Poll of the Day > Why pick infinite money over save scumming or debug mode?

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With save scumming, you could easily achieve your monetary goals by going to the casino, betting everything you have and then restarting until you got the outcome you desired.

With debug mode you could alter reality in a way to create an endless bank account.

Both options give you additional benefits beyond just infinite money. Just a nerdy thought.

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because I don't want more power

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The real talking point is this settles the debate that save scumming is cheating.

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Veedrock- posted...

The real talking point is this settles the debate that save scumming is cheating.

Yes, but think of all the fun Bill Murray had once he accepted his fate in Groundhog Day. I voted debug mode though, seems like you could have more fun with that.

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Not everyone wants to deal with responsibilities/obligations of a God. Not everyone has the brains to use Godlike powers responsibly . With infinite money you can just live your life, but with infinite money. What happens to reality when the save scummer dies of old age?

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Infinite lives means infinite naps

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

What happens to reality when the save scummer dies of old age?

It keeps going. Infinite saves not infinite lives.

Save Scummer/Debug Menu does something because he's curious about altering history then dies of old age and reality has to deal with whatever horrible life he thought was nice.

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Technically a save scummer in real life would never die, and could keep advancing technology every time he lived his "life" drastically, so new things would be created etc.

You wouldn't just use short term saves but long term, so if you make a save at 20, you can relive days/weeks etc as you go, but once you hit say 40 or so, reset back to 20 (after spending the amount of resets to learn new advances in any sciences etc.

When you go back, you use the knowledge to advance science up to where it was 20 years in the future, and then let it improve for 20 years again while you play/have fun, and repeat the process. You can even go more then 20 years in the future if you want every so often if it takes more time for people to catch up on new stuff etc.

Save scumming also gives you infinite money as well.

The real question is what can you do in debug mode, because honestly that could basically make you immortal/forever young, have unlmited money and while you can't save scum, you can alter events (included resetting them in theory to an early point) so itmight be more efficient than save scumming. You probably would get bored to tears with any of them eventually though.

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wolfy42 posted...

Technically a save scummer in real life would never die, and could keep advancing technology every time he lived his "life" drastically, so new things would be created etc.

You wouldn't just use short term saves but long term, so if you make a save at 20, you can relive days/weeks etc as you go, but once you hit say 40 or so, reset back to 20 (after spending the amount of resets to learn new advances in any sciences etc.

When you go back, you use the knowledge to advance science up to where it was 20 years in the future, and then let it improve for 20 years again while you play/have fun, and repeat the process. You can even go more then 20 years in the future if you want every so often if it takes more time for people to catch up on new stuff etc.

Save scumming also gives you infinite money as well.

The real question is what can you do in debug mode, because honestly that could basically make you immortal/forever young, have unlmited money and while you can't save scum, you can alter events (included resetting them in theory to an early point) so itmight be more efficient than save scumming. You probably would get bored to tears with any of them eventually though.

Yes. This is thinking outside the box.

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Those take time. And energy. And some of it takes money already to do. Like if you went to a casino or something, you would need money to start. If you don't care about the rest of the stuff, then money isn't a bad choice...

Beveren_Rabbit posted...

What happens to reality when the save scummer dies of old age?

For everyone else, reality would probably keep going. For the save scummer, I figure they'd keep reliving their lives from their last save (until they can obtain immortality), or they finish the game and it becomes game over...

wolfy42 posted...

You wouldn't just use short term saves but long term, so if you make a save at 20, you can relive days/weeks etc as you go, but once you hit say 40 or so, reset back to 20 (after spending the amount of resets to learn new advances in any sciences etc.

That's if they did that. Most people would probably use short term saves to make life easier. I would want everything to be going great, and then die and have to go back like 10+ years. Especially if they years leading up to the good stuff sucked. Or you couldn't remember exactly how you go to that point in life. Plus, that person would want to have to do that. And it also depends on how the save scumming works. I figure that if you die of old age, it's possible you wouldn't come back to life. Like, old age might be "finishing the game" or something. Or maybe it's permadeath. You can load as many times as you want as long as you're alive, but you can't come back after you die. So, it depends on the save, as well...

Though, a save function for your life reminds me of a manga...
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The problem with that is that it would with your own sense of reality, imagine what it would be like if you know almost everything about all the people you get close to after that save and have them become strangers again and again

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Pretty happy with the way things are, but could always use a little more cash.

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Some people have simple minds and are influenced easily by money.

They see the word money and they immediately go, "THAT ONE! THE MONEY ONE!"

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When you save scum in a game, your character character forgets everything that happened when you reload, the same thing would happen in real life.

Save scumming =/= groundhog day scenario.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

When you save scum in a game, your character character forgets everything that happened when you reload, the same thing would happen in real life.

Save scumming =/= groundhog day scenario.

You, the player, remember everything though. Ypu don't save scum to make the same mistakes over and over again, that's utterly pointless.

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Veedrock- posted...

You, the player, remember everything though. Ypu don't save scum to make the same mistakes over and over again, that's utterly pointless.

There's no player controlling your life. Just you living it.

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Sunny does have a point. You sit through the same story and the same conversations as the game character. In certain games, you can pick different choices. But thats you as the player. And it can cause an alternate timeline, in that case. Its possible that save scumming could trap that person in a time loop... Since there is no player controlling you, which could help to change the outcome. Unless there is a player. Or thats part of the rules of the power...
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It's not scumming if you're not using your knowledge to change anything.

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The save scumming option is memory included, otherwise restarting by having a bad day wouldn't change anything, you'll still have a bad day because you'll do the exact same things, hence they mean you have your memory intact.

As long as that is the case, save scumming is the best option by far even if it's limited to restarting the day you are on, it's money (100% lottery and casino wins) plus immortality pretty much, even without money and immortality it's the best option because it's the only thing that can grant out one true wish.

Finishing our backlog

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Wanded posted...

As long as that is the case, save scumming is the best option by far even if it's limited to restarting the day you are on, it's money (100% lottery and casino wins) plus immortality.

If its limited to restarting the day, could you still do the lottery? Casinos depend on if you have money to vegan with. And a casino close to you. And if you can win enough before being kicked out.
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LinkPizza posted...

If its limited to restarting the day, could you still do the lottery? Casinos depend on if you have money to vegan with. And a casino close to you. And if you can win enough before being kicked out.

You can get to where the casino is the day before, what you say about being kicked out is true so you'll need to repeat this in several locations/countries a few times and lose on purpose here and there, same with sports betting and playing poker, if i'm not mistaken you can fill out a lottery ticket up until a few hours before the winning numbers are revealed.

Mind you that with save scumming you can also reuse money so you need less of it, theaters and comics are essentially free unless you're a collector, any experience that is not longer than a day is free.

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Even if it was just one day you could have unlimited money pretty easy, yeah. groundhogs day is a very limited example of it, cause he was stuck in one town. If you had no such limit you would be able to do alot more, even within just 24 hours.

Save scummings means you NEED to be aware of your ability, and your past decisions, or you would not know when to "load" a previous save. Now, it might be limited to you only making a certain number of saves mind you, which could seriously limit it's potential, but even just 2 saves could allow a base save at 20, and then an additional save you use along the way to make sure everything goes your way.

IF you only had 1 save, and had to reset to it every time, then yeah, starting at 20 you coull initially groundhogs week/month etc it till you have a great start (always repeating back to the same starting day) until eventually you live a good 20+ years each time, and then reset back (boosting tech etc so new things are ready for you).

So even with only 1 save, you would be set.

Still, debug mode generally lets you alter the game, which means altering the universe, it's physics etc. You cculd make yourself forever young, you could fly, you could move objects with your mind, you can persuade everyone to do what you want, your biggest ...challenge, would be boredom to be honest.

See at least with save scumming your still working towards a goal which takes effort. With debug mode, anything you want you can have, right away, there is no effort, and therefore, there would be a very short period of time where you actually appreciated anything and then you would just be bored to tears.

I'd say save scumming is better than that, except if you reset back to the last save when you die, that again means your eternal, and eventually you would be bored to tears with no escape (Which is worse).

So both debug mode and the money allow you to actually cease to exist. Save scumming might, if you can just erase all the saves, but without that, your stuck in perpetual existence which would be horrific torture eventually.

Even the dude from groundhogs day tried over and over to kill himself.

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Season 4 episode 8 of The Batman, "Seconds," deals with a save scummer.

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Wanded posted...

You can get to where the casino is the day before, what you say about being kicked out is true so you'll need to repeat this in several locations/countries a few times and lose on purpose here and there, same with sports betting and playing poker, if i'm not mistaken you can fill out a lottery ticket up until a few hours before the winning numbers are revealed.

Mind you that with save scumming you can also reuse money so you need less of it, theaters and comics are essentially free unless you're a collector, any experience that is not longer than a day is free.

If you have only 24 hours the lottery would never work, it takes more time than that to get your money.
The number of ways you can get tons of money is almost limitless though. Casino's (high stakes) could work for quick starting cash, but also remember you probably don't NEED that much money in only 24 hours, and can probably do almost anything you want in that time without any money at all (or very little).

If it's more than 24 hours there are so many ways to make huge profits, like the stock market for instance lol, gambling of course, lottery, robbing banks (or transport cars) etc etc, with unlmited tries you can do anything basically, even just convince the richest people in town to all give you their money lol.

With unlimited resets/saves money becomes pointless almost instantly, you can have as much as you need at any point in time.

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wolfy42 posted...

If you have only 24 hours the lottery would never work, it takes more time than that to get your money.

isn't that okay though? you just keep going instead of restarting the day again

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Save scumming is my super power as a gamer.

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Wanded posted...

You can get to where the casino is the day before, what you say about being kicked out is true so you'll need to repeat this in several locations/countries a few times and lose on purpose here and there, same with sports betting and playing poker

But that means you would need money to start still. If you don't have enough to bet, you can't really win anything. Starting with a small amount won't get you anywhere fast. And depending on starting location, the closest casinos, starting money, and all that, it could take forever before making any decent amount of money. And even then, it's a lot of work that could be skipped by just choosing money. Which is why some people would choose money over save scumming. Especially if life is good and they were only going to use the save scumming for money, anyway. Why waste energy when you can get the better results easier... Especially when you'll have to do it again when your funds deplete... So, I can definitely see why some would choose money instead...
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Why would I ever pick infinite money when I can just use a debug console to give me a any item in life at a whim?

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LinkPizza posted...

But that means you would need money to start still. If you don't have enough to bet, you can't really win anything. Starting with a small amount won't get you anywhere fast. And depending on starting location, the closest casinos, starting money, and all that, it could take forever before making any decent amount of money. And even then, it's a lot of work that could be skipped by just choosing money. Which is why some people would choose money over save scumming. Especially if life is good and they were only going to use the save scumming for money, anyway. Why waste energy when you can get the better results easier... Especially when you'll have to do it again when your funds deplete... So, I can definitely see why some would choose money instead...

Wait for a lottery numbers to be revealed, rewind buy a 5 dollar ticket. Voila

M0NSTER_ posted...

Wait for a lottery numbers to be revealed, rewind buy a 5 dollar ticket. Voila

Or just ask for infinite money for better results faster. And you never have to do it again. Of course, thats if you dont want the power. Which some people probably didnt. I personally chose save scumming. But not for the money. If I wanted money, Id chose that. With the lottery, the winners go broke lretty fast living an expensive life. And if I win too many lotteries, theyll catch on. Casinos are too much work. It could take forever to actually win big, and enough, to have a ton a of money. Which everything that could change if anything is even a little off. Like I said, I can understand choosing money if you dont care about the power you can have with save scumming.

Edit: Depending on what you could tweak and how, I also might choose this. But it would be a risk...
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Wanded posted...

Mind you that with save scumming you can also reuse money so you need less of it, theaters and comics are essentially free unless you're a collector, any experience that is not longer than a day is free.

Also, I didnt see this earlier. True, its free if you dont collect or need it. Or dont mind wasting time. Though, it also depends on what happened during those experiences. Like getting closer to someone or meeting someone. Those, you would have to keep, unless you didnt care about that stuff, I guess...
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It's hard to spend a ton in a day, and if you save scum over more than a day, again, money is pointless.

I mean, lets just take any indian casino near you (or regular one in Nevada).

Payout on a single number in roulette is 35 to 1, so you multiply whatever you bet by 35x.

Max bet is usually 1000 though, but heck, you can talk into a casino plop down 1k on a number, win 35k and leave.

You'd be done in minutes and 35k is alot to spend in 1 day.

Best bet would just be high stakes card games if you can find one nearby. You could also just go play a bit of blackjack (10k a pop).

You could head to a few different casino's just winning a bunch from each (but not enough to botter anyone) and even starting with just a few hundred, could have a couple hundred thousand in a few hours.

Since the digital age is here though, you don't even need to head to casino's you could do it all online, including online high stakes poker games. You could probably be a millionare in a day just playing online if you wanted and it would all be digital.

Then just invest in stocks from there, once you have enough, and your investments would probably help cause the stocks to raise at that point (on top of already knowing what is going to happen).

You could be the wealthiest person in the world and never do anything that wasn't digital, although I wouldn't suggest doing so in a week as people track that stuff.

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easier to just save right before the lottery numbers, then reload and buy a ticket
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

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easier to just save right before the lottery numbers, then reload and buy a ticket

That is easy, but it takes time to get the money and, it's VERY public.

You could get just as much gambling + stock market (or if you have money already just stock market) and nobody would know lol.

I prefer my privacy.

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Had a hard time choosing between save scumming and debug mode. Redoing a bad day could still be a bad experience, where with debug mode I can just adjust reality to make sure I don't have that bad day, or if I do, undo what went wrong.

The only problem is that it's kind of like when I play a game and decide I'm going to cheat, but I don't want to cheat so hard that I have unlimited health and ammo and upgrade power. Yet if I'm going to cheat at all, what am I basing limitations on? Calculated risk of making things uninteresting?

So save scumming if I want to still have the same fundamental challenge of life, just with the ability to redo things. Honestly this would be a ton of fun for a risk averse person like myself...But debug mode if I actually want options. All the other poll options are irrelevant unless you just specifically want that one thing for some reason, and they all kind of suck.

No Clip Mode: Useful if you just want to be the ultimate bank robber, I guess? Maybe the ultimate spy/assassin or some such? Not that useful, would rather have debug mode. Doesn't even make you invisible, so you could screw yourself over pretty easily trying to make use of this. Get caught even once doing this on camera, and you're probably finished. Has minimal applications in day to day life, such as while sitting at your desk. Pass.

Infinite Lives: Some organization eventually notices that you've been around for 200 years (or you do something to expose your power far sooner like an idiot), grabs you, and locks you in a torture/experimentation facility. You eventually die, revive, and continue the process forever in endless darkness or whatever they've come up with for you. Unethical scientists would love you, but Do Not Want. Better to have debug mode to simply disable mortality/aging, plus the power to prevent or escape this scenario.

Infinite Money: Can be achieved via debug mode, save scumming, and even no-clip mode if you put the work in. Could also be achieved via Infinite Lives if you avoid the getting grabbed and tortured/dissected forever issue. Also doesn't address what happens when you get investigated for the expenditure of "infinite money" that you can't explain since you don't have debug mode to disable the IRS's awareness of your existence. Hard pass.

So yeah, only two of the poll options are even a good idea in my view. Any power you give yourself in real life needs to either be very easy to utilize without getting caught and suffering the consequences, or it needs to include the ability to easily deal with said consequences. Unless you just really like a challenge .

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Realistically debug_mode would include all the other options so...

LinkPizza posted...

Those take time. And energy. And some of it takes money already to do. Like if you went to a casino or something, you would need money to start. If you don't care about the rest of the stuff, then money isn't a bad choice...

Wouldn't take that long, regardless of income. I suppose it depends on where your save point is though; do you have to start at the beginning of each day or can you pick a particular time?

Let's assume you only have $5, I do not believe that to be an unreasonable amount. You could go watch the roulette wheel, see what it lands on, save and restart, bet that number (assuming nothing changes) and clean up.

Although the more I think about it, the more that sounds tedious - hence why I like debug mode. Just hack life and fill your bank account.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

There's no player controlling your life. Just you living it.

This wouldnt be how it works as it would make the effect non existent. Thats stupid. It would be like groundhog day except you choose which day to go back to and when you want it to happen.

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wolfy42 posted...

It's hard to spend a ton in a day, and if you save scum over more than a day, again, money is pointless.

Sure. If you want to live the same days over and over again. Most people still want to live, though. I could never really grow with my friends. Or strengthen the bond if I keep living the same dats over and over again...

wolfy42 posted...

I mean, lets just take any indian casino near you (or regular one in Nevada).

Payout on a single number in roulette is 35 to 1, so you multiply whatever you bet by 35x.

Max bet is usually 1000 though, but heck, you can talk into a casino plop down 1k on a number, win 35k and leave.

You'd be done in minutes and 35k is alot to spend in 1 day.

Youd have to make sure to win, though. Any little difference could change the winning number. Even getting there a second sooner or later...

Zenithian Legend posted...

Wouldn't take that long, regardless of income. I suppose it depends on where your save point is though; do you have to start at the beginning of each day or can you pick a particular time?

Let's assume you only have $5, I do not believe that to be an unreasonable amount. You could go watch the roulette wheel, see what it lands on, save and restart, bet that number (assuming nothing changes) and clean up.

Although the more I think about it, the more that sounds tedious - hence why I like debug mode. Just hack life and fill your bank account.

Tedious and long. While its still only a day in real time, it could take many days for the person playing. Especially since they have to keep restarted... Again, it makes sense to take the money if thats all you wanted. If you wouldnt use the save scumming for anything other than money, it would be idiotic to not just take the infinite money... Save scumming is useful if you would do other things, though... But if all you want is money, go for the infinite money. Less work, and more money. And no chance of it running out. Or you having to get more...
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Zenithian Legend posted...

Yes, but think of all the fun Bill Murray had once he accepted his fate in Groundhog Day. I voted debug mode though, seems like you could have more fun with that.

fun fact: someone needier than me calculated that he was stuck on that day for 8 years, 8 months, and 16 days

https://www.wolfgnards.com/wolf-gnards-574/

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with debug mode i could just flip a switch to make anyone love me, that cheapens reality

with infinite money i could at least pretend there's a chance they love me

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Roulette is cake.

Say you have only $35 on you.

Head to vegas, go in casino 1, walk up to roulette wheel.

Before you bet, save. Wait the 1 minute for the wheel to win and see what number will come up.
Reload, bet on that number.
Win $1000 bucks. Cash out and leave that casino.

Go to 5 more casino's betting $1000 on one number in each one and cashing out each time.

That is 35k each you win, ending up with $176k total, in less than an hour.

Deposit money in your bank and just get mega rich with stocks from then on.

Never worry about money at all again.

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wolfy42 posted...

Roulette is cake.

Say you have only $35 on you.

Head to vegas, go in casino 1, walk up to roulette wheel.

Before you bet, save. Wait the 1 minute for the wheel to win and see what number will come up.
Reload, bet on that number.
Win $1000 bucks. Cash out and leave that casino.

Go to 5 more casino's betting $1000 on one number in each one and cashing out each time.

That is 35k each you win, ending up with $176k total, in less than an hour.

Deposit money in your bank and just get mega rich with stocks from then on.

Never worry about money at all again.

Or, if youre never going to need to save scum, just take the money and be done with it. Some people dont care about the power. Some people just want the money where they dont have to waste however long it takes to do all this. Or worry about getting the right stocks and living (especially including how it could take decades to see how stock turns out). Like I said, I can understand how people who dont care about the power would choose money. Its much easier and time saving to just take the money than go through all this trouble if you dont care about save scumming to go back in time. Not everybody wants or needs that power. So, why take that power when, if all you want is money, theres a much easier and faster way to get more of it? Of course, save scumming is better if youre going to use to the power for more than just money. If not, than just take the money...
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Shrug, you can of course just take the money but you have no safety net, and the point is that you have unlimited money with save scumming with pretty much no work at all.

As far as stocks, you literally need to relive 1 week, and you'd be pretty much done forever (and of course you don't have to do the same things that week at all.

But yes your right, you can totally just take the money and live the life of a normal billionare, there is nothing different between you and them, since they effectively have unlimited money anyway.

You could also die 3 days after getting the unlimited money though.

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Muscles posted...

The problem with that is that it would with your own sense of reality, imagine what it would be like if you know almost everything about all the people you get close to after that save and have them become strangers again and again

And that could alter things unintentionally. Its hard to pretend to not know things you shouldn't sometimes. I mean even in the just how you treat them based on what you know. Like Becky was such a bitch and I tend to avoid her. Reload a previous save before I learned this but im still avoiding her and she has zero clue why and thinks im a dick for it.

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LinkPizza posted...

Some people dont care about the power. Some people just want the money

money is power

you also ignore all the other benefits of save scumming, one of which is basically immortality and infinite time, which alone defeats all the other options, would you convert 60 years of your life to 10 trillion dollars? no, so time is more valuable than money.

You also previously said winning the casino would be suspicious but having infinite money won't be suspicious? you can't really even use that without the government, IRS and criminals making you their primary target, if you're lucky and the government gets to you before the mob they'll ban or at best limit your ability greatly because you'll inflate the currency hence mess up the economy, even then though i can see a lot of backstabbing occurring from people who would want to use you for money even within the government.

At best scenerio and if you're extremely lucky you might get away with spending 400K without anyone raisng an eyebrow, that's the limit and you can easily get that with save scumming plus all the other benefits

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How is debug mode not the only option? Debug mode gets you literally all of the others and more. Exactly as much as you want. If you don't want to use some of the features...don't.

blu posted...

How is debug mode not the only option? Debug mode gets you literally all of the others and more. Exactly as much as you want. If you don't want to use some of the features...don't.

I'm not familiar with cheats because i never use them but from my understanding debug mode let's you tweak things, not change entirely, hence it won't give you infinite time, scumming is the only option which gives infinite time

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