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Jakyl25 05/09/20 11:36:36 AM #457: |
Wanglicious posted...
nah, one aspect can be ethnic but another racial. using sickle cell, most common within sub saharan african descent. this isn't an ethnic group, there's multiple ethnic groups in that region, we're looking at a racial one. it affects black people in the US, Africa, and Europe alike despite multiple generations and regional differences. you can do the same for certain bone issues across different races too, it's just certain quips in the DNA and body that do mark differences that have stuck with us for literally hundreds of years. I feel like youre missing the entire point so maybe Im not explaining it well The concept of black people as a race goes beyond people of sub-Saharan African lineage. Yes, something like sickle cell anemia is most prominent in multiple ethnic groups all more recently descended from a similar region. But thats not all black people, and what ethnicities count as white and black have changed over time --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 05/09/20 11:36:51 AM #458: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Are we really getting into a phrenology debate here? not particularly. while anthropology does deal with the uncomfortable aspect that race is more than a skin deep issue, wasn't particularly going in that direction and sticking to disease, blood, bone marrow transplants, etc. though ultimately i'm sure we'll disagree as you value the social science that desperately tries to veer away from it more than i do. we've constantly tried to go away from the issue and blame other things only to come back to realizing that yeah, race is a thing too. the recent shortage of black blood wasn't even a year ago and a lot of it is due to people thinking all blood is the same. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 11:38:50 AM #459: |
SmartMuffin posted...
Their cultural behaviors of being more likely to be poor and in poorer health based on centuries of systemic racism? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 05/09/20 11:41:16 AM #460: |
Jakyl25 posted...
I feel like youre missing the entire point so maybe Im not explaining it well i just see this as an attempt to redefine race to a point where it's meaningless as opposed to just confronting that both race and ethnicity are things that biologically exist, not categories to be removed. actual science doesn't get rid of them because that reality's consistently reared its head. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 11:44:32 AM #461: |
Okay then, whats the scientific definition of black
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Wanglicious 05/09/20 11:59:52 AM #462: |
don't know any specific definition that can't be scrutinized and picked. just about every definition will mix hereditary aspects with broader continental aspects whereas ethnicity will focus on more specific regional ones - sometimes very specific like the differences seen between Northern or Southern Italians. so "black" would have, in its definition, people whose main visible and biologic characteristics connect them to Sub-Saharan African descent. i'm sure better, more precise ones exist.
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 12:04:15 PM #463: |
So you dont have one that isnt related to closest region of biological relation
Which is still just ethnicity writ large And has nothing to do with how we classify races culturally --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 12:09:37 PM #464: |
Lol can we all just at least agree that Vlados belief that god put all the different races onto Earth separately with no relation to each other is ridiculous, right? Lets at least stand together on that
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Kinglicious 05/09/20 12:17:49 PM #465: |
Jakyl25 posted...
So you dont have one that isnt related to closest region of biological relation Huh? Race has always been tied back to those two things, hereditary and continent. Even the most racist examples that warp science will ultimately go to that. Jakyl25 posted... Which is still just ethnicity writ large Nah that's oversimplification to avoid it. Jakyl25 posted... And has nothing to do with how we classify races culturally Which is back to what i said before of redefining race and the different weight we have on social science on the issue. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 12:22:17 PM #466: |
Kinglicious posted...
Well once you have actual scientific definitions of race to present that have nothing to do with cultural biases maybe Ill understand better --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 05/09/20 12:23:15 PM #467: |
Jakyl in here fighting the good fight.
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 12:24:07 PM #468: |
Kinglicious posted...
And I thoroughly disagree with this assessment --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinglicious 05/09/20 12:24:46 PM #469: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Lol can we all just at least agree that Vlados belief that god put all the different races onto Earth separately with no relation to each other is ridiculous, right? Lets at least stand together on that Oh absolutely. All the races have vastly more in common with one another than not, this is super obvious by any metric you want to use (breeding, blood, transplants, structure, etc). I think it's estimated at 6% differences in either race or race and ethnicity, with more variation within a community than outside of it. For the vast majority of issues, no fundamental difference. Just that when it comes up it's one of those "Oh. Yeah, this exists" kind of moments. Shouldn't be relevant for muffin's issue either. --- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 12:28:32 PM #470: |
Kinglicious posted...
I think it's estimated at 6% differences Just out of curiosity, what does that number even mean --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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xp1337 05/09/20 12:30:26 PM #471: |
Jakyl25 posted...
Just out of curiosity, what does that number even meanThe share of voters who broke to Ness in Ness/Carl Johnson --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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banananor 05/09/20 12:34:21 PM #472: |
Of course the concepts of hereditary genetics are real, but the specific concept of race as we use it is an arbitrary heuristic that takes extra care to prioritize visual attributes like skin color.
If an aliens plucked people up and used statistical analysis to define human races (if they'd even bother), they might come up with completely different categories than we would expect. the ones that 23 and me use are intentionally crafted around their initial customers' self-reported races/areas of family origin, and even those don't put anybody at 100% anything In a separate scenario, if aliens picked up a thousand random people from earth, put 500 of them in one giant space ship and the other 500 in another giant space ship, after a certain number of generations they could be considered 2 "races" just through random genetic drift We aren't tolkein's elves and dwarves (or vlado's whatevers), that's for sure --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 05/09/20 12:36:58 PM #473: |
race does not tie with continent lmao
You're looking at this skewed, Wang. If people with Sub-Saharan tend to have alleles for Sickle Cell, the appropriate response is to say multiple ethnic groups have it as a trait instead of trying to say it's a trait black people have... because plenty don't. It's inaccurate. You can broadly use race to describe all people of a particular clade, but that's pretty useless and can't generalize into much of anything biologically. At that point its significance is all cultural which doesn't generally have anything to do with ancestry, just traits. --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jakyl25 05/09/20 1:33:08 PM #474: |
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1259147372984180736?s=21
Having a totally normal one --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroicCrono 05/09/20 1:52:30 PM #475: |
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1259147372984180736?s=21 We need an equal number of voting booths in Republican areas to be fair. One town one voting booth! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HeroDelTiempo17 05/09/20 1:58:30 PM #476: |
banananor posted...
Of course the concepts of hereditary genetics are real, but the specific concept of race as we use it is an arbitrary heuristic that takes extra care to prioritize visual attributes like skin color. Yup, nailed it. It's different. What you guys are talking about with the sickle cell stuff isn't race or ethnicity. From a purely scientific genetics perspective, it's ancestry. Ie, tracing allelic frequencies throughout specific populations over time. These populations don't map precisely to what you'd consider race or ancestry. In general they're only loosely related with maybe some more specific overlaps for more isolated communities. There's 3 axes here. --- DPOblivion was far more determined than me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 05/09/20 2:01:25 PM #477: |
Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1259147372984180736?s=21I don't understand what he is saying. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik Currently playing: Spider-Man (PS4), Quantum Break (X1) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 05/09/20 2:05:50 PM #478: |
https://blog.prepscholar.com/race-vs-ethnicity-vs-nationality
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ChaosTonyV4 05/09/20 2:56:55 PM #479: |
Kinglicious posted...
All the races have vastly more in common with one another than not, this is super obvious by any metric you want to use (breeding, blood, transplants, structure, etc). I think it's estimated at 6% differences in either race or race and ethnicity, with more variation within a community than outside of it. Who estimates this? Can you explain and provide a source? Not trying to gotcha, I genuinely have never heard of anything like this before. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Corrik7 05/09/20 2:58:02 PM #480: |
I assume he means all races have 2 arms, 1 head, 2 legs, etc etc.
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TheRock1525 05/09/20 9:42:49 PM #481: |
Joe Rogan says all the preventive measures we're taking is virtue signalling.
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Jakyl25 05/10/20 12:19:34 PM #482: |
Heres an all-time great Trump says something that sounds completely stupid because he cant communicate well quote
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Mr Lasastryke 05/11/20 7:29:37 AM #483: |
no posts on ahmaud arbery?
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Jakyl25 05/11/20 10:36:19 AM #484: |
I think we all can already predict where we all stand on that
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Mr Lasastryke 05/11/20 10:38:04 AM #485: |
doesn't mean we shouldn't have the obligatory argument on it!!
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UshiromiyaEva 05/11/20 11:29:29 AM #486: |
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Jakyl25 05/11/20 11:32:20 AM #487: |
https://twitter.com/ztiworoh/status/1259866374865915906?s=21
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LordoftheMorons 05/11/20 5:48:14 PM #488: |
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1259953554728669187?s=21
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FFDragon 05/11/20 6:01:34 PM #489: |
I was wondering why there was an uptick of people screaming for Obama to be executed recently.
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LordoftheMorons 05/11/20 6:06:36 PM #490: |
Many people are saying that this was the worst crime ever committed!
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FFDragon 05/11/20 6:11:20 PM #491: |
Oh how soon we forget
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xp1337 05/11/20 6:12:50 PM #492: |
Obama Netflix!?
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Corrik7 05/11/20 6:30:27 PM #493: |
What are Biden's stances and campaign goals?
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LordoftheMorons 05/12/20 9:47:51 AM #494: |
Depressing thread from one of Michael Bennets staffers on the prospects of Congress enough on covid:
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LinkMarioSamus 05/12/20 9:56:35 AM #495: |
I seriously feel like so many male leaders in the world are so concerned with waving their dicks around over doing anything productive.
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Xeybozn 05/12/20 10:03:51 AM #496: |
LordoftheMorons posted...
Depressing thread from one of Michael Bennets staffers on the prospects of Congress enough on covid: What I find interesting about this is comparing it to Congress's response to the Great Recession. Back then it seemed like the GOP opposed during more just because they wanted to make Obama look bad, but seeing them do the same thing during a Republican presidency makes it clear that they really do believe all the crap they say. Considering that the GOP will always have enough power to block anything they oppose and that their ideas have repeatedly failed when put into practice, that's pretty scary. --- Congrats to 2019 Guru champ Advokaiser! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Not_an_Owl 05/12/20 11:38:43 AM #497: |
LinkMarioSamus posted...
I seriously feel like so many male leaders in the world are so concerned with waving their dicks around over doing anything productive.As anyone who ever got a C in high school world history could tell you, the behavior you describe has been going on for a while. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NFUN 05/12/20 12:31:35 PM #498: |
Not_an_Owl posted...
As anyone who ever got a C in high school world history could tell you, the behavior you describe has been going on for a while.well there's the problem! --- You shine, and make others shine just by being near them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 05/12/20 12:33:36 PM #499: |
LordoftheMorons posted...
Depressing thread from one of Michael Bennets staffers on the prospects of Congress enough on covid: Well, that's the Democrats' fault for refusing to pass the payroll tax holiday. If they had acted faster everyone working would already have a lot more money. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 05/12/20 12:49:12 PM #500: |
Play Plague Inc
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