thats fine I will get police out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be? Caller: He has been caught on camera a bunch at night. Its kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think hes not going to finish it. Dispatch: OK, thats fine. And you said he was a male in a black T-shirt? Caller: White T-shirt. Black guy, white T-shirt. Hes done run into the neighborhood again. Then for some reason they hung up. Grabbed their gun, jumped in a truck, chased him and called the cops 2nd time Caller: Im out here at Satilla Shores, theres a black male running down the street. Dispatch: Where at Satilla Shores? Caller: I dont know what street were on. Stop! Watch that. Stop. Stop. The caller does not respond to dispatch after that. And by their own version of events, they jumped out of the truck yelling with guns drawn and then the guy attacked them. It seems pretty indefensible to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/04/20 4:33:47 PM #72:	Rika_Furude posted... What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say its not "exactly the same" because the guy here didn't get the chance to attack the guy who decided to play police and follow him. but the key point that is "exactly the same" is that these two grabbed their gun and decided to play cop. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:938602644] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say</quote>its not "exactly the same" because the guy here didn't get the chance to attack the guy who decided to play police and follow him. but the key point that is "exactly the same" is that these two grabbed their gun and decided to play cop. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 4:36:00 PM #73:	Rika_Furude posted... What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say I already said and you cowardly ignored the post: Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him. These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear. If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day. Defending yourself from someone who followed you, attacked you and was beating you to death vs Chasing someone in a truck (with 2 of you) and screaming at them while jumping out and waving a gun around. The former is obvious 101 Self-defense, almost a literal textbook hypothetical explaination of what self-defense is. The later is 2 crazy dudes acting like violent criminals. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938602735] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote> What are the differences? Of course you wont actually say </quote> I already said and you cowardly ignored the post: Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him. These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear. If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day. Defending yourself from someone who followed you, attacked you and was beating you to death vs Chasing someone in a truck (with 2 of you) and screaming at them while jumping out and waving a gun around. The former is obvious 101 Self-defense, almost a literal textbook hypothetical explaination of what self-defense is. The later is 2 crazy dudes acting like violent criminals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/04/20 4:37:40 PM #74:	ScazarMeltex posted... So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens? The two couldn't be held true at the same time. If the group had been in accordance with the law and rightfully able to perform a citizens arrest, then the person trying to escape would not legally be allowed to defend themselves. If on the other hand the group was illegally detaining him, then as he'd have been protecting his rights, freedom, and it would be reasonably inferred that his life was in danger? He'd have been allowed to defend himself, in theory. In reality, he'd probably be charged with murdering them and be sentenced. Even pleading down, he'd not ever be a free man again. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:938602796] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>So, suppose if this guy had his own gun and the instant he saw 2 men with guns approaching him he had used his own gun and killed them both. If technically these guys were operating legally under citizen's arrest laws, and he was operating legally under a stand your ground law, what happens?</quote>The two couldn't be held true at the same time. If the group had been in accordance with the law and rightfully able to perform a citizens arrest, then the person trying to escape would not legally be allowed to defend themselves. If on the other hand the group was illegally detaining him, then as he'd have been protecting his rights, freedom, and it would be reasonably inferred that his life was in danger? He'd have been allowed to defend himself, in theory. In reality, he'd probably be charged with murdering them and be sentenced. Even pleading down, he'd not ever be a free man again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/04/20 4:37:45 PM #75:	Bury your head in the sand some more UR --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938602801] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Bury your head in the sand some more UR </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/04/20 4:37:49 PM #76:	UnfairRepresent posted... I already said and you cowardly ignored the post: Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him. These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear. If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day. Defending yourself from someone who followed you, attacked you and was beating you to death vs Chasing someone in a truck (with 2 of you) and screaming at them while jumping out and waving a gun around. The former is obvious 101 Self-defense, almost a literal textbook hypothetical explaination of what self-defense is. The later is 2 crazy dudes acting like violent criminals. ...you realize it was zimmerman who was following travon right? --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:938602804] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I already said and you cowardly ignored the post: Travyon left his home, followed Zimmerman. Jumped out from a bush, attacked Zimmerman, mounted him and punched his face repeatedly. The back of Zimmerman's head smashed into the sidewalk on each blow, blood was pouring into Zimmerman's eyes and mouth so he couldn't see or breathe, he was pleading for mercy and Travyon was continuing to punch him while saying he was going to die. Then Zimmerman shot Trayvon, didn't realize Trayvon had died and tried to restrain him. These guys grabbed a shotgun, chased this dude in a truck, jumped out of their truck with their gun out yelling and screaming at him, then shot him when he came at them in fear. If you're legimately claiming that you cannot tell the difference between these two events then you're either a liar or insane IMO. The difference is night and day. Defending yourself from someone who followed you, attacked you and was beating you to death vs Chasing someone in a truck (with 2 of you) and screaming at them while jumping out and waving a gun around. The former is obvious 101 Self-defense, almost a literal textbook hypothetical explaination of what self-defense is. The later is 2 crazy dudes acting like violent criminals.</quote>...you realize it was zimmerman who was following travon right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thebatz 05/04/20 4:38:59 PM #77:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's worse than that. They actually did call the police. Then chased him anyway. Here's the transcript: Caller: Theres a guy in the house right now, its under construction. Dispatcher: And you said someones breaking into it right now? Caller: No, its all open. Its under construction ... and there he goes right now. Dispatcher: OK, what is he doing? Caller: He is running down the street. Dispatcher: Thats fine I will get police out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be? Caller: He has been caught on camera a bunch at night. Its kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think hes not going to finish it. Dispatch: OK, thats fine. And you said he was a male in a black T-shirt? Caller: White T-shirt. Black guy, white T-shirt. Hes done run into the neighborhood again. Then for some reason they hung up. Grabbed their gun, jumped in a truck, chased him and called the cops 2nd time Caller: Im out here at Satilla Shores, theres a black male running down the street. Dispatch: Where at Satilla Shores? Caller: I dont know what street were on. Stop! Watch that. Stop. Stop. The caller does not respond to dispatch after that. And by their own version of events, they jumped out of the truck yelling with guns drawn and then the guy attacked them. It seems pretty indefensible to me. Even then they should be smart and not get involved. They have absolutely zero crisis intervention training that could have been employed. Worst of all what if the guy was armed. The father put his son's well-being in danger. There's a big difference how people react if a police officer confronts someone rather than 2 armed civilians. Officer presence is an actual thing and most people would not act irrationally if they were stopped by an officer. --- Toronto Maple Leafs <cite>thebatz posted [p:938602864] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>It's worse than that. They actually did call the police. Then chased him anyway. Here's the transcript: Caller: Theres a guy in the house right now, its under construction. Dispatcher: And you said someones breaking into it right now? Caller: No, its all open. Its under construction ... and there he goes right now. Dispatcher: OK, what is he doing? Caller: He is running down the street. Dispatcher: Thats fine I will get police out there. I just need to know what he was doing wrong. Was he just on the premises and not supposed to be? Caller: He has been caught on camera a bunch at night. Its kind of an ongoing thing. The man building the house has got heart issues. I think hes not going to finish it. Dispatch: OK, thats fine. And you said he was a male in a black T-shirt? Caller: White T-shirt. Black guy, white T-shirt. Hes done run into the neighborhood again. Then for some reason they hung up. Grabbed their gun, jumped in a truck, chased him and called the cops 2nd time Caller: Im out here at Satilla Shores, theres a black male running down the street. Dispatch: Where at Satilla Shores? Caller: I dont know what street were on. Stop! Watch that. Stop. Stop. The caller does not respond to dispatch after that. And by their own version of events, they jumped out of the truck yelling with guns drawn and then the guy attacked them. It seems pretty indefensible to me.</quote>Even then they should be smart and not get involved. They have absolutely zero crisis intervention training that could have been employed. Worst of all what if the guy was armed. The father put his son's well-being in danger. There's a big difference how people react if a police officer confronts someone rather than 2 armed civilians. Officer presence is an actual thing and most people would not act irrationally if they were stopped by an officer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 4:40:44 PM #78:	Rika_Furude posted... Bury your head in the sand some more UR And what a surprise , you evaded it again monkmith posted... ...you realize it was zimmerman who was following travon right? CNN told you that right? Someone else who didn't follow the trial and goes solely off emotion and rhetoric Zimmerman lost Trayvon. Turned around and went back towards his car. Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him. Trayvon followed Zimmerman. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938602948] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Bury your head in the sand some more UR </quote> And what a surprise , you evaded it again monkmith posted...</cite> <quote> ...you realize it was zimmerman who was following travon right? </quote> CNN told you that right? Someone else who didn't follow the trial and goes solely off emotion and rhetoric Zimmerman lost Trayvon. Turned around and went back towards his car. Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him. Trayvon followed Zimmerman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/04/20 4:40:54 PM #79:	monkmith posted... in a fair court, he'd get off. Ok. So basically what this situation then is saying from a legal perspective is everyone should be armed at all times, if anyone approaches you in a way you "deem threatening" then proceed to blast them and use stand your ground as the defense. Because what happened here was these two fucking clowns armed themselves and attempted to apprehend a guy. This guy, having no clue who the fucking armed goons were that were trying to detain him and he in fear for his life attempted to take away one of their weapons (they could have been trying to rob him for all he knew). They shoot and kill him and somehow they are in the right legally. But if he had a gun and had killed them, he would be in the right legally. So by trying to defend himself with his hands, legally he was in the wrong. Had he done it with a gun, legally he would have been in the right. This country is fucked. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:938602955] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>in a fair court, he'd get off.</quote>Ok. So basically what this situation then is saying from a legal perspective is everyone should be armed at all times, if anyone approaches you in a way you "deem threatening" then proceed to blast them and use stand your ground as the defense. Because what happened here was these two fucking clowns armed themselves and attempted to apprehend a guy. This guy, having no clue who the fucking armed goons were that were trying to detain him and he in fear for his life attempted to take away one of their weapons (they could have been trying to rob him for all he knew). They shoot and kill him and somehow they are in the right legally. But if he had a gun and had killed them, he would be in the right legally. So by trying to defend himself with his hands, legally he was in the wrong. Had he done it with a gun, legally he would have been in the right. This country is fucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 05/04/20 4:41:28 PM #80:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... Citizens arrest is a joke I have to know the laws since they're on the test to get my unarmed security license to be a security guard in the state of Oregon. Know what the best advice we have regarding them is? Unless an officer deputizes you, it's almost never worth trying to do anything to physically apprehend a suspect. You open yourself up to physical and legal risks, as well as risks to the client and company and of course if you're wrong, it's all going to come crashing down hard on you. Even if you were right, most companies won't protect you, at all. Hell. A guy for my company had a woman try and jump from the rooftop of his building. He tried to grab her but couldn't lift her back up and she fell. He got sued and let go from the company. While I think the company got the lawsuit against themselves and the guy dropped, the fact he got involved was the wrong choice with regards to his duties. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:938602982] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Unsugarized_Foo posted... </cite> <quote>Citizens arrest is a joke</quote>I have to know the laws since they're on the test to get my unarmed security license to be a security guard in the state of Oregon. Know what the best advice we have regarding them is? Unless an officer deputizes you, it's almost never worth trying to do anything to physically apprehend a suspect. You open yourself up to physical and legal risks, as well as risks to the client and company and of course if you're wrong, it's all going to come crashing down hard on you. Even if you were right, most companies won't protect you, at all. Hell. A guy for my company had a woman try and jump from the rooftop of his building. He tried to grab her but couldn't lift her back up and she fell. He got sued and let go from the company. While I think the company got the lawsuit against themselves and the guy dropped, the fact he got involved was the wrong choice with regards to his duties. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/04/20 4:42:54 PM #81:	UnfairRepresent posted... And what a surprise , you evaded it again CNN told you that right? Someone else who didn't follow the trial and goes solely off emotion and rhetoric Zimmerman lost Trayvon. Turned around and went back towards his car. Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him. Trayvon followed Zimmerman. Because youre flat out wrong. At this point its obvious your "be hypocritical at all costs" gimmick will prevent you from having any sort of meaningful discussion. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938603047] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>And what a surprise , you evaded it again CNN told you that right? Someone else who didn't follow the trial and goes solely off emotion and rhetoric Zimmerman lost Trayvon. Turned around and went back towards his car. Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him. Trayvon followed Zimmerman.</quote>Because youre flat out wrong. At this point its obvious your "be hypocritical at all costs" gimmick will prevent you from having any sort of meaningful discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 05/04/20 4:43:45 PM #82:	gunplagirl posted... I have to know the laws since they're on the test to get my unarmed security license to be a security guard in the state of Oregon. Know what the best advice we have regarding them is? Unless an officer deputizes you, it's almost never worth trying to do anything to physically apprehend a suspect. You open yourself up to physical and legal risks, as well as risks to the client and company and of course if you're wrong, it's all going to come crashing down hard on you. Even if you were right, most companies won't protect you, at all. Hell. A guy for my company had a woman try and jump from the rooftop of his building. He tried to grab her but couldn't lift her back up and she fell. He got sued and let go from the company. While I think the company got the lawsuit against themselves and the guy dropped, the fact he got involved was the wrong choice with regards to his duties. Good Samaritan rules tend to protect people acting as private citizens in most situations. This guy got fucked because he was acting as a representative of the company because he was on the clock. Had he done it on his own time I think it would have been fine. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:938603093] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>I have to know the laws since they're on the test to get my unarmed security license to be a security guard in the state of Oregon. Know what the best advice we have regarding them is? Unless an officer deputizes you, it's almost never worth trying to do anything to physically apprehend a suspect. You open yourself up to physical and legal risks, as well as risks to the client and company and of course if you're wrong, it's all going to come crashing down hard on you. Even if you were right, most companies won't protect you, at all. Hell. A guy for my company had a woman try and jump from the rooftop of his building. He tried to grab her but couldn't lift her back up and she fell. He got sued and let go from the company. While I think the company got the lawsuit against themselves and the guy dropped, the fact he got involved was the wrong choice with regards to his duties.</quote>Good Samaritan rules tend to protect people acting as private citizens in most situations. This guy got fucked because he was acting as a representative of the company because he was on the clock. Had he done it on his own time I think it would have been fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 4:45:35 PM #83:	Rika_Furude posted... Because youre flat out wrong Except I'm not. I'm just pointing out facts. There's a reason you can do nothing but evade them Rika_Furude posted... At this point its obvious your "be hypocritical at all costs" gimmick will prevent you from having any sort of meaningful discussion. Ad homiem. You have no actual reasoning for pretending that Trayvon was anything like this except that the media duped you at the time and you're too proud to admit you fell for it. So you just lie lie lie lie lie and insult people rather than admit a small amount of fault. Why are you unwilling to follow the trial? Look at the evidence? This stuff isn't even disputed. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938603176] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>Because youre flat out wrong</quote> Except I'm not. I'm just pointing out facts. There's a reason you can do nothing but evade them Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote>At this point its obvious your "be hypocritical at all costs" gimmick will prevent you from having any sort of meaningful discussion. </quote> Ad homiem. You have no actual reasoning for pretending that Trayvon was anything like this except that the media duped you at the time and you're too proud to admit you fell for it. So you just lie lie lie lie lie and insult people rather than admit a small amount of fault. Why are you unwilling to follow the trial? Look at the evidence? This stuff isn't even disputed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 05/04/20 4:56:46 PM #84:	UnfairRepresent posted... Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him. where are you even getting this? because every source i look up suggests that the minute between the call to the cops ending and the fight starting would either be far to short for that to happen or would only be a possibility among many. either way it doesn't change the fact that zimmerman took his gun with him when he decided he'd play cop. found and followed a teen because they 'looked suspicious'. and ignored the cops telling him not to follow the teen. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:938603671] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Trayvon got home safe and sound. Was in no danger whatsoever, turned around and went after Zimmerman to attack him.</quote>where are you even getting this? because every source i look up suggests that the minute between the call to the cops ending and the fight starting would either be far to short for that to happen or would only be a possibility among many. either way it doesn't change the fact that zimmerman took his gun with him when he decided he'd play cop. found and followed a teen because they 'looked suspicious'. and ignored the cops telling him not to follow the teen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 05/04/20 4:57:32 PM #85:	terrible --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:938603699] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>terrible </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeoShadowhen 05/04/20 5:01:01 PM #86:	gunplagirl posted... I looked into the state's citizens arrest laws which the first prosecutor cited when he declined to charge them. Things is, just by there being 3 of them with guns trying to surround someone in this circumstance, they couldn't have reasonably been in accordance with the law, there was no reasonable proof that the guy was commiting a crime or fleeing from a felony. So neither circumstances that would allow for the father or son to citizens arrest would apply. And the neighbor joining in also would be an obvious violation because he hadn't witnessed any of it. Basically, at the very least we've got all 3 of them on illegally detaining someone even before the gun related threats would come in to play. And in that regard, a man being illegally detained and fighting back to escape HAS been held up in the man's favor before in the state. So yes, this constitutes murder because they killed a man they had illegally detained. At the very least, the father and son should be charged with murder and illegally detaining while the neighbor should get an illegal detention and accessory to murder charge. Thing is, even with a different prosecutor I have zero reason to believe that any of them will ever be charged on any of these crimes or even egregiously lessened ones. This is a modern day lynching. Thank you for saving me the time of typing out virtually all of that. Citizens arrest does not apply because they did not witness a crime being committed. Illegal detainment, death occurs during commission of felony. Murder one. Everybody needs to cool it with the jogging shit though. This guy was almost certainly fleeing from the scene of a crime. Doesnt matter though. <cite>NeoShadowhen posted [p:938603880] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>I looked into the state's citizens arrest laws which the first prosecutor cited when he declined to charge them. Things is, just by there being 3 of them with guns trying to surround someone in this circumstance, they couldn't have reasonably been in accordance with the law, there was no reasonable proof that the guy was commiting a crime or fleeing from a felony. So neither circumstances that would allow for the father or son to citizens arrest would apply. And the neighbor joining in also would be an obvious violation because he hadn't witnessed any of it. Basically, at the very least we've got all 3 of them on illegally detaining someone even before the gun related threats would come in to play. And in that regard, a man being illegally detained and fighting back to escape HAS been held up in the man's favor before in the state. So yes, this constitutes murder because they killed a man they had illegally detained. At the very least, the father and son should be charged with murder and illegally detaining while the neighbor should get an illegal detention and accessory to murder charge. Thing is, even with a different prosecutor I have zero reason to believe that any of them will ever be charged on any of these crimes or even egregiously lessened ones. This is a modern day lynching.</quote> Thank you for saving me the time of typing out virtually all of that. Citizens arrest does not apply because they did not witness a crime being committed. Illegal detainment, death occurs during commission of felony. Murder one. Everybody needs to cool it with the jogging shit though. This guy was almost certainly fleeing from the scene of a crime. Doesnt matter though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ncsonic 05/04/20 5:03:30 PM #87:	DarkRoast posted... Meanwhile conservatives can dress like this and march on government property and have no problems. It's disgusting. Take their military fatigue, vest, and machine guns away and they're pretty much indistinguishable from pale skin zitted over weight nerds, they're compensating big time by joining the alt right "I'm tough and I gotta defend my race" group --- WIRED https://www.youtube.com/user/wired <cite>ncsonic posted [p:938603998] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>DarkRoast posted... </cite> <quote>Meanwhile conservatives can dress like this and march on government property and have no problems. It's disgusting.</quote> Take their military fatigue, vest, and machine guns away and they're pretty much indistinguishable from pale skin zitted over weight nerds, they're compensating big time by joining the alt right "I'm tough and I gotta defend my race" group </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 5:04:54 PM #88:	monkmith posted... where are you even getting this? The trial. Stop looking up CNN and ABC articles and blogger opinions on this. Go watch the trial. because every source i look up suggests that the minute between the call to the cops ending and the fight starting would either be far to short for that to happen or would only be a possibility among many. Then your "sources" are terrible and deny basic facts. Also the "one possibility among many" card is a terrible one to play because if your argument is "Well shucks I guess we just don't know what happened." then Zimmerman is still innocent by default. Which also makes it nothing like this case. Even in head in the sand fantasy land, the cases aren't the same. either way it doesn't change the fact that zimmerman took his gun with him when he decided he'd play cop. found and followed a teen because they 'looked suspicious'. and ignored the cops telling him not to follow the teen. False. The cops said "You don't have to do that." not "Don't do that." Zimmerman never ignored cop advice and infact did stop later when the dispatcher actually asked him too. Although for the record, it would still be irrelevant even if you weren't lying. Second, none of that is illegal nor a justification for trying to murder someone. You can't follow and attack someone because they walked down a public street. Third. That's Still not comparable to this case. "He walked down a public street so I had to follow him, hide, suckerpunch and attempt to murder him" =/= "These two guys chased me in a truck and jumped out screaming while waving a gun at me so in a panic I tried to grab their gun" How can you continue to pretend you're incapable of understanding that? Because you're not. Just admit you got duped by the media years ago and move on. Even in head in the sand fantasy land, the cases aren't the same. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938604061] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted...</cite> <quote>where are you even getting this?</quote> The trial. Stop looking up CNN and ABC articles and blogger opinions on this. Go watch the trial. <quote> because every source i look up suggests that the minute between the call to the cops ending and the fight starting would either be far to short for that to happen or would only be a possibility among many.</quote> Then your "sources" are terrible and deny basic facts. Also the "one possibility among many" card is a terrible one to play because if your argument is "Well shucks I guess we just don't know what happened." then Zimmerman is still innocent by default. Which also makes it nothing like this case. Even in head in the sand fantasy land, the cases aren't the same. <quote>either way it doesn't change the fact that zimmerman took his gun with him when he decided he'd play cop. found and followed a teen because they 'looked suspicious'. and ignored the cops telling him not to follow the teen.</quote> False. The cops said "You don't have to do that." not "Don't do that." Zimmerman never ignored cop advice and infact did stop later when the dispatcher actually asked him too. Although for the record, it would still be irrelevant even if you weren't lying. Second, none of that is illegal nor a justification for trying to murder someone. You can't follow and attack someone because they walked down a public street. Third. That's Still not comparable to this case. "He walked down a public street so I had to follow him, hide, suckerpunch and attempt to murder him" =/= "These two guys chased me in a truck and jumped out screaming while waving a gun at me so in a panic I tried to grab their gun" How can you continue to pretend you're incapable of understanding that? Because you're not. Just admit you got duped by the media years ago and move on. Even in head in the sand fantasy land, the cases aren't the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 05/04/20 5:36:55 PM #89:	UnfairRepresent posted... Second, none of that is illegal nor a justification for trying to murder someone. Well, it was immoral. And Zimmerman is an evil, racist, piece of shit and he does deserve death. Though Trayvon wouldn't have had the legal right to kill him. --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:938605650] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Second, none of that is illegal nor a justification for trying to murder someone.</quote>Well, it was immoral. And Zimmerman is an evil, racist, piece of shit and he does deserve death. Though Trayvon wouldn't have had the legal right to kill him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/04/20 6:29:18 PM #90:	sktgamer_13dude posted... Still no charges months later. Justice department on quarantine? More importantly, there are a lot of crimes where charges aren't filed immediately because an investigation is ongoing. It's hardly unique. If you said... wait, wtf, it's only been TWO months? I thought we were talking at least six months. Yeah, this is really meaningless at this point. Unless you're looking to rush the process and increase the likelihood of a "not guilty" verdict. Lost_All_Senses posted... This is pretty much lynching in 2020 Not even close. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:938608346] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote><quote>sktgamer_13dude posted... </cite>Still no charges months later.</quote> Justice department on quarantine? More importantly, there are a lot of crimes where charges aren't filed immediately because an investigation is ongoing. It's hardly unique. If you said... wait, wtf, it's only been TWO months? I thought we were talking at least six months. Yeah, this is really meaningless at this point. Unless you're looking to rush the process and increase the likelihood of a "not guilty" verdict. Lost_All_Senses posted... </cite> <quote>This is pretty much lynching in 2020</quote> Not even close. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 05/04/20 6:31:08 PM #91:	UnfairRepresent posted... False. The cops said "You don't have to do that." not "Don't do that." Zimmerman never ignored cop advice and infact did stop later when the dispatcher actually asked him too. Not going into the rest of the post or argument, but it's worth noting that it wasn't a "cop" who discouraged Zimmerman, it was a phone operator which is a pretty massive difference. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:938608448] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> False. The cops said "You don't have to do that." not "Don't do that." Zimmerman never ignored cop advice and infact did stop later when the dispatcher actually asked him too.</quote> Not going into the rest of the post or argument, but it's worth noting that it wasn't a "cop" who discouraged Zimmerman, it was a phone operator which is a pretty massive difference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/04/20 7:15:04 PM #92:	Zeus posted... Justice department on quarantine? More importantly, there are a lot of crimes where charges aren't filed immediately because an investigation is ongoing. It's hardly unique. If you said... wait, wtf, it's only been TWO months? I thought we were talking at least six months. Yeah, this is really meaningless at this point. Unless you're looking to rush the process and increase the likelihood of a "not guilty" verdict. Can you point to any case where 3 black people chased down a white jogger and gunned the down without being arrested. Not even close. Care to explain why it is isn't --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:938610772] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>Justice department on quarantine? More importantly, there are a lot of crimes where charges aren't filed immediately because an investigation is ongoing. It's hardly unique. If you said... wait, wtf, it's only been TWO months? I thought we were talking at least six months. Yeah, this is really meaningless at this point. Unless you're looking to rush the process and increase the likelihood of a "not guilty" verdict.</quote> Can you point to any case where 3 black people chased down a white jogger and gunned the down without being arrested. <quote> Not even close.</quote> Care to explain why it is isn't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ohioguy1980 05/04/20 8:09:37 PM #93:	Not enough details to know the exact charges but it sounds like manslaughter at least against the son. <cite>Ohioguy1980 posted [p:938613612] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote> Not enough details to know the exact charges but it sounds like manslaughter at least against the son. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/04/20 8:22:50 PM #94:	Ohioguy1980 posted... Not enough details to know the exact charges but it sounds like manslaughter at least against the son. Why would this me murder. They literally chased a man down and murdered him with a shot gun. They shot him TWO time. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:938614265] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Ohioguy1980 posted... </cite> <quote>Not enough details to know the exact charges but it sounds like manslaughter at least against the son.</quote> Why would this me murder. They literally chased a man down and murdered him with a shot gun. They shot him TWO time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Odoylerules 05/04/20 8:24:38 PM #95:	A guy being chased down and then being aggressive towards the people who aggressively chased him down is not the aggressor in this situation. Georgia fails once again <cite>Odoylerules posted [p:938614354] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>A guy being chased down and then being aggressive towards the people who aggressively chased him down is not the aggressor in this situation. Georgia fails once again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 05/04/20 8:38:06 PM #96:	What is the name of that officer that post here , I think his name starts with a O. I would really like to see what lawman as to say. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:938615007] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>What is the name of that officer that post here , I think his name starts with a O. I would really like to see what lawman as to say. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 9:06:40 PM #97:	Zeus posted... Not going into the rest of the post or argument, but it's worth noting that it wasn't a "cop" who discouraged Zimmerman, it was a phone operator which is a pretty massive difference. That's a fair point But it doesn't change the two points I raised. 1. It did even occur 2. It wouldn't have mattered even if it even did cjsdowg posted... Why would this me murder. They literally chased a man down and murdered him with a shot gun. They shot him TWO time. The argument would be that they never intended to kill him and acted out of what they thought was self-defense due to emotion as since the situation was brought on by negligance, it was manslaughter not murder. I can see a jury buying that especially as part of a plea deal Not even being arrested however is sickening --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938616417] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote> Not going into the rest of the post or argument, but it's worth noting that it wasn't a "cop" who discouraged Zimmerman, it was a phone operator which is a pretty massive difference. </quote> That's a fair point But it doesn't change the two points I raised. 1. It did even occur 2. It wouldn't have mattered even if it even did cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote> Why would this me murder. They literally chased a man down and murdered him with a shot gun. They shot him TWO time. </quote> The argument would be that they never intended to kill him and acted out of what they thought was self-defense due to emotion as since the situation was brought on by negligance, it was manslaughter not murder. I can see a jury buying that especially as part of a plea deal Not even being arrested however is sickening</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/04/20 10:47:43 PM #98:	Theres no scenario where you stalk someone with your own weapon and then you kill them out of self defence --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938621323] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>Theres no scenario where you stalk someone with your own weapon and then you kill them out of self defence </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/04/20 11:56:16 PM #99:	So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:938624289] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/05/20 12:00:02 AM #100:	UnfairRepresent posted... So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think. UnfairRepresent posted... So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think. Thats your own twisted logic. Theres no scenario where you need to stalk and kill someone. Zimmerman didnt need to and these murderers didnt either. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:938624436] in Black man ... [t:78656792]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think.</quote> UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>So according to your logic, if anyone with a concealed firearm, knife or happens to be carrying a baseball bat walks down any public street you are allowed to ambush and attempt to murder them and they are not allowed to defend themselves? That's utterly insane..... How can you not comprehend how completely insane that logic is? How can you even pretend it's comparable to multiple people chasing someone in a truck, while screaming and waving a gun around? I mean you can't, so you just won't reply to any of this. But hopefully one day you'll actually open your mind a little and think.</quote>Thats your own twisted logic. Theres no scenario where you need to stalk and kill someone. Zimmerman didnt need to and these murderers didnt either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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